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Hello, Im guessing most of you are from USA right? So you could give me your views on this question. The reason im putting it up is due to the following facts:

1) Because of Bushes economical plans and warfare USA will have a foreign debt of 3000 billion dollars over the next ten years

2) Since Bush was reelected the dollar has devaluated by more than 16% and its still loosing value, this is not just an economic thing, its also an imortant mental factor. (also considering the Euro is alot higher than the dollar now)

3) The Israel Palestinian conflict has never been worse due to failed foreign politics. The Arabian hatred towards USA is larger than ever.

4) After the disaster in Iraq hostile countries have begun insulting USA openly in the UN. Iran, Northkorea and many more have begun constructing weapons of mass destruction openly. They do no longer feel that USA has economic, diplomatic or military means to step in.

5) The relationship between Europe and USA is colder than ever. In Denmark and many other countries people are banning American goods, movies and products, and politicians here dont take Bush serious, they see him as a degenerate (not stating oppinions this is facts!)

I would say you picked the wrong president.

At 12/1/04 06:03 PM, Willsphermalothohnyu wrote: Hello, Im guessing most of you are from USA right? So you could give me your views on this question. The reason im putting it up is due to the following facts:

1) Because of Bushes economical plans and warfare USA will have a foreign debt of 3000 billion dollars over the next ten years

Actually, I may be wrong but is this not the current US debt. I heard they just passed a bill allowing them to go to 8 trillion dollars. Interesting fact, the debt of all of Africa is like 300 billion. The IMF is even upset at the US, but their hands are tied as long as the US pays the interest on its debt. Imagine if the US had to go through strucural adjustment programs?

2) Since Bush was reelected the dollar has devaluated by more than 16% and its still loosing value, this is not just an economic thing, its also an imortant mental factor. (also considering the Euro is alot higher than the dollar now)

The Canadian dollar is now at 87 cents US too, up from like 60soemthing.

3) The Israel Palestinian conflict has never been worse due to failed foreign politics. The Arabian hatred towards USA is larger than ever.

Or Yassar Arfat dying.

4) After the disaster in Iraq hostile countries have begun insulting USA openly in the UN. Iran, Northkorea and many more have begun constructing weapons of mass destruction openly. They do no longer feel that USA has economic, diplomatic or military means to step in.

Or because they already look lie fucking assholes.

5) The relationship between Europe and USA is colder than ever. In Denmark and many other countries people are banning American goods, movies and products, and politicians here dont take Bush serious, they see him as a degenerate (not stating oppinions this is facts!)

Nobody takes him serioulsy anymore.

I would say you picked the wrong president.

No, Germany picked the wrong leader in the 1930's. Even if you picked Kerry, there is no way he could elimate the debt, raise the currency value, mend all relationships and end the fighting in the middle east which has been going on since the dawn of man. Hopwever the US will falla s a superpower, all superpowers do.

I see the USA being a superpower in ten years, although It wont be as big of one as it is today, and there will be MUCH more competition. India and China have huge potential, it's just a matter of time.

It's not right to say nobody respects Bush any more, he was reelected after all, but being from New England, most educated people I know voted for Kerry. (I'm not pro-Kerry, just anti-Bush)

What I hate, though, is the countries who are ignorant enough to slander the US and it's people. Only half the country voted for that man. A good majority of us truly hate him. Other people need to listen to both sides of the story before making a choice.

Just my two cents.

Just you know, more people voted for Bush than for Hitler.

usa superpower ten years?

Yes.

At 12/1/04 06:39 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: Just you know, more people voted for Bush than for Hitler.

As a percentage of the total voting populace?

The US won't always be a superpower, but this isn't going to happen quickly (ie 10 yrs).

Suuure, they'll be a superpower, but like hbr11889 said, there will be more competition, and other countries will openly show their distaste for the US. But by then Jeb should be in his second year as POTUS and trying his hardest to destroy the Axis of Evil, which by then will have grown drastically.

At 12/1/04 06:45 PM, redskvnk wrote:

usa superpower ten years?

