God Damn America

[Tomsan]

ok first of all excuse me for my english if its bad, english is not my first language.
2nd of all I do not hate america and all that live there

What I do hate is the way the american goverment is pushing trough there ideas about freedom.. freedom of expression and choise freedom of being who u are DEMOCRATIE.. well thinking americans are the good guys I sometimes wonder why america is the agressor so many times. after there own civil war america was an united country with a great system that made a nice and good life possible for everyone, then the 2 WW came to happen and I thank u all for helping europe in those times. After ww2 howeever america decided that the communists were the enemie. they didnt have any particulare reason for this, while I personnally think democratie is the best system communism could work (although it eventually didnt) this was the start of the ever increasing american arrogance!! first they dropped 2 atom bombs on japan a thing that is still only done by america and america being the one with the largest supply of atom boms is now ordering every country to give up A boms or firbid them to develop them.. wel mister america. set an example and get rid of them ureselfs. vietnam was a funny war too wasnt it. why did u guys fight in vietnam?? well?? because the country wanted to be communistich.. yes they did wanted to be communistich well let them. america was afraid.. but for what?? its another system then democratie but its a system again america proved to be the aggresor. and what the hell are u doing in iraq jesus man leave them alone. I was thinkin its a damn fine strategy.. first say the enemie to disarm or we will engage/declare war and then when the enemy did disarm go to war with them anyway.. bush is a pussy thats the only thing that comes to mind.

again I think democratie is the best system but in some countries and some cultures it just doesnt work, some nations are better off in a dictatorship, poor countries cant handle that much of a freedom democratie offers, it goes wrong.

why is america so arrogant why do they have to prove thereselfs so much, why are u always going to war why are u singing to your flag why are " all " so patriotic why do u think you can do anything why do u only think of yourself????

the UN is an agreement of all "important" world nations to listen to eachother and agreeing on important subject before measurement are taken
america wants something UN dissaproves america does it anyway.. WHY?? I know why because nobody can boycot u. And u all use this adventage to the fullest but does it make u prode? are u happy to be a american which goverment is engaging war all over the world ignoring accpeted rules trying to force the democartie all over the world even there were it isnt wanted??
I am not sure if its true so u tell me but I heared that micheal mooores movie 9-11 was censored??? well if thats true u aint much of an democratie are u?

well I think I will quit writing now I can spent hours on this subject

plz respond and give me reasons to stop thinking about america how i do now

pls dont flame

best regards

[NewJersey6]

As an American I can safely say that our government makes way too many mistakes in terms of foreign policy and int'l dealings. The forefathers of America made it a point to stress that America never get involved in the affairs of other countries, but apparently we just didn't listen. I don't blame the people though... I blame the crackpot politicians we elect who ignore our history and do everything our forefathers would frown upon. It really pains me to say the American government is so ignorant, but it's kind of hard to hide...

[darksytze]

U live in Amsterdam,

Not America,

Stop crying becaus of it,

Learn english hippy! ,

[Scumputer]

who said he would want to live in that blasted hole there?
NewJersey wrote:
As an American I can safely say that our government makes way too many mistakes in terms of foreign policy and int'l dealings.

cant agree more. Now, why would America keep itself working in other countries while they are doing more damage than good?

[Jimsween]

First of all, you must understand something about the UN. It is an ok diplomatic tool, because it allows all nations to work collectively, but it is not democratic. The UN is mainly controlled by 5 countries, of whom, one is a dictatorship, and one is corrupt, the other three are France, Great Britian, and the US. I would not put much faith in the UN as a peacekeeping organization, it can be too easily manipulated and is far too beauracratic.

Second, in reference to the US's battle on communism. The battle on Communism was much less a battle on the ideal, and rather was about ensuring the stability of the world. After WW2, you saw alot of countries that were before prosperous decimated by war. This forced two countries into "Superpower" status, the United States, and the USSR. It is clear that communism causes much havoc when first implimented, I don't think anybody is arguing otherwise, and when nations are at a state of chaos, they want AID. This can be said for pretty much every country that ever turned communist. And in pretty much ever country that ever turned communist, the USSR stepped in quickly and gave AID. I have nothing against AID, it's great, but not long after the war is became clear that the USSR was doing it for non-humanitarian reasons, in the Cuban Missile crisis. Rather than rant on, I'm just going to sum it up and say that the reason the US fougth communism so furiously is because they were afraid it would give the USSR another Ally.

And third, how much is weed (marijuana) in the Netherlands?

