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At 10/12/04 01:50 PM, TigerDemon wrote: People I am enlisting in the US Navy. Now I have a couple of things to say. 1. Yes America makes mistakes and is not always right but who is ? 2. I am SICK of people bashing my country for what THEY think should or should not happen. If America didnt have the balls to be an ass sometimes then most of you wouldnt even be able have the freedom to say what you say on the web. So please BACK OFF AND SHOW SOME RESPECT for the good America has done

right now I think america is the dumb (bush) jock with huge arms (strong military) that gets all the girls. Hes the guy that everyone hates, enforcing his ways on everyone else. If you were in their place, im sure you would feel the same.

but we need people like you willing to go to the armed forces to defend this nation. someone has to get us out of the quagmire that bush got us into.

At 10/12/04 02:00 PM, Hermannator wrote: I understand that with the Senate and House of Representatives, the government is like a republic. But our country elects a single leader, which is the president, which makes it like a democracy too. I guess the U.S. is really a mixture of both.

Actually the U.S. is a republic beacuase it elects its head of state, on the other hand There is Britian and Canada which have a Queen or King as their head of state but arn't involved in the government. Their roll is just to sign the bills into laws and to ensure that there is a government that can govern and is fair to the people. That makes Canada and Britian a constitutional monarchy.

The U.S. on the other hand elects a president and he can direct the affairs of the governmen making the U.S. a republic

Ya seriously. Why do people from Amsterdam and whatever shithole you are from feel the need to tell us we are such shit? Im not making a topic here like AMSTERDAM-POTHEAD, FUCKED UP CENTRAL. Why are YOU being so arrogant as to say what is wrong with our country? Mind your own European ass. Dont fuckin insult us, we wont say shit about you. You are as bad as the stupid fucking rednecks that go to Europe and expect A class treatment cause we saved your ass in 2 World Wars. Damn, these assholes really fuckin piss me off. I wanna kick some Amsterdammi ass if this shit kicker talks again.

Dont be such a cocksucker next time and dont be so violent in your attacks. Maybe I wont be such a cocksucker back. No promises though.

Nice job learning English, though, lol. Not bad for a second language.

At 10/12/04 07:48 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

Gee if this is what the rest of the US sounds like no wound your the MOST HATED country in the WORLD.

At 10/12/04 02:00 PM, Hermannator wrote:

I understand that with the Senate and House of Representatives, the government is like a republic. But our country elects a single leader, which is the president, which makes it like a democracy too. I guess the U.S. is really a mixture of both.

Pure democracy is the public votes on every single thing. It wouldn't work. Also the majority could easily surpress the minority on so many things.

Republic is what we have, the people elect representatitives to do the voting and runing of the country <President, Congress and such>. Its a little more realistic on getting things done, since voter turn out normally sucks anyways, just think if you had to vote daily on pretty much anything from going to war to funding research on making fruit flies homosexual at certain temperatures.

america's reputation has been goin dwn here in new zealand (not lyk n e 1 cares but hey i still gota voice)
they started a war based on false evidence, wen there still recovering from there 107 billion dollar spending in vietnam.
George bush has no brain and is drivin america into the ground ,as u probly alrady knw, there will no b another 9/11 sum where else and kill even more people. Now on the topic of killin George bush has now sent over 1000 americans to there death and has killed over 50000 woman and children in iraq alone not to mention every otha god 4 sakin contry they occupy.

At 10/12/04 02:01 PM, TigerDemon wrote:

Point taken. However I am sick of the people who look for the littlest thing to bitch at America for. Briton is almost always right in there with us and I dont see any anti Brit posts.

