God

[Slizor]

Now not meaning to offend anyone but if god exists he is a ba$terd.
Why do people insist on having blind faith in something? Then there are the america chistainity things, now that is just crazy, those people going I can see god, I mean what the fuck is that about?

[Pantomime-Horse]

At 4/1/01 08:50 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Now not meaning to offend anyone but if god exists he is a ba$terd.
Why do people insist on having blind faith in something?

People like to think that someone else is responsible for their actions, like to think that life, death & the world are all part of a pre-made plan.

[shorbe]

Many of these same criticisms can be levelled at science, and any political or philosophical ideology. It's important not to get too smug in one's own dogma.

shorbe

[Shrapnel]

At 4/2/01 04:32 AM, shorbe wrote: Many of these same criticisms can be levelled at science, and any political or philosophical ideology. It's important not to get too smug in one's own dogma.

Science isn't a dogma...

It's not unchanging and stubborn.
It is unbiased...

I'm not sure why the term "science" has become an institution or how it recieved such a bad reputation.

[Freakapotimus]

Blind faith in anything is a tad presumptuous, I don't believe in something (science, god, philosophy, math, etc) without having some type of evidence. I was talking with my mother not that long ago about religion (she wants me to get married in the Catholic Church, bah!) and she actually said to me: "You know what your problem is? You ask too many questions. Why can't you just have faith?" Well, because some things just don't seem plausible to me.

On the other hand, sometimes you may just have to believe something that you really have no supporting evidence, simple matters that occur everyday, such as waking up and going to work in the morning. You have faith that 1) your work still has a building for you to go to, 2) you are still employed there, 3) there will be work for you to do. We make assumptions like this everyday, but aren't outwardly aware of it.

Some people also use other's experiences with god to lable their own beliefs. Just because one faith worked for someone else doesn't mean that it will work for you. Some people go to church or synagogue with their parents only because they want to stay with their parents' religion. My grandparents are faithful Catholics, and although I admire and respect them, I do not follow their religion.

[Slizor]

At 4/2/01 10:24 AM, Freakapotimus wrote: Blind faith in anything is a tad presumptuous, I don't believe in something (science, god, philosophy, math, etc) without having some type of evidence.

On the other hand, sometimes you may just have to believe something that you really have no supporting evidence, simple matters that occur everyday, such as waking up and going to work in the morning. You have faith that 1) your work still has a building for you to go to, 2) you are still employed there, 3) there will be work for you to do. We make assumptions like this everyday, but aren't outwardly aware of it.

But the evidence for these things it that they where like that when you last left. That ain't blind faith, thats just beliveing something because it was like that before.

[Perdix]

At 4/1/01 08:50 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Now not meaning to offend anyone but if god exists he is a ba$terd.

I will assume you are saying this as a statement on the common theme "If god exists why does god allow such terrible things to happen" or to the belief that god causes these terrible things to happen.
This argument is based on the assumption that the problems that people have that the problems in their life are important on a greater scale. They are not, it does not matter (from a wider perspective) if you lose your job, your mother becomes brain-damaged, or if you can't find a girlfriend. Every difficulty that everyone has ever faced is the direct result of people.

Why do people insist on having blind faith in something? Then there are the america chistainity things, now that is just crazy, those people going I can see god, I mean what the fuck is that about?

People do this because they need to believe in a higher power (and seem good in the higher power's eyes) so they adapt their perspective so that they are therefore seen to this universal authority the same way they see themselves, it is a product of human weakness.

[Freakapotimus]

At 4/2/01 10:43 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: But the evidence for these things it that they where like that when you last left. That ain't blind faith, thats just beliveing something because it was like that before.

I didn't say those were examples of blind faith, just faith. You're right, and shows my point that although you don't know if those things are true, you have faith because there has been past evidence.

[Slizor]

So basically what you're saying is that people have free will. If god gave people free will, why has he let it be taken away?

People don't need to belive in something controlling them, I sure don't, I don't want it and I don't need it.
Question: I am not an example of a human?

[Perdix]

At 4/2/01 02:50 PM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: So basically what you're saying is that people have free will. If god gave people free will, why has he let it be taken away?

I never said that he let it be taken away, I never even said I believed in god.

People don't need to belive in something controlling them, I sure don't, I don't want it and I don't need it.
Question: I am not an example of a human?

I was thinking in terms of general human nature, you are referring to absoloute human nature. Most people are morons and most people need something to follow, often that is the church, through which they "follow" god, sometimes it is a god they "found" through themselves, and sometimes it is theirself.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

Some people have been taught the same thing for years and years, and they are afraid to question. They think they will all go to Hell if they question God's methods in the bible, or any of the church's teachings. What I say if "If you don't question, how will you find the answers?" You can believe in God and still believe in evolution! Hell, you can believe in reincarnation if you want, I do. The thing is, people are funny about religion. So called "Pro-Life" people are out right now bombing abortion clinics, in the name of God! If God is a god of mercy and compassion, some of his followers are dumb as hell!!!(No pun intended!) Another example, the war in the Middle East! It's all over religion! Bottom line: believe what you feel is right, even athiests have beliefs!

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

You have the right idea. But the problem is, there are too many questions to ask. Then again, there's not enough answers to supply half those questions. There are times when faith is not as simple as it seems. I know a number of good catholics... and even some prostestants who are pro-choice. Final word: It's okay to question one's faith, although faith in general is not a bad thing. Blind faith is, however, dumb. Since God has never (recently at least) come down and said "Yo!" we are constantly guess at who he is. There may even be more than one god! (Like the Pagans) In the end, it's not what you believe, it's how you practice it. Someone once said "The Bible can be summed up in two words: "Be Good". (Wow, not bad for a guy who sleeps in on Sundays!)