[Tomsan]

Well in the example I gave: the war in vietnam. there was no such thing as chaos. the land was poor, but wanted to be communistich. there were no other issues (probably there were but non important). america (I think) just didnt wanted to see communismn spread along the world, in this case asia.

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for weed we got a variaty of prices, i dont buy on the street anymore, but when i was like 4 years ago it was about 5 dollars a gram maybe somewhat less, in the shop I'll buy ' expensive ' weed from like 10 dollars a gram, but u can get cheap shit for 4 dollars a gram..

why u ask? how much is it in the states?

[Hermannator]

I agree with nearly everything you say.

At 10/9/04 02:55 PM, Tomsan wrote: After ww2 howeever america decided that the communists were the enemie. they didnt have any particulare reason for this, while I personnally think democratie is the best system communism could work (although it eventually didnt) this was the start of the ever increasing american arrogance!!

I guess we automatically assumed it's the worst thing ever compared to the capitalist system. Capitalism encourages people to work hard to earn more money, while communism pays equal amounts and the economy is controlled by the government. Communism could work, but it depends on whether the government is corrupt or not.

At 10/9/04 02:55 PM, Tomsan wrote:

:first they dropped 2 atom bombs on japan a thing that is still only done by america and america being the one with the largest supply of atom boms is now ordering every country to give up A boms or firbid them to develop them.. wel mister america. set an example and get rid of them ureselfs.

I agree again. Dropping those two bombs were a big mistake. We only killed civilians doing that. It would have been better to drop them on fully military targets. Or we would have fight them normally, although it would cause more US casualities.

At 10/9/04 02:55 PM, Tomsan wrote:

:vietnam was a funny war too wasnt it. why did u guys fight in vietnam?? well?? because the country wanted to be communistich.. yes they did wanted to be communistich well let them. america was afraid.. but for what?? its another system then democratie but its a system again america proved to be the aggresor.

It's not really democracy vs. communism, but it's capitalism vs. communism. The U.S. is most likely the most capitalist country in the world. The U.S. for some reason is very afraid that communism would take over the U.S. system, so we tried to stop the spread. However, I don't think communism would ever take over the U.S. and I think Vietnam was dumb.

At 10/9/04 02:55 PM, Tomsan wrote:

:and what the hell are u doing in iraq jesus man leave them alone. I was thinkin its a damn fine strategy.. first say the enemie to disarm or we will engage/declare war and then when the enemy did disarm go to war with them anyway.. bush is a pussy thats the only thing that comes to mind.

Bush wanted oil, that's what. He just throws out every other reason possible to such as WMD's and direct Al-Queda connections, which were not true. The only reasons that weren't lies were that Saddam is an evil dictator (but there are more out there and Osama bin Laden is a bigger threat) and Saddam violating UN sanctions (which were fucking with Iraqi civilians at one point more than Saddam).

again I think democratie is the best system but in some countries and some cultures it just doesnt work, some nations are better off in a dictatorship, poor countries cant handle that much of a freedom democratie offers, it goes wrong.

Saddam was better off staying in power. Now there is a civil war brewing in Iraq.

why is america so arrogant why do they have to prove thereselfs so much, why are u always going to war why are u singing to your flag why are " all " so patriotic why do u think you can do anything why do u only think of yourself????

Sean Connery said it best in The Rock when he said "'Patriotism is the virtue of the viscous'-Oscar B. Wilde" then he got punched and then he said "Thanks for proving my point."

the UN is an agreement of all "important" world nations to listen to eachother and agreeing on important subject before measurement are taken
america wants something UN dissaproves america does it anyway.. WHY?? I know why because nobody can boycot u. And u all use this adventage to the fullest but does it make u prode? are u happy to be a american which goverment is engaging war all over the world ignoring accpeted rules trying to force the democartie all over the world even there were it isnt wanted??

Hell no, I'm not happy. That's why I'm voting Kerry.

I am not sure if its true so u tell me but I heared that micheal mooores movie 9-11 was censored??? well if thats true u aint much of an democratie are u?

Indeed. Since the Republicans are in power, they try to censor and ban as much anti-Bush stuff as possible. Bush even said that freedom should be limited.

well I think I will quit writing now I can spent hours on this subject

plz respond and give me reasons to stop thinking about america how i do now

pls dont flame

best regards

Hmm, I guess I said everything I had to say so far within your quotes. Remember, it's "Democracy", not "Democratie". I thought you were talking about Democrats or something.

