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Good luck guys. I hope you aren't in for months of nasty debate over who won. :|

I can't help but be an optimist for how the winner will affect Canada - both candidates are good for us up here in some ways, bad for us in others.

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At 11/3/04 02:19 AM, WadeFulp wrote: Haha, I gotta watch CNN more. It's pathetic. Larry King is so upset, you can so see it. He's all upset that Kerry is going to lose, and he knows it. They were talking about the big effort to get out the 18-24 crowd and how about the same # of that age range voted this time compared to last time, so the efforst FAILED. Then Larry King is all "Why didn't they vote?! Why aren't they voting?!" and was all upset and flustered because he knows they would favor Kerry.

I think he's cranky because it's way past his bedtime.

Wade, do you think you'll make a frontpage post about the election tomorrow after we find out who won?

At 11/3/04 03:03 AM, WadeFulp wrote: Nah. Tom might, I dunno. We try not to get to political on the front page.

Five of the 12 Flashes featured on the front page are political in nature.

At 11/3/04 02:59 AM, WadeFulp wrote: I'd be a little surprised if he pulls of Iowa.

Heres the celebration photo.

At 11/3/04 03:06 AM, Maus wrote:

At 11/3/04 03:03 AM, WadeFulp wrote: Nah. Tom might, I dunno. We try not to get to political on the front page.

Five of the 12 Flashes featured on the front page are political in nature.

Yeah... and? Just last week they were all in Halloween-ish nature. Its theme, dude.

At 11/3/04 02:59 AM, WadeFulp wrote: It's not close! Bush is ahead 120,000 votes in Ohio and after they count the provisional ballots he'll probably hold the same lead, if not increase it. He's also about 3.7 million votes ahead in the popular vote. He's winning by a much larger margin than the 2000 election.

Gore had a case to demand a recount in Florida, but the Democrats don't really have much to go on with Ohio, but they still have the right to ask for a recount.

Bush may end up winning Nevada, New Mexico, and Iowa and really slam dunk the election. I'd be a little surprised if he pulls of Iowa.

I have to agree... It is looking a bit grim since Iast checked it out. But Maybe you're right. Maybe I'm just trying to deny the inevitable fact that whatever source you look at it seems as though Bush is going to pull off a second term. I'll try and sum this up the best I can. When Kerry pulled forth as the democratic nominee, I was skeptical. I honestly didn't want him as the president, he's a wishy washy pussy. I would have liked to have seen Dean as the Democatic nominee. But that never happened. So I'm going to generalize the point, and ask you something. Why do you support Bush with such intensity? Has he really done that much for our country, wheras someone else couldn't do just as good a job, or better? I really don't understand it. Sigh... yet all in all... it looks like this election is going to Bush. Oh well.

Ah feck it. Ima sleep. Its midnightish and I gotta wake up in about 5 hours. Im callin Bush wins. If he doesnt, you can thereby refer to me as Odorbreath. HAPPY ELECTION NIGHT.

At 11/3/04 02:49 AM, WadeFulp wrote: Larry King is like "But the popular vote is a mute point!" haha. Not when there is that BIG of a difference. Bush is ahead by 3 points, 48% to 51%.

Actually he's completely right. With the way that the electoral college is set up, the electors don't have to listen to their constituents. It was originally set up like this because the founding fathers knew (and they were basically right) that hick farmers with little to no investment in the government would make horrible choices for president. With the vote that close they are more than justified to exercise the ability to vote either way.

As far as John Edwards, he didn't look like he thought he was going to win, he looked like a beaten opponent.

That was purely opinion slanted by your biased approach. I'd be biased too so I didn't comment.

As far as Fox News, they aren't as right as everyone makes them out to be.

Again you're being very biased. Many liberals know that most mainstream media is liberal, just as we know that Fox News is biased.

They only appear far right to liberals because they are used to their far left news that they think is moderate, and when they see Fox News which is closer to the middle than to the far right they think it's far right.

What about the people who actually know what they're talking about (I'm not discounting yourself.) on the subject of bias in the media. I watch both Fox News, CNN, and my local middle to left news (not for politics, but I hear things in between weather and traffic.) Fox is more right than central and CNN is typically far right.

As far as the 1 in 300 odd I mentioned, I didn't pull that out of thin air. That was reported on the news as the accuracy of their formula for calling states. Meaning when they called Ohio for Bush they had a 1 in 300 chance of being wrong. This isn't magic people, there are stats, facts, etc. Sure there will be variations, and nothing is 100%, but the variations won't be large enough to call John Kerry the winner of Ohio.

Did they explain how they came up with that number? How often does this happen? Not often the last time it was done was in 2000 when Fox News flip floped.

If John Kerry does win Ohio I will kiss all your feet.