Yes.

At 12/1/04 06:39 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: Just you know, more people voted for Bush than for Hitler.

As a percentage of the total voting populace?

Both, only 37% of the German pop voted for Hitler, or something liek 30 million votes.

At 12/1/04 07:09 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: Both, only 37% of the German pop voted for Hitler, or something liek 30 million votes.

But only ~30% voted for Bush..

At 12/1/04 07:10 PM, redskvnk wrote:

At 12/1/04 07:09 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: Both, only 37% of the German pop voted for Hitler, or something liek 30 million votes.

But only ~30% voted for Bush..

Ummm....2004 he won popular vote (51%) and last election was (49.8%)

At 12/1/04 07:31 PM, commanderkai wrote: Ummm....2004 he won popular vote (51%) and last election was (49.8%)

Only ~60% of the electorate voted in 2004. Do the math, numbnuts.

Maybe not ten years, but I'd say pretty soon.

At 12/1/04 07:36 PM, redskvnk wrote:

Only ~60% of the electorate voted in 2004. Do the math, numbnuts.

Of the people who DID vote, Bush did win popular vote, so don't whine

At 12/1/04 08:13 PM, commanderkai wrote: Of the people who DID vote, Bush did win popular vote, so don't whine

I was talking about the total voting populace. Go away if you can't keep up on the thread.

At 12/1/04 08:19 PM, BarferPro wrote: We got the oil.

HA! The middle east has the oil!

At 12/1/04 10:36 PM, Tal-con wrote:

At 12/1/04 06:22 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote:

1) Because of Bushes economical plans and warfare USA will have a foreign debt of 3000 billion dollars over the next ten years

Actually, I may be wrong but is this not the current US debt.

Can you see that? He wrote "over the next ten years"

US debt by 2014 $2.3 trillion in new foriegn debt, and as much as $3.6 trillion if Bush re-news tax cuts in 2011. Add to that the money owned to the citizens in the form of Treasury bonds from $4.3 trillion this year to nearly $6.8 trillion in 2014.

US debt minimum projected
$3.0 trillion current
$6.8 trillion for bonds
$2.3 in new debt
=$12.1 trillion, the debt of all of Africa is $200 billion currently, even if you add in Asias debt you still probally are not breaking the $1 trillion mark.

At 12/1/04 06:03 PM, Willsphermalothohnyu wrote: Hello, Im guessing most of you are from USA right? So you could give me your views on this question. The reason im putting it up is due to the following facts:

1) Because of Bushes economical plans and warfare USA will have a foreign debt of 3000 billion dollars over the next ten years

Yeah, that sucks

2) Since Bush was reelected the dollar has devaluated by more than 16% and its still loosing value, this is not just an economic thing, its also an imortant mental factor. (also considering the Euro is alot higher than the dollar now)

I dont understand the hype about this. By my thinking, wouldnt this discourage importing and encourage more jobs at home and exporting? Not an economics major, so please set me straight.

3) The Israel Palestinian conflict has never been worse due to failed foreign politics. The Arabian hatred towards USA is larger than ever.

And this is just Americas fault. Bull fucking shit. What has the US done that made the terrorists decide to attack WTC? Pentagon? Any terrorist action in the past 10 years? Europe has treated muslims worse than America in my opinion so it really escapes me why we have been singled out.

4) After the disaster in Iraq hostile countries have begun insulting USA openly in the UN. Iran, Northkorea and many more have begun constructing weapons of mass destruction openly. They do no longer feel that USA has economic, diplomatic or military means to step in.

Just watch, Iran will be a. be bombed by Israel to prevent Nukes being made b. Regime will have a coup tried fairly quickly, in my opinion. And N. Korea I dont fear nearly as much because the way their economy is going, half the population will starve to death fairly soon, if no action is taken. And the US could step in, but Bush is to fuckin stupid to do anything except scream "SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS."