[kusosuke]

dammit Hermannator, you beat me to it.
i basically was going to say nearly exactly what Hermannator said, so i guess he saved me some time from writing another exceedingly long post.
~Will

[Samuel-HALL]

For the record, we don't live in a democracy. What we have more resembles a republic.

[RedSkunk]

A place where all adults can vote. Sounds like a democracy to me. *shrug*

[BeFell]

At 10/9/04 02:55 PM, Tomsan wrote: ok first of all excuse me for my english if its bad, english is not my first language.
2nd of all I do not hate america and all that live there

What I do hate is the way the american goverment is pushing trough there ideas about freedom.. freedom of expression and choise freedom of being who u are DEMOCRATIE.. well thinking americans are the good guys I sometimes wonder why america is the agressor so many times. after there own civil war america was an united country with a great system that made a nice and good life possible for everyone, then the 2 WW came to happen and I thank u all for helping europe in those times. After ww2 howeever america decided that the communists were the enemie.

Have you ever heard of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization? It began as a collection of mostly European nations that decided they needed the U.S. and its money and bombs to enforce their ideal of stopping the advance of communism.

they didnt have any particulare reason for this, while I personnally think democratie is the best system communism could work (although it eventually didnt) this was the start of the ever increasing american arrogance!!

Do you have any idea how many millions of people died under communist Russia? 20 million, that is almost two holocausts but apparently that is irrelevent to you because "communism could work" well exscuse us for arrogantly trying to save lives.

first they dropped 2 atom bombs on japan a thing that is still only done by america

So you would have rather seen an invasion of the Japanese mainland? Once again we have an example of you criticizing America for saving millions of lives.

and america being the one with the largest supply of atom boms is now ordering every country to give up A boms or firbid them to develop them.. wel mister america. set an example and get rid of them ureselfs.

Our atomic bombs are a deterent to every other country in the world to use theirs. They know that if they use theirs against us or any of our allies we will turn them into a crater. Now if we were to take the first step in disarming while they kept theirs then what would keep them from using theirs?

That's about as far as I read, you are very ignorant and not worth any more of my time.

[Hermannator]

Yeah, the U.S. still needs nukes as a deterrent. But I think that we should try to make agreements so that way if one country takes down or reduce their nuclear programs, the U.S. should try to do the same, but not completely. Unless we somehow get all the countries to take it down completely.

[BeFell]

At 10/10/04 05:55 PM, Hermannator wrote: Yeah, the U.S. still needs nukes as a deterrent. But I think that we should try to make agreements so that way if one country takes down or reduce their nuclear programs, the U.S. should try to do the same, but not completely. Unless we somehow get all the countries to take it down completely.

If we could get everyone to agree to disarm I would be all for it, but I know that is impossible. Nobody would be dumb enough to give their enemies such a huge stratigical advantage. The only reason that America is taking so much heat for not signing the treaty is because we have the greatest stratigical advantage. I would expect any other country in our position to take the same stance. What we have to realize is nukes are here to stay and there is no way they are going to magically go away because it is just too much power to give up. So the best way to make sure nobody uses them is to guarantee utter destruction for doing so.

[Archdukechocula]

Hermannator does not really know why we went to Iraq. It was not for oil, it's liberals like him that try to only tell you one WRONG idea. America has enough oil to use for generations and generations, the only reason we buy it from the middle east is because its cheaper and therefore a smarter desicion. To the guy who started this thread, don't just listen to Liberals or just Conservatives, listen to both because each are going to make a bias statement. Im conservative and I can admit that. You also don't seem to realize that going to war with iraq isn't a stupid act. Sadam was not only a MASS MURDERER but despised america and tried to get rid of UN sanctions so he could start his weapons programs again. Sadam also has a past of seeking out weapons of mass destuction. I also wouldn't have the UN make a desicion on if we should defend our country. That would be like asking someone if you can eat now because you missed lunch. Anyways don't just listen to one side, listen to both Liberals and Conservatives. Oh, and god damn you person who started the thread...god damn you too! *salutes*

[Hermannator]

At 10/10/04 07:05 PM, Archdukechocula wrote:

Sadam was not only a MASS MURDERER but despised america and tried to get rid of UN sanctions so he could start his weapons programs again. Sadam also has a past of seeking out weapons of mass destuction.

You know, I pretty much had it with the "he violated UN sanctions so he can rebuild his weapons program" shit. If this is a reason why we want to war, why didn't the President state this as a reason before we went to war? The only thing the President stated was that Saddam was evil and killed his people and had weapons of mass destruction and had terrorist connections with Al-Queda and the 9/11 bombers. The WMD argument has been disproven and there is no evidence of direction connections with Al-Queda, just small ones (the same goes for Iran and Pakistan and many other countries). There are also plenty of other evil dictators out there, Saddam is not the only one.