I wouldn't want you to do so. Just be gracious either way as I would expect any mature person to do.

At 11/3/04 02:54 AM, Orodreth wrote: Your getting your info from Yahoo. I havent seen the same calculations ANYWHERE else.

Um... CNN?

At 11/3/04 03:22 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 11/3/04 03:09 AM, Umsutfeersme wrote:

Why do you support Bush with such intensity? Has he really done that much for our country, wheras someone else couldn't do just as good a job, or better? I really don't understand it. Sigh... yet all in all... it looks like this election is going to Bush. Oh well.

You're 15 years old. You're not old enough to vote for a reason. I'm almost 30. I own my own house, I am married, and I have a child.

I can appreciate that. I'm just trying to figure out exactly where I am in the political world, and you obviously know your shit.

President Bush got rid of the marriage tax. Basically let's say I earn $30,000 a year and my wife earns $30,000 a year. Before Bush our income would be added together and we'd be taxed as if we were making $60,000 a year, which could put us in a higher tax bracket. Meaning instead of say 20% of our income being taken by the Federal Government for making $30,000 we might have 25% taken for making %60,000. Now I'm taxed at $30,000 and my wife is taxed at $30,000 and we are penalized for being married. WHY THE FUCK DO WE WANT TO PENALIZE PEOPLE FOR GETTING MARRIED?!?! FUCKING DEMOCRATS WANT US TO ALL BE FAGGOTS AND NOT GET MARRIED?! Hehe.. So right there we're being taxed less and not being punished for being married.

Again, I can understand and sympathize toward not wanting to be taxed in a higher bracket because of your higher incomes.

Bush also increased the child tax credit so I get more of my taxes BACK now that I have a child, and I'll get more when I have my 2nd child.

Bush doesn't want to socialize our health care. I don't want to have a health care system like Europe. This is America, we're not socialists. John Kerry wants to give everyone Health Care, which would raise my taxes and lower the quality of my health care.

While socialized healthcare would probably be lower in quality than healthcare you buy through your insurance, that doesn't mean you'd have to go with the socialized healthcare. I seem to remember somewhere along the lines that you can purchase your own, or stick with your own and be just fine. Taxes would be raised, but there are a million different plans of action that President Bush has not taken which could put citizens of the united states in a much better situation tax-wise, mostly concerning the Pentagon's overinflated, porky budget.

John Kerry is a la\wyer, Edwards is trial lawyer. These are the type of people responsible for our health care being so expensive with all their crazy law suits.

What are you going to do? Every lawyer has to deal with crazy lawsuits, there is absolutely no way around these.

I'm lucky to have a doctor to deliver my babies in my state. The cost of malpratice insurance is skyrocketing and many doctors are leaving my state because they can't afford the rates. George Bush wants to fix this by putting caps on law suits.

I can understand this, but wouldn't Kerry do the same?

I like the way George Bush is fighting the war on terror. Sure, things could be better, but it's war. Wars are fluid. You can't be perfect, and you can't know everything. You do the best you can with the information you have, but the goal is to win and protect our country from future attacks.

Iraq, which is right in the heart of this "war on terror," presented us with absolutely no threat. None at all. He did not finance Osama Bin Laden, in fact, the two didn't like each other. Thoroughly . The war in Afghanistan was justified, Bin Laden needed to be brought to justice, but that operation was scrapped to focus attention into Iraq.

Wars can be debated because there are a lot of different ways to fight a war. All that matters is that we win.

Indeed. But how we go through with it is what really matters. We can't haphazardly rush in, a plan needs to be formulated. In the case of the war on terror, namely in Iraq, nothing was thought out and consequently over 1,100 people have lost their lives.

Anyone of us could have been standing on top of the WTC towers on 9-11 on a field trip, or vacation to NYC, etc. We shouldn't have to deal with the two largest buildings in our country being taken down by passenger jets filled with people.

No we shouldn't. And that is specifically why when you get a memo entitled: "Bin Laden determined to strike within US," you should pay attention. Not vacation.

I don't agree with everything George Bush stands for, but he fits my views closer than Kerry does. I don't even know what Kerry stands for. I listen to Kerry time and time again and he never gives a clear answer. He just says he'll do a better job, but never says how.

It is difficult to mine anything coherent out of his ramblings, but he did give out a few of his views, and they match mine more accurately than Bush's do. I suppose it's a matter of opinion. The only reason I want him president, like almost everyone else who voted for him, is because he's not Bush. No one said, "Hey, I really want to see Kerry as president"

When he does say how I don't agree. I don't agree with giving everyone health care. I don't agree with raising taxes on people who are well off and are running small business and creating jobs. When people have more money they spend more money. The more money they can spend, the more it helps everyone else.

I can't disagree.

Those are just a few things.