I dont agree with the actions of brittain either, but like u said: Brittain is always right in there with us.. (after US comes with the plan)

and I agree with people saying that the US always gets negative reactions, and people dont look at the good things, but thats just how it works. If u look at the news u only hear the negative comments on your goverment just like in my own nation, u never hear people givin complements to the goverment. I mean this is a politics forum wouldnt it be kinda strange if I am gonna suck up to america? Well thanx for developing the JSF I am gonna fly it

At 10/12/04 02:05 PM, Hermannator wrote:

At 10/12/04 02:01 PM, TigerDemon wrote:

It's mostly that the Britain helped us with the war, not encourage it. Besides, they took a British guy hostage and executed him,

So what one Brit died! You have seen several American hostages die as well so its no different.

At 10/13/04 02:32 AM, Stresskillingme wrote:

At 10/12/04 07:48 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

Gee if this is what the rest of the US sounds like no wound your the MOST HATED country in the WORLD.

Well with out this most hated country most of the other sorry ass nations would have been Grass in WW2

I think America was different in 1945..

At 10/12/04 07:35 PM, snail_262001 wrote:

Actually the U.S. is a republic beacuase it elects its head of state, on the other hand There is Britian and Canada which have a Queen or King.

Canada has a king/queen? Never knew that :\

Personally I think that America is getting to musch of the blame for what happened in Iraq. The british government said the same thing about saddam having WMD's but for some reason the USA gets all the blame?

Really I think that anyone who goes around saying that Bush is an idiot for going to war with Iraq needs to shut up he as doing what he believed was best for his country. Ok he was wrong about the WMD's but everyone makes mistakes.

At 10/13/04 12:09 PM, Frozen_Fox wrote:

At 10/12/04 07:35 PM, snail_262001 wrote:

Really I think that anyone who goes around saying that Bush is an idiot for going to war with Iraq needs to shut up he as doing what he believed was best for his country. Ok he was wrong about the WMD's but everyone makes mistakes.

excuse me? I hope u're not serious. He was wrong but everybody makes mistakes? some mistake he made then. goddamn this makes me mad, people justifying a war because it just was a stupid "little" mistake everyone makes.
u know I think america should stop trying to find osama, man it was just a mistake he made, some american slut dissed him so he was mad about it and just dropped some plains on manhattan, he is sorry about it now I think, man let him be.. he made a mistake.

THEY ENGAGED WAR BECAUSE THEY WERE CONVINCED THAT SADDAM HAD WoMD, so if he didnt make that tiny mistake he would go to war..

really u should think about killing ure self

and about what u said Tiger Demon

U cant justifie ameircan stupidity, by saying "we saved youre ass in WW2"

At 10/13/04 02:13 PM, Tomsan wrote:

excuse me? I hope u're not serious. He was wrong but everybody makes mistakes? some mistake he made then. goddamn this makes me mad, people justifying a war because it just was a stupid "little" mistake everyone makes.

Maybe mistake was the wrong word to use. Perhaps major league cock up would have been better?

Bush went into Iraq to try and find WMD's but his information was wrong and they werent there. So somewhere along the line there was either a mistake by someone or the American Government intentionally lkied to its country and to Britain cause they managed to convinve Tony Blair that they were their.

Now which would you rather believe? That there was a cockup in the intelligence service or the leader of your country deliberatley(sp?) lied to you?
Personally Id rather believe the first one because if the leader of your country lied about one thing who knows what else they lied about?

But this is my opinion and you entitled to your own so agree or disagree with me as you please.

" After ww2 howeever america decided that the communists were the enemie. they didnt have any particulare reason for this"
Actually if you had seen what they did to east Germany and many block countries you would see why..",
"first they dropped 2 atom bombs on japan a thing that is still only done by america"
Japan was asking for it. This probably saved more lives than it killed...my Grandfather for one, he had already fought his way through italy and was going to have to go fight their if not for the nuclear bombs he might have died there..as well as many others...
"vietnam was a funny war too wasnt it. why did u guys fight in vietnam?? well?? because the country wanted to be communistich.."
Every country has made mistakes
"iraq jesus man leave them alone."
yea Bush is an idiot...
"poor countries cant handle that much of a freedom democratie offers, it goes wrong."
I agree
"why is america so arrogant why do they have to prove thereselfs so much, why are u always going to war why are u singing to your flag why are " all " so patriotic why do u think you can do anything why do u only think of yourself????"
This is a bit jumbled but I will try to sort itout... 1.we have a corrupt idiot in the white house, and he has the majority in congress so can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants...most rational people dont think the Iraq war was a good idea, and we werent trying to prove ourselves. 2. We are so patriotic because we love what america has given us, unfortunatly Bush uses that in a bad way

