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Portal Voting 2004-12-05 23:59:10 Reply

We would like to take this time to thank all our dedicated users who take the time to view all the entries that come into the Newgrounds Flash Portal and cast their votes, submit reviews, and help blow the whistle on Flash entries! If you would like to help out with this, all you need is a FREE NG account and head to the PORTAL.

However, we have been aware of some users abusing our system. They think it is fun to rack up the BLAM and SAVE points we award to our users who take the time to help filter through all the content. These people have been voting on entries without watching them in hopes of increasing their point totals. Well, we have news for you, we know who you are and are watching.

So know this, those users who we catch doing this will have ALL of their BLAM and SAVE points removed. If you continue we will take away experience points and possibly terminate your account all together.

We aren't telling anyone how to vote! You should vote however you feel, but you have to watch the entry before you vote on it! The people who contribute to our site work very hard on their entries (well the people who submit quality content anyway) and they don't deserve to have people casting an uninformed vote on their entry! We will do whatever we have to do to make sure our contributors get a fair and honest vote!

If you are reading this and are ashamed of the behavior of these individuals you can help by going to the Portal, watching the under judgment entries, and casting your informed vote!

Keep in mind that NO ONE will be spared. We don't care if you have 30,000 BLAM and SAVE points. If we see you cutting corners we will punish you, as you do not deserve the rewards we have given you.

If you have done this in the past, or are doing this currently, you must stop NOW. We won't go back and punish previous offenders, we will only punish users who continue this behavior from this point forward!


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:05:38 Reply

this is awesome.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:06:03 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:05 AM, MaxWasHere wrote: this is awesome.

this is scary...

*cowers*

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:06:03 Reply

well thet is just stupid. people do eork hard on their enteries and do deserve to get fair judgment. i support this decieion all the way

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:06:32 Reply

I got the 'Dont try to cheat the system' warning few days ago...Im special... :)

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:06:43 Reply

Good! I'm tired of submissions being blammed like that. Too many decent submissions get deleted that way!

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:07:41 Reply

No problem i love filtering teh PORTAl but, i dont get how having fun raking up blam/save points is bad do you meen the peopel who just blam every movie they see?


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:07:48 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:06 AM, leeder wrote: well thet is just stupid. people do eork hard on their enteries and do deserve to get fair judgment. i support this decieion all the way

Exactly. The only people who would oppose this are those who are cheating. :)


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:08:19 Reply

Basically this is against people that votes with a 5 on something just because it was made by a "peer"? (Massive voting)

And against those that vote low in something just because it was made by a "hated" artist? (Although this artist can be a well recognized member from Newgrounds)

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:08:25 Reply

Yes yes and yes. Thank you Wade and crew.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:09:37 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:07 AM, WadeFulp wrote:
At 12/6/04 12:06 AM, leeder wrote: well thet is just stupid. people do eork hard on their enteries and do deserve to get fair judgment. i support this decieion all the way
Exactly. The only people who would oppose this are those who are cheating. :)

But how would you guys know if someone was cheating?

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:09:47 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:07 AM, Assassin_ wrote: No problem i love filtering teh PORTAl but, i dont get how having fun raking up blam/save points is bad do you meen the peopel who just blam every movie they see?

They don't watch the entry. They just vote all O's, or all 5's, or they look at the author's batting average and cast a vote based on that, etc. All they want is to rack up the points as fast as possible.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:10:05 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:07 AM, WadeFulp wrote: Exactly. The only people who would oppose this are those who are cheating. :)

Yea, I pretty much stopped doing the whole blam/protect thing a while ago because of this very reason. I didn't like the fact that the ratio of horrible movies to decent ones was like 100:1 and I couldn't stand watching through all of them, so I stopped voting on UJ flash.

Maybe in a couple of months I'll start again.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:11:31 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:09 AM, Umsutfeersme wrote: But how would you guys know if someone was cheating?

Every vote is logged.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:13:06 Reply

How exactly do you plan on catching these users? I'm curious to the coding system that would catch the person, I'm sure there is a way, I'm just not familiar with it.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:13:34 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:09 AM, WadeFulp wrote:
At 12/6/04 12:07 AM, Assassin_ wrote: No problem i love filtering teh PORTAl but, i dont get how having fun raking up blam/save points is bad do you meen the peopel who just blam every movie they see?
They don't watch the entry. They just vote all O's, or all 5's, or they look at the author's batting average and cast a vote based on that, etc. All they want is to rack up the points as fast as possible.

