Time can't be infinite before now

[poxpower]

Really. There cannot have been infinite years before now. There has to have been a beggining to time, because if there wasn't one, we would be here.

If there is infinite time before us, then it means it would take infinite time to reach this time, which is not true, since we are currently in this time.

So time can only be infinite in one way, and not the other :o

so one of tow things I imagine:

time is a loop.
time is simultaneous. Everything is happening at once

and just for fun, if God is eternal, then what is his first memory?

[RedSkunk]

At 12/5/04 12:42 AM, -poxpower- wrote: time is a loop.

BUH BUH BUT if time was a loop, then it is infinite behind us!

time is simultaneous. Everything is happening at once

Of course it's simultanerous! But that's TOTALLY beside the point!

[Ravens-Grin]

At 12/5/04 12:42 AM, -poxpower- wrote: time is a loop.

Which is what I believe. Except more along the lines of a sine wave and time being different in different places.

[poxpower]

At 12/5/04 12:44 AM, redskvnk wrote:

At 12/5/04 12:42 AM, -poxpower- wrote: time is a loop.

BUH BUH BUT if time was a loop, then it is infinite behind us!

time is simultaneous. Everything is happening at once

Of course it's simultanerous! But that's TOTALLY beside the point!

wow you're still here and still making those short pointless replies to every post in the forum :o
Are you still making those threads where you just paste a random article from the web, give the link and write "discuss" at the end?

[RedSkunk]

At 12/5/04 12:49 AM, -poxpower- wrote: Are you still making those threads where you just paste a random article from the web, give the link and write "discuss" at the end?

NOE

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 12/5/04 12:42 AM, -poxpower- wrote: Really. There cannot have been infinite years before now.

I don't see why not. Other dimensions have no standard "beginning".

There has to have been a beggining to time, because if there wasn't one, we would be here.

There's a beginning of time, of course, except it's infinitely long ago.

If there is infinite time before us, then it means it would take infinite time to reach this time, which is not true, since we are currently in this time.

Think of time as a piece of string. There are an infinite number of points on that string. Any point you choose will have an infinite number of points proceding it and an infinite number of points following it.

So time can only be infinite in one way, and not the other :o

Time is not a ray.

so one of tow things I imagine:
time is a loop.

That might be possible, although it would be impossible by your logic, since it requires an infinite amount of time before the present. There's no beginning to a loop.

time is simultaneous. Everything is happening at once

Huh? How?

and just for fun, if God is eternal, then what is his first memory?

It's an irrelavant question. An eternal God would have no first memory, as He would have no beginning.

[SteveGuzzi]

At 12/5/04 12:42 AM, -poxpower- wrote: so one of tow things I imagine:

time is a loop.

Time being cyclical as opposed to linear isn't exactly a new concept...but anyway, yeah.

time is simultaneous. Everything is happening at once

Recent Harvard studies suggest that everything IS happening all at once! omg! :O

and just for fun, if God is eternal, then what is his first memory?

"I Am That I Am"

[Demosthenez]

Ready for my reply? WHO GIVES A SHIT. We will never know the truth of time and this is just pointless word games and philosophy (is it considered philosophy?) bullshit.

[poxpower]

At 12/5/04 12:59 AM, 12-21-2012 wrote:

Time being cyclical as opposed to linear isn't exactly a new concept...but anyway, yeah.

so, I came up with it on my own, so that's worth something, right?

Recent Harvard studies suggest that everything IS happening all at once! omg! :O

Wow they could have just asked me.

At 12/5/04 01:04 AM, FAB0L0US wrote: Ready for my reply? WHO GIVES A SHIT. We will never know the truth of time and this is just pointless word games and philosophy (is it considered philosophy?) bullshit.

I don't give a shit, its just for fun.
What the hell are you even doing in this thread??

[Ted-Easton]

I subscribe to the idea that all points in time exist simultaneously. It's the only way time-travel would be possible, but that argument always loops and leaves me with a headache.

