Kerry will reinstate the draft

[LightningRider]

Don't vote for Kerry, he'll reinstate the draft. Well, at least he has a better chance than Bush of reinstating it. He said he'd add two divisions to the army. How? Magic? I don't think simply encouraging people to join will do the trick.

[FUNKbrs]

*mental bitchslap*

NOONE'S REINSTATING THE DRAFT!!! IT WAS ALL A PLOY TO MAKE BUSH LOOK BAD!!! IT'S OVER!!! LET IT DIE!

[Z17]

I don't think he will reinstate the draft. His claim that he will add two more divisions is more than likely one of those things he said he will do to get elected, but wont do if he gets in office. Kinda like not repealing the tax cuts.

~Z~

[Kilrathi827]

Exactly. If the draft were to be reinstated that would be political suicide for whatever President pushed for it AND his party. After Vietnam, the draft carries none of the patriotic connotations it did during WWII. The people will oppose the draft and I seriously doubt if any draft legislation would get past the Congress, even with the President behind it.

Kerry doesn't want the stigma of reinstituting the draft and neither does Bush. If there was one of the two I thought would be more likely to add folks to the military via a draft, it would be Kerry. This is primarily cause he actually wants to cut military spending at the same time as adding 40000 new people to the army (2 divisions). Those two ideas don't work together if you want an all volunteer army.

[LightningRider]

Yeah, just helping dispel ideas that the draft is a republican idea. Probably just made myself look kinda stupid. Whatever.

[TheOmnipotent]

When in the bullshit hell did you hear that draft shit to make you believe it?

[LightningRider]

At 10/23/04 09:01 PM, OmniLogic wrote: When in the bullshit hell did you hear that draft shit to make you believe it?

I don't believe it, but Kerry's the one who said he'd add 2 divisions to the army, not Bush. I put 2 and 2 together and came up with this post.

[TheOmnipotent]

So can you really say its that accurate?

[Jimsween]

Ahem, 700,000 reservists...

Not to mention, the army recruits like 80,000 per year, the navy 40,000, Air Force 35,000, and the same with the marines.

Oh yeah, how could he ever manage to recruit 40k in four years, it's like.... nearly impossible.

God people, look stuff up before you decide to be dumb.

[dominus-kima]

All of you i can understand that you are worried about a draft but i think it is Bush's fault to begin with because we would not need a draft had we not been in Iraq in the first place. We didnt need to go there because it was first the WMD that we were worried about now its to free the Iraq people from a dictator whom we were friendly with in the past and supplied with weapons because we were getting his oil....

Anyway if the draft does come then it will come from Kerry or Bush who ever wins. We have the same chances with each regardless of whether Kerry is instating 2 divisions. We will still need the troops!

[BrickMurus]

THE DRAFT WILL NEVER HAPPEN UNLESS OF A DIRE EMERGENCY!!!

[Kilrathi827]

Youre right, the armed forces do recruit a gigantic amount of people every year, but the HAVE to just to keep current force levels up. Right now, re-enlistment/retention rates in all the services are extremely low. And Im relatively certain that the 700,000 reservists don't want to have to become full-time soldiers all the time. My point remains that in order to to raise the two full extra divisions, SOMETHING would have to be done either to provide incentives to keep enlisted folks in the service or to pull more people in. In theory it would be possible to recruit 40,000 extra personnel, but only if they don't lose the people in the service they have now.

[BrickMurus]

Think before I speak oh stfu. I did not say it never happened unless of a dire emergency I was saying it will never happen again unless of a dire emergency. Politicians don't want to vote for it cause their goes their careers, and military officials do not want unwilling, slackers who are forced to serve becuase they do not make great soldiers. Therefore a draft will only occur if needed, but it most likely will not be needed.

[AntiangelicAngel]

Upon reading the websites of both canidates, it was said that John Kerry will not bring back the draft. Bush's stated that the draft will be brought back if the level of troop enlistment is less than needed to finish his daddy's fight (I put it in my own words, but it's all there). Though I am generally pretty pacifistic, I am registering for the draft, and not selecting to register as a conciencious objector although with my religion I easily could. I personally believe George Bush himself would not bring back the draft as it drafts the rich and poor with equal percentages as to the population, and George Bush cannot afford that. Further, Kerry is for improving morale among soldiers, and this most certainly wouldn't be the way to do it. Besides, 90% of the people on these forums are like 12. They don't have to worry about it.

[GFuhrer]

All of you people are stupid if you believe they will bring back tthe draft. The draft is only used in major wars such as WW2 not pansey wars like Iraq.

[Taors]

At 10/24/04 08:11 PM, GFuhrer wrote: All of you people are stupid if you believe they will bring back tthe draft. The draft is only used in major wars such as WW2 not pansey wars like Iraq.

We will more than likely be in Iraq longer than any previous war we've ever been in. I don't see us pulling out anytime soon.