I'd like to hear more. :)

Bush 254
Kerry 242
Nevada goes to Bush

Things are looking glum for Ol’ John at the moment...
In these dire times for fellow democrats, I have made a picture to show my support for Mr. Kerry!
John can still win!
‘Crosses Fingers’

Mike

Well I was informed I would be banned if I made a Bush won topic and since I would like to be around to rub it in I'll just say it here.

You guys bitched and moaned about some dillusion you had of a stolen election, insulted his intelligiance, attacked his morals, questioned his character and told lies as fast as you could make the up. And once again you misunderestimated him.

=P

At 11/3/04 03:59 AM, BeFell wrote: Well I was informed I would be banned if I made a Bush won topic and since I would like to be around to rub it in I'll just say it here.

You guys bitched and moaned about some dillusion you had of a stolen election, insulted his intelligiance, attacked his morals, questioned his character and told lies as fast as you could make the up. And once again you misunderestimated him.

=P

#1. He did steal the election in 2000, kind of hard to lose when a member of your election comittee recounted the votes in the state that your brother is governer of.

#2. Oh, sweet irony.

#3. He's an evangelical right wing nut. He bases the majority of his ethical desicions on the bible, so basically, fuck science, and fuck everyone else.

#4. Character-wise, he's a drunken frat boy, and he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Good thing Cheney is there with a hand up his ass to tell him what to do.

#5. Name some of these lies. Give me proof. Give me credible links. Otherwise I know for a fact you're pulling all of this out of your ass.

#6. Last, we did not underestimate him, dumbshit. Your buddies in Bumfuck Arkansas outnumbered us.

Congrats! You just helped in flushing our country down the shitter. And the only reason I'm so pissed is because, unlike so many others who support Bush, you don't actually give credibility to any of your poorly spelled claims. So until you can make yourself not sound like and idiot, go away.

At 11/3/04 04:31 AM, Umsutfeersme wrote: Congrats! You just helped in flushing our country down the shitter. And the only reason I'm so pissed is because, unlike so many others who support Bush, you don't actually give credibility to any of your poorly spelled claims. So until you can make yourself not sound like and idiot, go away.

Looks like someones pretty bitter :-)

Congratulations from the UK to all you Republicicans out there in the US of A. Im glad Bush will most probably be back for anouther 4 years.

I'll start celebrating after the recounts are done.

~Z~

At 11/3/04 06:51 AM, Z17 wrote: I'll start celebrating after the recounts are done.

~Z~

uh huh

At 11/3/04 03:23 AM, WadeFulp wrote: "CNN, the most latest name in news"

-.^

Oh, I get it.

Theres no way Kerry can win, he would have to get 100% in the next votes coming in frmo Ohio. He hasnt gotten 100% in any area, its impossible. And the fact he hasnt conceeded, thats just sad and immature.

At 11/3/04 07:44 AM, Peter90688 wrote: Theres no way Kerry can win, he would have to get 100% in the next votes coming in frmo Ohio. He hasnt gotten 100% in any area, its impossible. And the fact he hasnt conceeded, thats just sad and immature.

It is funny that you claim it is sad and immature that John F. Kerry does not resign, when you have not brought up Ralph Nader or any other third party candidate.

Well, I have predicted that Bush would won since march, and everybody around me was telling I was crazy.
The media's in Europe should not have looked to the polls comparing Kerry to Bush, but the polls about Bush's job approval, because I'm nearly sure that 75% of the votes for Kerry aren't for Kerry's policy, but against Bush.
All democrats candidates were pretty poor to me, only Edwards had my sympathy (but, hey, Im not american anyway).

Nobody should be scared about Bush winning, he has always tryed to look like Reagan, and Reagan was way softer on his second mandate. I have no doubt that Bush will do the same.

I think we should debate to know if Ossama's video bashing Bush had any influence on the vote, and if the goal of this video was not made to make Bush win. I think Ossama will love Bush to get reelected, because he materialize many stereotypes that feed anti-americanism.

Well, at last, I see the good side of this story, thanks to Bush, I won 50€ and a 24-pack of beer (Bush beer ;o) ) , and we will see plenty of wonderful Bush-bashing games and movies on Newgrounds for four more years!

(To the conservatives that may not like my opinion, I'm just exposing my Old-European point of view, I respect yours, so respect mine. You may criticize it, but please, don't fall into insults, elections are over ;o) )

SHIT! Bush is winning. This really sucks. Get ready for four more years of our soldiers dying by the thousands and a continuing record budget deficit.

what do you expect Kerry to bring you?better economy? withdrawing armies from Iraq?

You know, i find this strange.
-Movies critizing bush and what he has done (ex. faranheight 9/11)
-The war in iraq
-The media telling everyone what bush did wrong.

and yet, Bush still wins popular vote.