[ursamajour]

At 12/5/04 01:07 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: I subscribe to the idea that all points in time exist simultaneously. It's the only way time-travel would be possible, but that argument always loops and leaves me with a headache.

Ditto. Time is non-linear. Movement along a single "line" in only one direction is perceived merely because we lack the ability to perceive it any other way. I believe space is that way too. Everything and everytime is all in the same "point."

[AntiangelicAngel]

Time is meaningless... it's measured in a random incriments created by man.

[poxpower]

At 12/5/04 01:19 AM, AntiangelicAngel wrote: Time is meaningless... it's measured in a random incriments created by man.

I'm not talking about the measurement of time, I'm talking about the phenomenon of time, which allowes things to move.
:o
You know, like allows you to not be in point A and B at the same time? Like, at one point, you were at A, and then you're at B and no longer at A? I can't really explain that without time.
if you can, feel free to tell me :o

[Maus]

At 12/5/04 12:42 AM, -poxpower- wrote: time is a loop.
time is simultaneous. Everything is happening at once

That is infinite. Google. And i mean the shape.

and just for fun, if God is eternal, then what is his first memory?

There is no first memory. If time is infinite.

[poxpower]

At 12/5/04 01:45 AM, Maus wrote:

That is infinite. Google. And i mean the shape.

Yes could be.
But in that case, there are infinite nows as well. Not just one now, which makes stuff like "reincarnation" seem plausible. Maybe you just live your own life over and over.
:o

[Maus]

At 12/5/04 02:06 AM, -poxpower- wrote: Yes could be.
But in that case, there are infinite nows as well. Not just one now, which makes stuff like "reincarnation" seem plausible. Maybe you just live your own life over and over.

o

I NOHE. It totally fucks me up sometimes. Then, I ground myself in SCIENCE, and I realise that reincarnation is genetic echoes.

Woah.

We carry our history in our genes.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 12/5/04 02:06 AM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 12/5/04 01:45 AM, Maus wrote:

That is infinite. Google. And i mean the shape.

Yes could be.
But in that case, there are infinite nows as well. Not just one now, which makes stuff like "reincarnation" seem plausible. Maybe you just live your own life over and over.

o

Not necessarily. There's an infinite number of ways that the universe could be arranged at this instant. Unbelievably, the odds are just as good that every single point in time are different in at least some form or fashion as they are that the state of the universe is exactly the same at several points in time.

[Alias-Longhorn123]

The concept "Time" is simply a never-ending series of change. Thus if nothing changes there is no time... so Time is change and change cannot go in a Loop but only progress, yet changed can be reversed at the cost of further progression of time ( I drop a ball then I pick it up again, i am back where i started ) .. So we cannot travel backwards....

Why do people have to make things so confusing ??

[poxpower]

At 12/5/04 02:11 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

Not necessarily.

well that's why I say "maybe". You have to admit that at this point, the loop theory makes more sense than the linear one, but hey, not sure its right.

And I don't think we're talking about the same thing. You're talking about the Universe's possibilities and how the Universe can be arranged in an infinite amount of ways ( assuming it is infinite, of course), but that's parralel/ alternate universes.
But if you say that Time in each universe is a loop or an "8", then yes, there could be infinite nows that are the exact same now as now, with everything everywhere being the exact same :o

[poxpower]

At 12/5/04 02:12 AM, Alias_Longhorn123 wrote: So we cannot travel backwards....

well if time is a loop, then we only need to travel forwards to reach any point on the loop.

Why do people have to make things so confusing ??

you explained it pretty well :p

[TheloniousMONK]

String theory offers an interesting explanation to this problem. Since seven of the physical dimensions are wound up very small, then it stands to reason the other three physical dimensions are the same way, but far larger, beyond current technology's sight. Why not take it one step further? Perhaps time, being the eleventh dimension, is curled up as well.