If the UN violations were so bad that we needed to go to war, why didn't the UN approve the war? That probably means that violation of UN sanction actually means jack shit, since the UN agreed to the sanctions yet don't care if they are violated the way they were. I bet the Republicans are babbling about these violations so that way we think that the war was worth it, since some of their original theories have been disproven or not backed up.

[Muntz]

In my opinion I think the United State's "Battles with communism" were not needed at all. In time many of the communist countries would have fallen into a depression becasue capitilism is more efficiet than communism. Look at China for example it was mainly communist but they have realized that because the Lack of a profit driven industry they have become a weaker economy. It might have taken longer but eventually it would happen.

Also, in my opinion the Cold War was not to fight of communism but, was a result of an arms race. The U.S. was in constant competition with the U.S.S.R. to become the dominant power in teh world.

[NGWOAnarchyPenguin]

Excuse my bad english, I'm just learning. Everyone from Hungary is a dick monkey. Excuse my bad english, I'm sorry, excuse me.

[Tomsan]

At 10/10/04 11:05 PM, El_Toro_Loco wrote: Excuse my bad english, I'm just learning. Everyone from Hungary is a dick monkey. Excuse my bad english, I'm sorry, excuse me.

Lol well if this message is pointed at me, which i think it is, you have alot to learn buddy, like that Amsterdam is the capital of The Netherlands not hungary!! lol ure the only "dick monkey" in here

[Demosthenez]

Still love how the rest of the world loves to hate America and not say anything about the good things we do in this day and age. All we are is bad, huh? Look at a world wihtout America, dominated by CHina. Much better.

[Gutmunchr]

You have got to be joking me, china isnt number two after america its the european union, even if it isnt properly united it is still the 2nd most powerful state. China doesnt have the money or the technology.

[Camarohusky]

At 10/12/04 07:00 AM, Gutmunchr wrote: You have got to be joking me, china isnt number two after america its the european union, even if it isnt properly united it is still the 2nd most powerful state. China doesnt have the money or the technology.

or does it? China has the manpower, the intelligence and the industry to create technology and China is one of the reichest countries, it has almost no negative trade agreements.

[ReiperX]

At 10/9/04 02:55 PM, Tomsan wrote: ok first of all excuse me for my english if its bad, english is not my first language. 2nd of all I do not hate america and all that live there

-While you didn't have the best grammer in your post you did a pretty good job, and its understandable since english isn't your first language. And I'm glad that you see that not all American's are twats or whatnot like some people seem to see, although there are a decent number of them in this country.

.... then the 2 WW came to happen and I thank u all for helping europe in those times. After ww2 howeever america decided that the communists were the enemie. they didnt have any particulare reason for this, while I personnally think democratie is the best system communism could work....

-I don't know if the US would have entered the first world war without the loss of American lives, but think we would have entered the second one soon even if Pearl Harbor hadn't happened. But I'm not positive on either of those. I think the only reason that the US thought that the Communists were so evil was because their form of government was more or less the opposite of ours, so it clicked in some people's heads that they are different so they must be evil. Communism could work, but it would be very hard with the present state of the human race, a lot of things would need to be weeded out.

this was the start of the ever increasing american arrogance!!

-Well you more or less "save the day" in 2 world wars you might get a big head, at least thats how some people may have been seeing it when that happened.

first they dropped 2 atom bombs on japan a thing that is still only done by america and america being the one with the largest supply of atom boms is now ordering every country to give up A boms or firbid them to develop them.. wel mister america. set an example and get rid of them ureselfs.

-I don't like nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons, but since they were invented they are needed as a deterrent, and until our world can come into a single governemnt, or at least somehow peace can be guarenteed they are now and will be used as a deterrent, and something to use on the barganing table to get countries what they want. We're really playing with fire with them since they were created and unfortunately I think it'll take something catastrophic in order for the human race as a whole to realize that these weapons are bad ju ju and need to be removed entirely.

vietnam was a funny war too wasnt it. why did u guys fight in vietnam?? well?? because the country wanted to be communistich.. yes they did wanted to be communistich well let them. america was afraid.. but for what?? its another system then democratie but its a system again america proved to be the aggresor.