"the UN is an agreement of all "important" world nations to listen to eachother and agreeing on important subject before measurement are taken
america wants something UN dissaproves america does it anyway.. WHY??"

We started the u.n. and encourage it the most...we just have an idiot in now that doesnt care about anything but himself.

"I am not sure if its true so u tell me but I heared that micheal mooores movie 9-11 was censored??? "

it wasnt but the republicans tryed their best and gave it the highest rating they could even though it didnt deserve it

At 10/13/04 02:27 PM, Frozen_Fox wrote: Personally Id rather believe the first one because if the leader of your country lied about one thing who knows what else they lied about?

This is why I think Republicans still believe in the President. They are afraid to accept possible truth that the President lied to us. Why are you guys so afraid to believe the possibility that the President caused us to go to war for Iraq for reasons other than WMD's, terrorist connections, and Saddam being evil?

I also find it hypocritical when some people accuse anti-war people of being afraid of war. We aren't afraid of war, we are afraid of the people of the world being pissed off and hatred towards America being increased, due to the world's belief that America went to war for oil.

Why are going to war? We are supposedly afraid of Saddam. You guys are afraid of a threat that most likely didn't exist. Saddam has never attacked us, he has never used WMD's on our soldiers in Iraq during the Gulf War, we have no evidence of WMD's or the production or development of it, and there were no direct ties to Al-Queda. Sure, Saddam killed his own people, but that doesn't mean he's a threat to the U.S. Also, there are other evil dictators out there that deserves to be killed or capture as much as Saddam did.

Anti-war people were afraid of something that was real. Pro-war people were afraid of something that didn't exist.

At 10/12/04 02:00 PM, Hermannator wrote: Then why do we always claim that our country is a democracy and tries to spread democracy? What is considered a true democracy?

To offer my humble opinion, when we apply the title of "democracy" or any type of government, we do so in a abstract form.

I think of it like right triangles. We can formulate them out on paper, but it's impossible for us to actually have a right triangle in reality.

At 10/13/04 02:13 PM, Tomsan wrote:
U cant justifie ameircan stupidity, by saying "we saved youre ass in WW2"

And you obviously can't hide your stupidity, by saying "sorry if my spelling is bad, but I don't use English as a first language"

Well tough shit! If you can't spell, or don't learn how to spell before posting, or type for that matter, then you're stupid! If you don't know the language then don't post until you do!
It's common sense.

You have proven time, and time again, that you are indeed being stupid, with your positively horrible spelling, practicly nonexistant punctuation, not typing out words in full, generalizing, stating your opinions- as if they were fact.

You obviously, know nothing about American history, seeing that you've never even been to the United States, read a real history book on the U.S., or researched your facts.
Yet, you make claims about America's history that are incorrect.

I don't ever lecture you about your nation's history, without first knowing it.

You live in Amsterdam, the Netherlands.

Since, when does a Dutch European know anything about the U.S. besides from what they hear from their Media or what their opinion is, which is known to criticise the U.S.

You don't know, what you're trying to suggest. Since you've only experienced one point of view: The view of a foreigner, as you've never heard the other point of view: The country you're criticising.

This proves, that your opinion is most likely, just more of this
European anti-American criticism garbage.

Your thread is titled: "God Damn America"

Here's what I have to say: God Damn The Netherlands!
For a country that allows prostitution, some if not all of the people over there, can't spell worth shit in English.