5) The relationship between Europe and USA is colder than ever. In Denmark and many other countries people are banning American goods, movies and products, and politicians here dont take Bush serious, they see him as a degenerate (not stating oppinions this is facts!)

Ahh, I dont care. What does America export anyway? Like food? Who fuckin cares. And i.e. politicans in Europe arent taken seriously here because, seriously, what are they gonna do? Stop buying Wisconsin cheese? Threaten us with embargos? Also, who takes politicans from other countries seriously? No one. Who fuckin cares about what someone from somewhere else thinks is what everyone would say. At least honest people.

I would say you picked the wrong president.

Yeah. But there was no right President. Kerry woulda sucked ass also. McCain or something shoulda ran as a Democrat or Independent. He so woulda been a good Prez. But he aint a party man and will never pass the primaries. But Bush definately sucks.

Call me stupid, but I dont care. And who knows what the US will be in 10 years? Do I look like a genie or some future reader? We have guesses, educated guesses, but little more.

At 12/1/04 08:17 PM, redskvnk wrote:

At 12/1/04 08:13 PM, commanderkai wrote: Of the people who DID vote, Bush did win popular vote, so don't whine

I was talking about the total voting populace. Go away if you can't keep up on the thread.

Yeah exactly my point. out of the 60% of people who DID vote, Bush won, so don't whine to us, whine to the 40% of Americans (who I bet are democrats, yet we're never going to know) who didn't vote on election day.

At 12/2/04 07:42 PM, commanderkai wrote: Yeah exactly my point. out of the 60% of people who DID vote, Bush won, so don't whine to us,

I wasn't whining, my feeble friend. I was correcting what someone else had incorrectly said. Then you came by and spouted off ignorantly.

At 12/1/04 06:03 PM, Willsphermalothohnyu wrote: I would say you picked the wrong president.

Based on your facts, I would agree. Then again, it would have also been hard as hell for John Kerry to do things any different. An economical recovery would be a slow and painful process that would take about... 10 years, not to mention a new administration and re-strengthened international ties.

The number one thing that I think is hurting the U.S. currently is it's international ties. The world views the current U.S. administration and almost anything U.S. related as a bad thing, sad part is for the first four years, the Bush administration didn't seem to care. Let's hope things change in the 2nd term... *crosses fingers* Bush needs to realize just how important getting along with other countries is.

At 12/2/04 08:47 PM, EnragedSephiroth wrote: The number one thing that I think is hurting the U.S. currently is it's international ties.

B fucking S dude. The biggest problem by far is economics. These include trade defecit, debt of all sorts, Asia proping up dollar, impending SS, Medicare, Medicade problem among other things. Number two is fundamentalist terrorists hating America. And this has little to do with international ties. If we had super alliances there would still be terrorists. We just need to wean ourselves from oil. But hell, thatll never happen because fuck, that would be thinking forward and ignoring the oil lobby, which will never happen no matter who is President.

well to the post here will America be a superpower the answer is yes. here why:
1. we have the best miltary in the world.
think about it,U think in in ten short years that thats going to change? we just uped there $$$$ too.

2. We have nukes
that alone will keep us a major world power it always has. Nukes stop non-nuclear countires from ever coming to major world power.

3. we have a UN Veto
this gives us alot of policy clout on the world level.

10 years is not enough to change all this.

) Because of Bushes economical plans and warfare USA will have a foreign debt of 3000 billion dollars over the next ten years
We pull in 6 trillion a year so to our income that isnt much

2) Since Bush was reelected the dollar has devaluated by more than 16% and its still loosing value, this is not just an economic thing, its also an imortant mental factor. (also considering the Euro is alot higher than the dollar now)

We want it to be devalued so we can sell and buy things over seas for cheap

) The Israel Palestinian conflict has never been worse due to failed foreign politics. The Arabian hatred towards USA is larger than ever.

this is very true and we wont be out of iraq for 10-15 years

) After the disaster in Iraq hostile countries have begun insulting USA openly in the UN. Iran, Northkorea and many more have begun constructing weapons of mass destruction openly. They do no longer feel that USA has economic, diplomatic or military means to step in.