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

My bad... the last message was ment for Freakapotimus, or a response to her message about God. By the way, it's suppose to be "guessing who he is..." Plus God can be a she. Look, I'm very opinionated about this topic... so fuck off if you have a problem with it!

[Freakapotimus]

At 4/3/01 04:38 PM, GameboyCC wrote: My bad... the last message was ment for Freakapotimus, or a response to her message about God. By the way, it's suppose to be "guessing who he is..." Plus God can be a she.

Yup, I got the right idea ;) I also don't have blind faith, which is why I'm searching/learning/whatever. Who said spirituality can't be a scientific process?

[D2Kvirus]

At 4/1/01 08:50 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Now not meaning to offend anyone but if god exists he is a ba$terd.
Why do people insist on having blind faith in something? Then there are the america chistainity things, now that is just crazy, those people going I can see god, I mean what the fuck is that about?

Easy. People are stupid. They find it impossible to make up their own minds, so follow the nearest convenient flock.

It's writte: Individuality is a disability.
Didn't work when I put that on my CV, though...

[KingOfTheBBS]

At 4/1/01 08:50 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Now not meaning to offend anyone but if god exists he is a ba$terd.
Why do people insist on having blind faith in something? Then there are the america chistainity things, now that is just crazy, those people going I can see god, I mean what the fuck is that about?

That's why I'm Buddhist!

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 4/4/01 10:10 AM, Freakapotimus wrote: Yup, I got the right idea ;) I also don't have blind faith, which is why I'm searching/learning/whatever. Who said spirituality can't be a scientific process?

No one I know of... I sorta figured you didn't have blind faith to begin with. That's a good thing!:-)

[Mos]

At 4/1/01 08:50 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Now not meaning to offend anyone but if god exists he is a ba$terd.
Why do people insist on having blind faith in something? Then there are the america chistainity things, now that is just crazy, those people going I can see god, I mean what the fuck is that about?

NO MORE GOD THREADS!
Suddenly, every single forum on the Internet has been assualted by these God threads! Cut it out, you morons.

[Slizor]

NO MORE GOD THREADS!
Suddenly, every single forum on the Internet has been assualted by these God threads! Cut it out, you morons.

Now I certinly do not consider questioning something of authority as moronic, although ignorance could cloud other peoples judgement.

[Mos]

At 4/6/01 11:33 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote:

NO MORE GOD THREADS!
Suddenly, every single forum on the Internet has been assualted by these God threads! Cut it out, you morons.

Now I certinly do not consider questioning something of authority as moronic, although ignorance could cloud other peoples judgement.

Listen, the question is not answerable. There is no way to prove that there is no God, and there is no way to prove that there is one. So, enough is enough.

[Slizor]

Listen, the question is not answerable. There is no way to prove that there is no God, and there is no way to prove that there is one. So, enough is enough.

I do not doubt the impossiblity of proving there is/isn't a god, but however we can still question the existance of god

[Mos]

At 4/7/01 05:56 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote:

Listen, the question is not answerable. There is no way to prove that there is no God, and there is no way to prove that there is one. So, enough is enough.

I do not doubt the impossiblity of proving there is/isn't a god, but however we can still question the existance of god

You don't need a thread to do that.

[eggatron]

Religion is just a control method dreamt up years ago, its an out of control noogie man. It's now 7:30am I'm going to bed.

[Slizor]

You don't need a thread to do that.

Why ever not?

[Morextremist]

Religion is just another way of limiting societies downfall. Every country who has debauchery running rampant has a great time, so they invented a way to stop having fun, religion. Think about it, spiritual laws condemn sex before marriage and such. I won't be surprised when anarchy comes into play

[Freakapotimus]

At 4/9/01 09:12 AM, Morextremist wrote: Religion is just another way of limiting societies downfall. Every country who has debauchery running rampant has a great time, so they invented a way to stop having fun, religion. Think about it, spiritual laws condemn sex before marriage and such. I won't be surprised when anarchy comes into play

No where in any of the spiritual "laws" I follow does it tell me not to have sex before marriage. Actually, the sexual act itself is considered very spiritual. No wonder orgasms used to be called "little deaths."

[Slizor]

No where in any of the spiritual "laws" I follow does it tell me not to have sex before marriage. Actually, the sexual act itself is considered very spiritual. No wonder orgasms used to be called "little deaths."

Little deaths? Strange. Anyway what relgion would that be?

[Freakapotimus]

At 4/9/01 11:32 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Little deaths? Strange.

Yup. I also believe that Shakespear also used the term "death" when he wrote of orgasms.

Anyway what relgion would that be?

I don't really follow a religion; however, I consider myself a student of Qabalah, Thelema, and other forms of magick ("the Science and Art of causing change to occur in conformity with Will").

[Slizor]

I don't really follow a religion; however, I consider myself a student of Qabalah, Thelema, and other forms of magick ("the Science and Art of causing change to occur in conformity with Will").

Really? It sounded kinda buddhist to me

[Freakapotimus]

At 4/9/01 03:29 PM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Really? It sounded kinda buddhist to me

What sounded Buddhist? Sexual intercourse being a spiritual act? Hmmm... I don't know too much about Buddhism, except it seems that a lot of "Hollywood Stars" are studying/following it.