As you have demonstrated.

If I were to make a thread about The Netherlands and how much of a joke you Europeans are, then it's likely that you'd be insulted. So shut up!

You're basicly, whining about America and it's people, which you don't even know. Complaining isn't going to do you any good.

P.S. I dare you to respond. It'll be quite entertaining.

At 10/13/04 12:09 PM, Frozen_Fox wrote:

At 10/12/04 07:35 PM, snail_262001 wrote:

Actually the U.S. is a republic beacuase it elects its head of state, on the other hand There is Britian and Canada which have a Queen or King.

Canada has a king/queen? Never knew that :\

Well actually it is the same as Britians Queen way back in 1867 we decided when we became our own country from britian we decided to keep the british monarch. Thats also why our official name is The Diminion of Canada cause Diminion is another word for Kingdome.
ITs funny tho cuase she really does nothing accept sign constitutional changes and laws when she is in canada the rest of the time a representitive does that for her.
She is also on our money and i have to say it is the best looking currency in the world.

God Save the Queen

At 10/13/04 06:14 PM, Alpha6 wrote: Well tough shit! If you can't spell, or don't learn how to spell before posting, or type for that matter, then you're stupid! If you don't know the language then don't post until you do!
It's common sense.

Other countries have the same view when we go visit their countries for vacation. If we don't understand or speak their language, they'll treat us like shit. For example, if I go to France and speak English all the time and not bother learning French, they'll just treat me like shit and call me an idiot in French.

At least he learned some English!

You obviously, know nothing about American history, seeing that you've never even been to the United States, read a real history book on the U.S., or researched your facts.
Yet, you make claims about America's history that are incorrect.

Yeah, but American history books can be biased in the sense that "We are the best country!" and "We are always right" and "We never did anything wrong!" and "If it wasn't for us, the Allies would have lost WWI and WWII!" and "Vietnam was a good war!"

I don't ever lecture you about your nation's history, without first knowing it.

When America does things that occur outside the nation, it usually appears in other countries' history books too. Besides, he's criticizing our foreign policy, not our domestic policy.

You live in Amsterdam, the Netherlands.

Since, when does a Dutch European know anything about the U.S. besides from what they hear from their Media or what their opinion is, which is known to criticise the U.S.

What's wrong with their media? You never have been to Netherlands and listened to their news or read their newspaper.

You don't know, what you're trying to suggest. Since you've only experienced one point of view: The view of a foreigner, as you've never heard the other point of view: The country you're criticising.

Of course, all foreigners are wrong unless they agree with us! That's such a dumb way of thinking. Besides, some people in Iraq don't want us there, yet we ignore them and stay there.

This proves, that your opinion is most likely, just more of this
European anti-American criticism garbage.

Maybe it's because our foreign policy does suck. Attacking a country for oil is really dumb. By the way it's not WMD's (Bush admitted there were none), not Al-queda (there were no direct connections, only minor connections, just like in Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia) and Saddam being evil (he's not the only dictator out there).

Your thread is titled: "God Damn America"

Here's what I have to say: God Damn The Netherlands!
For a country that allows prostitution,

Oh no! So does Nevada!

:some if not all of the people over there, can't spell worth shit in English.

Why should they? Their national language is Dutch. Just because they don't speak another country's language, doesn't mean they're stupid. By the way, what languages do you know?

As you have demonstrated.

If I were to make a thread about The Netherlands and how much of a joke you Europeans are, then it's likely that you'd be insulted. So shut up!

You're basicly, whining about America and it's people, which you don't even know. Complaining isn't going to do you any good.

He does know that America invades other countries for oil and tries to change other countries' governments. Isn't that enough? He knows that the people support these foreign policies, which is enough to criticize them.

P.S. I dare you to respond. It'll be quite entertaining.