Oh I see but, sometimes i don't even have to watch the intire movie to know what i should vote it on so will that be punished?
sorry for all the questions.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:13:43 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:09 AM, WadeFulp wrote: They don't watch the entry. They just vote all O's, or all 5's, or they look at the author's batting average and cast a vote based on that, etc. All they want is to rack up the points as fast as possible.

I'm a big B/P activist, and most of the time I actually wait for the movie to load and then vote on it before voting. However, when I view a movie which is 4.0KB and has "lol watch vote 5" in the Author's Comment Box, I tend to just give it an automatic 0 and/or blow the whistle on it, if it's incredibly stupid (like a hentai picture).

Will you tolerate this?

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:14:39 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:13 AM, swaenK wrote: How exactly do you plan on catching these users? I'm curious to the coding system that would catch the person, I'm sure there is a way, I'm just not familiar with it.

I can't give away all our secrets. :) However, it's not very hard to know who's not watching something before they vote.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:15:03 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:13 AM, swaenK wrote: How exactly do you plan on catching these users? I'm curious to the coding system that would catch the person, I'm sure there is a way, I'm just not familiar with it.

Okay, so every vote is logged. That doesn't exactly incriminate the user. Are you just looking for people who vote 0 on every single engry they vote on?


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:16:13 Reply

i got that warning thing too...and i did watch it so i dunno...i also get the error...that says that i voted on something that i ahvent voted on yet...so who knows....weird...

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:16:21 Reply

Woah this is a blast from the past :o

Man I remember when you guys made those threats back last summer, when all the changes came into effect.

Really annoying that the system still doesn't work, eh?
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well good luck with that


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:16:50 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:14 AM, WadeFulp wrote: I can't give away all our secrets. :) However, it's not very hard to know who's not watching something before they vote.

Awww I see. God damnit though, you keep responding 5 seconds before I post, and thus making me look stupid.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:16:50 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:13 AM, swaenK wrote: How exactly do you plan on catching these users? I'm curious to the coding system that would catch the person, I'm sure there is a way, I'm just not familiar with it.

I'm betting their system records every vote and assigns them to the user who voted it. I'm also sure they can check voting patterns against batting averages of the users who submitted the flash the questionable user is voting on. I wouldn't be surprised if they could cross reference every stat with what it refers to, and even ones that you guys don't know about. For ex: they could probably check every 0 vote you ever made and if it fit a certain pattern then they would know you were cheating the system.

They would also know if you were voting poorly by checking the time in between each vote. If it is like 20-30 seconds in between each vote for long periods of time the admins will surely know that you can't possibly be watching the movies you are voting on.

Even though I stopped voting/watching, it does get annoying when you can't watch a movie because it gets blammed before you get to it.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:20:00 Reply

How do you plan on informing the people who don't check the NG news? It would blow if they found out by having their point taken away wihtout knowing why.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:21:16 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:20 AM, FatherVenom wrote: How do you plan on informing the people who don't check the NG news? It would blow if they found out by having their point taken away wihtout knowing why.

It's a common sense rule that people should view a movie first before voting on it.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:22:37 Reply

can u check if someone just watched half of the entry?


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:25:59 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:20 AM, FatherVenom wrote: How do you plan on informing the people who don't check the NG news? It would blow if they found out by having their point taken away wihtout knowing why.

NG News is at the top of every spot on the BBS, and on top of that, if the people are voting improperly, then they will have it coming to them.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:32:03 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:25 AM, DarkArchon wrote: NG News is at the top of every spot on the BBS, and on top of that, if the people are voting improperly, then they will have it coming to them.

Well stated! We have warned users from doing this many times before.


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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:33:21 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:25 AM, DarkArchon wrote: NG News is at the top of every spot on the BBS, and on top of that, if the people are voting improperly, then they will have it coming to them.

And for people who don't use the BBS? If you haven't noticed there's a lot of them.

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Response to Portal Voting 2004-12-06 00:34:00 Reply

At 12/6/04 12:33 AM, FatherVenom wrote:
At 12/6/04 12:25 AM, DarkArchon wrote: NG News is at the top of every spot on the BBS, and on top of that, if the people are voting improperly, then they will have it coming to them.
And for people who don't use the BBS? If you haven't noticed there's a lot of them.

As I said, it's a common sense rule that people should view a movie first before voting on it.