-I think that Vietnam was a huge mistake. Can't really say anything to really defent the US on that.

and what the hell are u doing in iraq jesus man leave them alone. I was thinkin its a damn fine strategy.. first say the enemie to disarm or we will engage/declare war and then when the enemy did disarm go to war with them anyway.. bush is a pussy thats the only thing that comes to mind.

-Iraq I think was also a mistake, I would have supported an invasion of there was actual hard proof shown to the public that Iraq had NBC weapons and not just what the President says.

again I think democratie is the best system but in some countries and some cultures it just doesnt work, some nations are better off in a dictatorship, poor countries cant handle that much of a freedom democratie offers, it goes wrong.

-I do agree with you there. What works for one country may not work for another one. I wish some other people would realise that as well.

why is america so arrogant why do they have to prove thereselfs so much, why are u always going to war why are u singing to your flag why are " all " so patriotic why do u think you can do anything why do u only think of yourself????

-I guess when you are the big guy on the block and have no real competition some people let it go to their head and think that what they know is best. I disagree with that philosophy but some don't I guess.

...are u happy to be a american which goverment is engaging war all over the world ignoring accpeted rules trying to force the democartie all over the world even there were it isnt wanted??

-Nope

I am not sure if its true so u tell me but I heared that micheal mooores movie 9-11 was censored??? well if thats true u aint much of an democratie are u?

-Democracy doesnt' necisarilly have a lot of freedom, its how the laws and the consitution are written. Didn't see Farinheight <sp> 9-11 personally so I don't know.

well I think I will quit writing now I can spent hours on this subject

-I could too =)

plz respond and give me reasons to stop thinking about america how i do now

-Thats something you will have to do for yourself. If you just listen to what other people say and take just their viewpoints on things to let them change the way you feel you really don't learn anything. Look for yourself for reasons not to dislike the US government, or to even dislike it as well, and come up with your own conclusions.

best regards

Have a nice day =)

[Jimong5]

At 10/9/04 02:55 PM, Tomsan wrote: What I do hate is the way the american goverment is pushing trough there ideas about freedom.. freedom of expression and choise freedom of being who u are DEMOCRATIE.. well thinking americans are the good guys I sometimes wonder why america is the agressor so many times.

Iraq is America's first preemptive war really, and maybe vietnam, but thats a stretch, Ill say why later.

after there own civil war america was an united country with a great system that made a nice and good life possible for everyone, then the 2 WW came to happen and I thank u all for helping europe in those times. After ww2 howeever america decided that the communists were the enemie. they didnt have any particulare reason for this, while I personnally think democratie is the best system communism could work (although it eventually didnt) this was the start of the ever increasing american arrogance!!

Comunisim was seen as a threat, because after WWII, it was the other superpower in the world. If america wasnt wary of russia, they would be trampled by communism, while good on paper, was corrupt and bloated under an atheist dictator, which stood against everything americans at the time held dear.

first they dropped 2 atom bombs on japan a thing that is still only done by america and america being the one with the largest supply of atom boms is now ordering every country to give up A boms or firbid them to develop them.. wel mister america. set an example and get rid of them ureselfs.

The 2 atom bombs in Japan, while horrific, I felt were nessecary. It showed just what the power of 2 could do. Those bomb droppings are what kept the cold war cold. if it didnt happen in Japan, it would have happened somewhere else.

vietnam was a funny war too wasnt it. why did u guys fight in vietnam?? well?? because the country wanted to be communistich.. yes they did wanted to be communistich well let them. america was afraid.. but for what?? its another system then democratie but its a system again america proved to be the aggresor.

http://one-six-one.fifthinfantrydivision.com/161pg13d.htm
Ho Chi Mihn attemted to forcefully disrupt America's attempt to create a democratic state in south vietnam. Also, it was a misjudged attempt to prevent the spread of communisim, mainly because of the status of another country in the warsaw pact rather than NATO would have.

and what the hell are u doing in iraq jesus man leave them alone. I was thinkin its a damn fine strategy.. first say the enemie to disarm or we will engage/declare war and then when the enemy did disarm go to war with them anyway.. bush is a pussy thats the only thing that comes to mind.

Several americans disagree with the way we entered iraq. blame the president for that one

again I think democratie is the best system but in some countries and some cultures it just doesnt work, some nations are better off in a dictatorship, poor countries cant handle that much of a freedom democratie offers, it goes wrong.