I dare you to keep on posting, too. It'll be even more entertaining to see how much you trust a political figurehead.

At 10/13/04 07:42 PM, Hermannator wrote:

Yeah, but American history books can be biased in the sense that "We are the best country!" and "We are always right" and "We never did anything wrong!" and "If it wasn't for us, the Allies would have lost WWI and WWII!" and "Vietnam was a good war!"

i do agree that American history books are biased in some areas, but it is our american history. they do the same thing (not being racist) when they talk about blacks and how we took away their land and that we just took all of them and made them slaves. but what they dont tell you is that blacks, in africa at that time, would sell other black slaves to the white people (I would know since my dad, who was born in america, was raised most of his life in africa). so i agree that it can be, but sometimes it can be very accurate.

we look to the past so we wont make the same mistake in the future.
we look to the future so that we wont make the same mistakes as we did in the past.

Hahah fuck you Stresskillingme. Im not sitting here insulting Canada or the Netherlands. I expect the same respect given to my country as I give to everyon else's country. I dont see why any American think it is ok for people like you and the topic poster to talk shit about our country. You wanna get in rational discussio0nout the problems you see America creating in the world dont name the motherfuckin topic GOD DAMN AMERICA.

Fuck you stress. And fuck the topic poster. Dont shit all over me, I wont shit on you. Make your topic GOD DAMN AMERICA I will fuckin insult you all I want. Its amazing how anyone thinks this personal attack bullshit is ok. But if someone wants to pick a fight, Im not gonna back down and lick his ass out of the "courtesy" I am supposed to have as an American citizen. Like it or not, nationalism still runs deep in a lot of people.

Still love how the Europeans and even Canadians think it ok to start talking shit and when I talk back, I am called a bad example of an American. Lemme ask you stress, if I made a post saying GOD DAMN CANADA and I said "I hate Canada but they are not all bad people" and continued on my rant about Canada, how would you like it? And your Canada, you dont get this kind of shit alot. At least once a week, there is some foreigner talking smack about America. Can really get me going.

At 10/13/04 08:37 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: At least once a week, there is some foreigner talking smack about America. Can really get me going.

Well, you can't denie that America has a worldleader, ofcourse you get reactions. That the reactions are bad, does mean something.. I can understand that you are feeling insulted, but plz don't take it too personal (unless you think that America has a really great foreign policy =) )

At least, that's how I feel.. You still have some people who think that every American is the same.

At 10/13/04 07:42 PM, Hermannator wrote: Yeah, but American history books can be biased in the sense that "We are the best country!" and "We are always right" and "We never did anything wrong!" and "If it wasn't for us, the Allies would have lost WWI and WWII!" and "Vietnam was a good war!"

Have you ever read any of those textbooks? (The ones for school?)

They're monuments for political correctness. They would never really take a stance if the world was coming to a end.

At 10/13/04 08:37 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Hahah fuck you Stresskillingme. Im not sitting here insulting Canada or the Netherlands. I expect the same respect given to my country as I give to everyon else's country. I dont see why any American think it is ok for people like you and the topic poster to talk shit about our country. You wanna get in rational discussio0nout the problems you see America creating in the world dont name the motherfuckin topic GOD DAMN AMERICA.

I should imagine most yanks like you do care about what people say about their coutnry is just that you are unfortunate enough to fall for the bait and start an arguement which is probably what people who makes anti american threads want.

Still love how the Europeans and even Canadians think it ok to start talking shit and when I talk back, I am called a bad example of an American. Lemme ask you stress, if I made a post saying GOD DAMN CANADA and I said "I hate Canada but they are not all bad people" and continued on my rant about Canada, how would you like it? And your Canada, you dont get this kind of shit alot. At least once a week, there is some foreigner talking smack about America. Can really get me going.

There is a difference between talking shit and voicing an opinion. The topic starter was just voicing an opinion.
Dont you have freedom of speech in america? Just becasue someone voices an opinion on your country that you dont agree with doesnt give you the right to start an arguement or try and flame them.