[GFuhrer]

At 10/24/04 08:23 PM, Taors wrote:

At 10/24/04 08:11 PM, GFuhrer wrote: All of you people are stupid if you believe they will bring back tthe draft. The draft is only used in major wars such as WW2 not pansey wars like Iraq.

We will more than likely be in Iraq longer than any previous war we've ever been in. I don't see us pulling out anytime soon.

This may be true but I didnt see any major battle in Iraq that resulted in the death of more than a million people (Stalingrad, Lenigrad, Kursk. Russians have probably been through the worst fighting in all of man's history if you ask me).
How many people have died in Iraq?
less than 1,000....

[Hunter-X]

At 10/23/04 08:11 PM, LightningRider wrote: Don't vote for Kerry, he'll reinstate the draft. Well, at least he has a better chance than Bush of reinstating it. He said he'd add two divisions to the army. How? Magic? I don't think simply encouraging people to join will do the trick.

Do you have real evidence to back that up?

[dominus-kima]

Taors is correct. There is a good chance that we will be in Iraq for much longer than anyone anticipated and a draft is something that could very well happen. Personally i have a brother who is the prime suspect to be thrown into a draft and if he is to be thrown into a Vietnam meat-grinder re-run then i want to do everything to make sure he isnt killed.

By the way things are going we ARE going to stay there and if its another year thats another 1,000 to 3,000 plus that are going to die in that time.

[BrickMurus]

If they ever bring back the draft, which I doubt, while I am still eligible to be called to duty, then I will volunteer. Pick my fight, not get stuck as a bullet shield in the army.

[pierrot-le-fou]

It is time for a more light hearted approach

At 10/23/04 08:11 PM, LightningRider wrote: Don't vote for Kerry, he'll reinstate the draft.

LOL!

Well, at least he has a better chance than Bush of reinstating it.

ROFL!

He said he'd add two divisions to the army. How? Magic? I don't think simply encouraging people to join will do the trick.

*waves hands in the air*
Shazzam! More troops.

[RedSkunk]

At 10/24/04 08:26 PM, GFuhrer wrote: How many people have died in Iraq?
less than 1,000....

Wow. Get a grip on reality some time, dude.

[CobraCutterPB]

welll out of those 700,000 only about 100,000 are fit to fight, and out of the 80,00 that come in a year about 7/10 make it through, then add up all the people retireing, The army basicaly Recruits as many people to replace the ones retireing so the cycle restarts. No way in hell kerry will add to divisions, if anything he will cutback spending and decrease the size of the US armed forced much like clinton did. So now ask yourself, who do u think will make it safer for you? And yes im in the army

[dominus-kima]

CobraCutter is somewhat correct, the army is in a state of limbo when if comes to new recruits and it seems that there is going to be the same amount of people no matter what. But still regardless of two new divisions i still think that if we get more people it will be excellent but whether you like it or not we are still going to need those troops no matter how we get them. Its either that or we pull out of Iraq ((which by the way is highly unlikely)) and lose the war. WE still need those troops!!!!!

[LightningRider]

At 10/24/04 07:39 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote: Bush's stated that the draft will be brought back if the level of troop enlistment is less than needed to finish his daddy's fight

I don't think so.
Fail.

[lapis]

At 10/25/04 03:48 PM, LightningRider wrote:

At 10/24/04 07:39 PM, AntiangelicAngel wrote: Bush's stated that the draft will be brought back if the level of troop enlistment is less than needed to finish his daddy's fight

I don't think so.
Fail.

I'd love to check out www.georgewbush.com, but when I click your link I get an "error 403 - forbidden". I mean: what the hell? Am I not the only one with this problem? Or are Europeans not allowed to visit the site? I've never seen this error message before, so I can't tell.

At 10/24/04 08:26 PM, GFuhrer wrote: How many people have died in Iraq?
less than 1,000....

lol, understatement. 13,000-15,000 civilians, and about 1080 American soldiers

[LightningRider]

At 10/25/04 04:21 PM, lapis wrote: I'd love to check out www.georgewbush.com, but when I click your link I get an "error 403 - forbidden". I mean: what the hell? Am I not the only one with this problem? Or are Europeans not allowed to visit the site? I've never seen this error message before, so I can't tell.

Well you would get a different error if it was closed to Europeans. I'm not sure what the cause is.

[I-am-Iron-Man]

At 10/23/04 08:11 PM, LightningRider wrote: Don't vote for Kerry, he'll reinstate the draft. Well, at least he has a better chance than Bush of reinstating it. He said he'd add two divisions to the army. How? Magic? I don't think simply encouraging people to join will do the trick.

Like I'd serve in an army that faggot's in charge of.

[Memorize]

At 10/25/04 10:00 PM, MuyBurrito wrote:

Come on, anyone who ACTUALLY supports Bush is a fruit who doesn't know what the hell their talking about.

your such a fruit.

[Anarchy-Balsac]

At 10/23/04 09:01 PM, OmniLogic wrote: When in the bullshit hell did you hear that draft shit to make you believe it?

When Charles Rangel(sp?) annually tries to reinstate it probably.