But in the long run its better for the people, they are better off, and in a generaton or 2, they will be able to make their own choices. most dictatorships are 1 rich man that steals the countries wealth so he can own 14 palaces rather than feeding the people.

why is america so arrogant why do they have to prove thereselfs so much, why are u always going to war why are u singing to your flag why are " all " so patriotic why do u think you can do anything why do u only think of yourself????

were a patriotic nation, we just are, as well as a nation that was born out of war. we are also a very young country in the world. at 228 years, thats nothing compared to like 1500 Great Britian has. and by my count, we have only gone to war about 12 times.:
French and indian, revolutionary, 1812, civil, spanish-american, Philippines, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq(91), and Iraq(03). only 2 really have been seen as unneeded.

america wants something UN dissaproves america does it anyway.. WHY?? I know why because nobody can boycot u. And u all use this adventage to the fullest but does it make u prode?

The UN has been ignored once (as far as im aware) by the US. and it was under this president. not a good look at america as a whole.

are u happy to be a american which goverment is engaging war all over the world ignoring accpeted rules trying to force the democartie all over the world even there were it isnt wanted??

Democracy was wanted in Iraq. it was apparent when we first got there. we only really faced resistance by those that see us as an occupying force. not those resisting democracy.

I am not sure if its true so u tell me but I heared that micheal mooores movie 9-11 was censored??? well if thats true u aint much of an democratie are u?

It wasnt true.

[ScaryDeadGirl]

Q:
I am not sure if its true so u tell me but I heared that micheal mooores movie 9-11 was censored???

A:
Maybe you are reffering to the fact that Moore had more video from within Iraqu but chose not to put it in the actual film because of it's highly controvercial contents? From what I know about that matter chose to leave that out on his own accord no one made him do it. The DVD he is releasing may have the withheld footage on it but I can't be positive about that.

[ScaryDeadGirl]

At 10/12/04 01:44 PM, ScaryDeadGirl wrote: Iraqu

Dammit I apologise
it's Iraq of course not Iraqu. Curse my attempt to type and chew gum at the same time.

[TigerDemon]

People I am enlisting in the US Navy. Now I have a couple of things to say. 1. Yes America makes mistakes and is not always right but who is ? 2. I am SICK of people bashing my country for what THEY think should or should not happen. If America didnt have the balls to be an ass sometimes then most of you wouldnt even be able have the freedom to say what you say on the web. So please BACK OFF AND SHOW SOME RESPECT for the good America has done

[ScaryDeadGirl]

At 10/12/04 01:50 PM, TigerDemon wrote: People I am enlisting in the US Navy. Now I have a couple of things to say. 1. Yes America makes mistakes and is not always right but who is ? 2. I am SICK of people bashing my country for what THEY think should or should not happen. If America didnt have the balls to be an ass sometimes then most of you wouldnt even be able have the freedom to say what you say on the web. So please BACK OFF AND SHOW SOME RESPECT for the good America has done

Doing good sometimes doesn't give us a free ticket to be assholes ya know? Good luck with the navy be safe and strong but don't assume and judge those who don't believe in this war. We all love and hope for the best for our troops. It's not a disrespect to have an opinion about the safety our lives as a whole in our nation. If no one questioned what government did and their intentions regurading the people where would we be now? We wouldn't be America.

[Hermannator]

At 10/12/04 01:53 PM, silencedintruder wrote: america is a republic not a democracy, you dumbfuck european asshole

Then why do we always claim that our country is a democracy and tries to spread democracy? What is considered a true democracy?

I understand that with the Senate and House of Representatives, the government is like a republic. But our country elects a single leader, which is the president, which makes it like a democracy too. I guess the U.S. is really a mixture of both.

[TigerDemon]

At 10/12/04 01:56 PM, ScaryDeadGirl wrote:
Doing good sometimes doesn't give us a free ticket to be assholes ya know? Good luck with the navy be safe and strong but don't assume and judge those who don't believe in this war. We all love and hope for the best for our troops. It's not a disrespect to have an opinion about the safety our lives as a whole in our nation. If no one questioned what government did and their intentions regurading the people where would we be now? We wouldn't be America.

Point taken. However I am sick of the people who look for the littlest thing to bitch at America for. Briton is almost always right in there with us and I dont see any anti Brit posts.

[Hermannator]

At 10/12/04 02:01 PM, TigerDemon wrote:
Point taken. However I am sick of the people who look for the littlest thing to bitch at America for. Briton is almost always right in there with us and I dont see any anti Brit posts.

It's mostly that the Britain helped us with the war, not encourage it. Besides, they took a British guy hostage and executed him, so the terrorists target anyone involved. Also, I haven't heard one British person on the forum that supported the war.