Your prblem is your to patriotic as is most of america. Patriotism is good to an extent but when it gets to levels that you Yanks take it to it gets ridiculous.

No offence to you or any other americans that read this its just that form what Ive seen you take patirotism to an entire new level.

At 10/13/04 08:37 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Hahah fuck you Stresskillingme. Im not sitting here insulting Canada or the Netherlands. I expect the same respect given to my country as I give to everyon else's country. I dont see why any American think it is ok for people like you and the topic poster to talk shit about our country. You wanna get in rational discussio0nout the problems you see America creating in the world dont name the motherfuckin topic GOD DAMN AMERICA.

Fuck you stress. And fuck the topic poster. Dont shit all over me, I wont shit on you. Make your topic GOD DAMN AMERICA I will fuckin insult you all I want. Its amazing how anyone thinks this personal attack bullshit is ok. But if someone wants to pick a fight, Im not gonna back down and lick his ass out of the "courtesy" I am supposed to have as an American citizen. Like it or not, nationalism still runs deep in a lot of people.

Still love how the Europeans and even Canadians think it ok to start talking shit and when I talk back, I am called a bad example of an American. Lemme ask you stress, if I made a post saying GOD DAMN CANADA and I said "I hate Canada but they are not all bad people" and continued on my rant about Canada, how would you like it? And your Canada, you dont get this kind of shit alot. At least once a week, there is some foreigner talking smack about America. Can really get me going.

hmm.. I agree my topic title wasnt apporpiate, when I started this threat, I was a bit pissed about something I saw in the television, so U' re right (i hope people do understand it is a parody on god bless america which resides on the 'fact' america is patriotic.)

it also sounds logic to me you are insulted when i am saying, that I dont hate all americans but then go rage about america, again I apologize but its not that I " hate" all persons in the US seperately, but I hate the forgein politics, and I also dislike the total american attitude.. by that I mean, although the the decisions(?) are made not by the people but the goverment, alot of the people do seem to suppert the goverment.

another thing in my country we have a saying: " hoge bomen vangen veel wind" littertually translated: " high trees, catch alot of wind"
U live in the most powerfull nation of the world with a goverment I think is screwing up, this is a politics forum were u can express u're opinion, thats all I am doing. I do agree I was a bit to aggresive in my starting threat but u are taking it all to personall

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At 10/13/04 06:14 PM, Alpha6 wrote:

At 10/13/04 02:13 PM, Tomsan wrote:
And you obviously can't hide your stupidity, by saying "sorry if my spelling is bad, but I don't use English as a first language"

well before I start herminator said the most already about all your comment.
I think its funny U are dissing my english while U probably can only talk write english. I dont mind this while ure basic schooling doesnt include any other language. I however MUST learn english french and german besides dutch on school from the age of 12 till 17. If u do speak another language can u also write it?

Well tough shit! If you can't spell, or don't learn how to spell before posting, or type for that matter, then you're stupid! If you don't know the language then don't post until you do!
It's common sense.

see up. who ever said u may not post on this forum when u dont write perfectually english????

You have proven time, and time again, that you are indeed being stupid, with your positively horrible spelling, practicly nonexistant punctuation, not typing out words in full, generalizing, stating your opinions- as if they were fact.

ok point taken now I cannot speak and write as good as english as you. I AGREE but dont be a bitch and read/get over it.

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You obviously, know nothing about American history, seeing that you've never even been to the United States, read a real history book on the U.S., or researched your facts.
Yet, you make claims about America's history that are incorrect.

I have been to America 2 times, I met alot of nice friendly people. I did do some research about american history, for some school project. my father gives studied history on the university and he told me alot about american history.
My claims arnt inccorect, they are maybe doubtable. What claims are u actually talkin about? all my claims? sounds very subjective to me. The claim that my claims are incorrect is incorrect.