Very true but we do need to do somin about it we cant be little bitches about war and out safety

5) The relationship between Europe and USA is colder than ever. In Denmark and many other countries people are banning American goods, movies and products, and politicians here dont take Bush serious, they see him as a degenerate (not stating oppinions this is facts!)

This is also a very true thing but they have been slowly hating us for years now

I would say you picked the wrong president.
I would say kerry had o message

At 12/1/04 06:59 PM, TheShrike wrote: The US won't always be a superpower, but this isn't going to happen quickly (ie 10 yrs).

We've been a super power for 300 some-odd years.
There is no country on earth that could take us down.
So why are we not going to be a super-power later?

As long as we're united (Forget the other leftists outside the U.S. ticked off) we will stand as a super power.

We have overcame big wars like Us against Britain. had the French and Indian war not happened, the Brits wouldn't had been so weak and we wouldn't be able to beat them.

There were wars like Lincoln and the north against the south in the Civil War.

The US saved the world's butt in WWII.
We survived WWI too.

It would take God to take us down. And I don't know why he'd do it. The facts also are that a country cannot control another far-far-away, hence, world dominiation is highly unlikely without revolts.

Why would we go down?

At 12/2/04 08:57 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 12/2/04 08:47 PM, EnragedSephiroth wrote: The number one thing that I think is hurting the U.S. currently is it's international ties.

B fucking S dude. The biggest problem by far is economics. These include trade defecit, debt of all sorts, Asia proping up dollar, impending SS, Medicare, Medicade problem among other things. Number two is fundamentalist terrorists hating America. And this has little to do with international ties. If we had super alliances there would still be terrorists. We just need to wean ourselves from oil. But hell, thatll never happen because fuck, that would be thinking forward and ignoring the oil lobby, which will never happen no matter who is President.

If I were to draw out your argument like a graph, it wouldn't make any sense, not to mention, it's invalid because not all of your premises support your conclusion(s).

I will show you how you just proved me right, by showing that economics is causing the U.S. problems, due to bad international ties.

The trade deficit: Wasn't it just posted in this topic (in the beginning) that many countries are now reluctant to trade with the U.S? Isn't that because of bad ties? It certainly isn't because we're their best friends, I'll tell you that much.

Terrorism: The number one reason terrorist leaders hate us, is because we wrecked their countries. You can hear Osama Bin Laden's recordings, and other terrorist leaders telling the U.S. to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. How did we mess up their countries? With sanctions and cutting off their vital supplies such as medicine and some foods. Why did we take such things away from them and limit their trades with other countries? It isn't because we have strong ties with them, that's for sure.

"If we had super alliances there would still be terrorists." This is a very questionable basic premise, I don't know where you got it from, and frankly I don't care, all I know is it puts a massive dent in your argument.

"We need to wean ourselves from oil" yes, very true, I agree with you, I think the oil issue is what has screwed up our international ties with middle-eastern countries, and one of the main reasons terrorists hate us so much presently.

Of course, I'm not saying that I'm right in this argument either (at least not absolutely right, but perhaps partialy) because there is more than one way to skin a cat, in other words, there's more than one way to fix things.

At 12/1/04 06:39 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: Just you know, more people voted for Bush than for Hitler.

With a population far bigger than the German population its hardly a surprise. Plus was Hitler voted in? I cant remember what happenned, im sure there was some funny business of soem kind. It didnt matter anyway, the Germans loved him, his propaganda machine made the Germans proud again, but I hate that wanker; he destroyed the British empire.

At 12/3/04 08:47 PM, drDAK wrote: We've been a super power for 300 some-odd years.

A super power for 300 hundred years huh, just out of curiosity, how old is your country in general?

:The US saved the world's butt in WWII.

That statement doesnt say anything about you being a superpower, it just proves your ignorant, and errogant.

It would take God to take us down. And I don't know why he'd do it.

Maybe because you have wiped more of his creations from the face of the earth than any other modern country.

Why would we go down?