Such an implication has some very obvious consequences on nature. So, perhaps time is a giant loop. It is therefore impossible to say when the start was. Also, since special relativity makes a compelling case for the possibility of time travel, one could even travel back in time by traveling forward in time.

You get the picture.

[Alias-Longhorn123]

Once more -poxpower- you are not quite grasping what I have said...

You must also take into account that time is a form of measurement so it is a dimension ... but a unique dimension because it cannot be altered or changed... It is measured in the form of Minutes/Hours/Days/ and what-not
perhaps the most characteristic property of matter...

This property of matter is used to measure progression or change upon that object in relavance to the Universe ... so all things are moving at the same speed in time ( even if you were able to reverse time, you would not be able to stop it.. and theoretically if you were able to it would result in a paradox and the god knows what... )

So time is measuring the progress of change (ie: Frames ( changed) per second... the time property of Movies that gives the realistic effectthat mimics motion and vaguely CHANGE )

I hope you understand.....

[poxpower]

At 12/5/04 02:32 AM, Thelonius wrote:
You get the picture.

yes, since I already said all of that before you posted :o

At 12/5/04 02:35 AM, Alias_Longhorn123 wrote:

I hope you understand.....

not really. You just said that time is change. Which I agree with. O.o And then said that if time was in a loop, we could move forward in it and effectively end up backwards, like if traveling along the equator on earth, as time DOES NOT always move at the same speed. That's a proven fact, sorry.

[TheloniousMONK]

At 12/5/04 02:43 AM, -poxpower- wrote: yes, since I already said all of that before you posted :o

Yeah, but I said it without all the intertwined bullshit.

[Alias-Longhorn123]

At 12/5/04 02:43 AM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 12/5/04 02:32 AM, Thelonius wrote:
You get the picture.

yes, since I already said all of that before you posted :o

At 12/5/04 02:35 AM, Alias_Longhorn123 wrote:

I hope you understand.....

not really. You just said that time is change. Which I agree with. O.o And then said that if time was in a loop, we could move forward in it and effectively end up backwards, like if traveling along the equator on earth, as time DOES NOT always move at the same speed. That's a proven fact, sorry.

What I had said is that Time is progressing change ... This "change" is slightly different from time because it is a the result of time in the next bit of time ( follow ?? ) So that when travelling back in time you have to reassure everything goes the way it is supposed to ... So you reassure that the other "you" travels back in time when you get back or WHAM the system is corrupted and then it (theoretically) is destroyed ...

Time is not a loop , but a natural progress of matter through stages.. these after-effect of time can be reversed ( Change ) , but time itself cannot!

Like when I drop a ball then I pick it up.. The change is reversed but time had steadily gone forward...

What is possible ( yet extremely improbable ) if you were to reverse all the change in the Universe so it will be as it was billions of years ago before the big bang...

[poxpower]

At 12/5/04 02:51 AM, Alias_Longhorn123 wrote: stuff

we're not talking about the same thing dude.
You are talking about parralel Universes and you are assuming that time moves only one-way on a linear model.
which I don't think is most logical.

but anyways.

[TheShrike]

Time is a periodical.

[Alias-Longhorn123]

At 12/5/04 03:08 AM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 12/5/04 02:51 AM, Alias_Longhorn123 wrote: stuff

we're not talking about the same thing dude.
You are talking about parralel Universes and you are assuming that time moves only one-way on a linear model.

When did I even say the word : Parallel Universes ( Besides Now )

And yes time does move on a one-way model but the results of time can be changed so it is illusioned as if nothing has happened at all..

[poxpower]

At 12/5/04 03:09 AM, TheShrike wrote: Time is a periodical.

no, YOU'RE periodical

>:(((((((((((((((

[Alias-Longhorn123]

At 12/5/04 03:21 AM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 12/5/04 03:09 AM, TheShrike wrote: Time is a periodical.

no, YOU'RE periodical

>:(((((((((((((((

LMAO!!

no you're ">:((((((((((((((("

BURN !!