I don't ever lecture you about your nation's history, without first knowing it.

I only talk about forgeign history so it consernse ME, WW2 was partually in my country, all of the older people in the netherlands have known the war. What I am saying has really NOTHING to do with your nations history I didnt talk about ure civil war so again U arnt making any point here

You live in Amsterdam, the Netherlands.

Since, when does a Dutch European know anything about the U.S. besides from what they hear from their Media or what their opinion is, which is known to criticise the U.S.

I do agree I get alot of my info by the media, dutch media but also english and american media, whats wrong with that, is there another way to form an opinion by the PRESENT world politics without the media??? hmm.... NO.....

You don't know, what you're trying to suggest. Since you've only experienced one point of view: The view of a foreigner, as you've never heard the other point of view: The country you're criticising.

uh YES I did hear the other point of view, what the hell are u saying that the media is only givin me a point of view of a forgeigner?? hmm sounds very odd and not correct. I hear americans justifying all their actions all the time so I really dont agree with u here

This proves, that your opinion is most likely, just more of this
European anti-American criticism garbage.

delete the word garbage, and I agree

Your thread is titled: "God Damn America"

Here's what I have to say: God Damn The Netherlands!
For a country that allows prostitution, some if not all of the people over there, can't spell worth shit in English.

well u do legalize prostitution to, just saw a documentary about it, the bunny ranch or something. but this is a whole other topic, I dont see whats wrong with legalizing it. I agree with it

If I were to make a thread about The Netherlands and how much of a joke you Europeans are, then it's likely that you'd be insulted. So shut up!

probably I would be insulted a bit, but I wouldnt take it too personall, but U are allowed to comment on my country although they are not alot of a big nation so there wont be much to comment about

You're basicly, whining about America and it's people, which you don't even know. Complaining isn't going to do you any good.

again just expressing my opinion, what are you saying??

P.S. I dare you to respond. It'll be quite entertaining.

well here u go :)

At 10/14/04 04:26 PM, Frozen_Fox wrote: There is a difference between talking shit and voicing an opinion. The topic starter was just voicing an opinion.

Isn't talking "shit" still a opinion?

Dont you have freedom of speech in america? Just becasue someone voices an opinion on your country that you dont agree with doesnt give you the right to start an arguement or try and flame them.

You are completely incorrect. Freedom of speech does give you the right to argue with somebody over anything, and be as much of a asshole that you want to be. In America, people can say just about everything they want. If there's something that they can't, its because the representatives in government that they elected by a majority listened to the public, and did something about it.

However, this is a private forum, and flaming is not encouraged.

They shoud stopping to go in a war.
Diplomatie is a better way.
And buch must go away.

sorry about my bat english

I bet one of bush economic plans was:

we get the world to hate americans and not accept them, thus they don't go to other countries and spend all their money here, saving the economy ^^

okay, i can agree with you somewhat...

the civil war was what screwed this country the first time. in school, you are taught that abe lincoln was a great savior and freed the slaves... wrong!

abe lincoln was a horrible man, in my opinion.

lincoln jailed people without a trial, or even any evidence.
lincoln completely disregarded the constitution when he said that the southern states were not allowed to secede from the union.

and, what really pisses me off, is that people think the civil war was about slavery... wrong again.

the civil war was about the confederacy of the south wanting to secede from the union of the north, and mr. lincoln said no.

and, now the part I can agree with you about.

ww 1 and ww 2...

probably worse than lincoln, was frankie. franklin rooseveltr was a horrible flaming socialist.

roosevelt made it illegal to own gold.
frankie made sure that the government had to do with everything of your life.
he started the trend of stealing from the people, and redistributing it (which still happens today).

the great depression needed to run its course, and something i found out just a little while ago is that the united states of america has pretty much been bankrupt since 1933... right after the depression...

bankrupt since 1933, hows that for the "richest" country in the world.