Because you have the most enemies? Just a guess.

At 12/4/04 09:07 AM, bcdemon wrote:
A super power for 300 hundred years huh, just out of curiosity, how old is your country in general?

Real old (Not really, 300 years). Younger than Britain, becuase we beat 'em up to win Independance in 1776 or some-odd year.

That statement doesnt say anything about you being a superpower, it just proves your ignorant, and errogant.

It is real obvious that you're not the smartest guy in your country. Anyways, it proves more than taht: You are a jack ass.

Maybe because you have wiped more of his creations from the face of the earth than any other modern country.

HA! Are you stupid? Yes, you are pretty ignorant and have nothing to say. Thne United States is in the War on Terrorism and we have deicated the future years of this country to fighting the people who attacked us on 9/11.
Maybe you didn't get that?
Are you in a cave with no technology besides a video creator?
Bin-Laden perhaps?

Because you have the most enemies? Just a guess.

Our enemies do not have a chance against us. We kicked the Taliban and Saddam out of power. Who hates us that can come close to kicking our butts?

Okay, Dcdemon, the docter's dosage is to lay off being with other conspiracy therorists for a while. Since ignorance is probably your BEST asset, I suggest you work at the Garbage dump for a while, being the garbage. Learn something before you come onto the BBS.

At 12/4/04 09:29 AM, drDAK wrote:

nothing worth repeating.

Hold on there skippy, you (USA) didnt save the worlds ass(WW2), you HELPED save europe, get it HELPED. Big difference. HUGE actually.

And oh my, are you ever wacked, I explained why god "might" want to hurt USA, and you come up with some BS about fighting the war on terror. LMAO you sound like Bush, answer everything with the war on terror.

One more thing, If USA is so dedicated to fighting the war on terror, then why is USA going to have 150,000 of its troops in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? To let you in on a small secret(not to small, your the only one who missed it) Your fight on terror has about 18,000 troops lookin for the guy who caused 9/11. Can you see a difference in importance here?

18,000 = war on terror
150,000 = invasion/occupation on Iraq

And boy oh boy, if you thought Saddam and the Taliban are your worst enemies in the world, you are sadly mistaken, or just ignorant. I believe you to be ignorant.

At 12/4/04 09:48 AM, bcdemon wrote:
Hold on there skippy, you (USA) didnt save the worlds ass(WW2), you HELPED save europe, get it HELPED. Big difference. HUGE actually.

Okay, where are you from? Hum..... hell? possibly. Iraq? No, people like us over there. Um........ Oh! how about from "I don't know what the hell I'm talking about" and "I don't know how to work the BBS" worlds.

And oh my, are you ever wacked, I explained why god "might" want to hurt USA, and you come up with some BS about fighting the war on terror. LMAO you sound like Bush, answer everything with the war on terror.

Thanks, I like Bush. And you sound like my toilet when it gets clogged.

One more thing, If USA is so dedicated to fighting the war on terror, then why is USA going to have 150,000 of its troops in Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? To let you in on a small secret(not to small, your the only one who missed it) Your fight on terror has about 18,000 troops lookin for the guy who caused 9/11. Can you see a difference in importance here?

Um...... where the hell have you been? Iraq is not RELATED to the WTC but is RELATED to the War on Terror. Think! Cogito! Cogitas non!

And I'm not the only right-wing in this country. there's millions. Try 51% of the US's population. Also, 13% of both Republicans and Democrats showed up to the polls on Nov. 2. So, most the independants went to Bush. We know our leader. You do not.

18,000 = war on terror
150,000 = invasion/occupation on Iraq

There is casualties and money to be spent in every war, stupid. Oh, and calling someone ignorant for having different beliefs than yourself is ignorance itself.

And boy oh boy, if you thought Saddam and the Taliban are your worst enemies in the world, you are sadly mistaken, or just ignorant. I believe you to be ignorant.

You obviously no nothing about US politics or politics of the sort. You spit out a bunch of crap that only can be satisfied by dumping in the BBS.