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At 10/11/09 09:44 AM, Sensationalism wrote:

At 10/10/09 09:45 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: I have always been of the firm belief that love doesn't exist,

Love is an emotion imperative to our survival as a species. I find it funny you doubt its existence.

Horniness exists, but love in the traditional sense as described in western literature does not.

Now, do you have anything useful to say?

At 10/11/09 09:47 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote:

At 10/11/09 09:44 AM, Sensationalism wrote:

At 10/10/09 09:45 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: I have always been of the firm belief that love doesn't exist,

Love is an emotion imperative to our survival as a species. I find it funny you doubt its existence.

Horniness exists, but love in the traditional sense as described in western literature does not.

Now, do you have anything useful to say?

I doubt a mother and her infant child bond because of horniness for each other.

I think what's actually the case is that you fear you'll never find love so you comfort yourself by imagining it doesn't exist. That way, you're taking away the possibility of it existing but eluding you.

Then again, I don't exactly know what you mean by "traditional sense described by western literature" so I might not understand what you mean. That wouldn't change the situation however.

At 10/10/09 09:45 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: I have always been of the firm belief that love doesn't exist, yet there is a girl that I think I might want for something more than sex. We are sort of friends at the moment, and I want to ask her out. Unfortunately, I don't know if she wants me, how to ask her out, where to take her, whether or not she is already taken, or anything like that.

What do I do? How do I know if she is attracted to me?

Pay close attention to how she acts. Does she smile at you? Does she act like she wants to talk to you by staying near you and listening with her whole body? If you think she might like you based on both her verbal and nonverbal communication, you can ask her out. IF she says yes, greats. If she says no, then talk about the situation with a trusted friend. If the friend thinks it is okay, you can ask her out again on another day.

^stole that from a book.

But just pay attention to how she acts around you and ask her out if you're feeling that she seems interested in you.

Oh and for nonverbal body language, girls tend to laugh at your stupid jokes more and play with their hair if they're into you. Sometimes.

I am seriously worried about turning into a romantic douchebag.

I can't stop thinking abut her, each moment away from her is agonizing. I have physical pain when I am not with her.

I am seriously thinking about killing her to avoid being attached to another human being.

So ive been going out with this girl for a few months now. I really like her and she likes me, but the other day she told me that she didn't want to have any sex because im "too cute to be taken seriously in bed". I like her a lot, but with no sex I feel like im just going to eventually cheat on her, shed find out and hate me forever. Advice?

At 10/12/09 02:10 AM, Hell-Frog wrote: im "too cute to be taken seriously in bed". I like her a lot, but with no sex I feel like im just going to eventually cheat on her, shed find out and hate me forever. Advice?

Do her from behind.

And dude, just masturbate, no need to cheat.

I'm feeling lonely as hell.

Locked up in my room ( almost-literally btw I havn't been anywhere other than school in 2 months almost), Is it my fault I can't hang out with anyone that's my friend? My parents don't realize that anyone around here is a trouble-making hilbilly. ( It's actually true : / ).

So what do I do? I know this hasalmost nothing to do with relationships ( bah ).

At 10/12/09 04:13 AM, Tykwa wrote: I'm feeling lonely as hell.

That's what internet friends are good for.

At 10/9/09 07:47 PM, Oyajitchi-sama wrote: So my question is... what should she do if she will not move on from him?

Why should she do anything? She's clearly strongly attracted to him otherwise she would've been gone for a long time. I get the feeling you're not asking this just for her but for yourself.

At 10/10/09 09:33 AM, UltimateAxl wrote: My first true girlfriend...

Yes, Vincoid it happened...

I feel great!

That's awesome man! I'm glad you kept going for what you wanted ;)

At 10/10/09 04:19 PM, TheWolfe wrote: Hey guys, I have just a couple things to say/ask.

First of all, I once heard that we are only attracted to people that remind us of other people we love/loved. Is this true? I sometimes catch myself looking at someone, and then realize that they look a lot like my ex, but I only realize this after, so in a way I'm instinctually attracted to this people. It kind of creeps me out. This week I've been looking at/decided I think is super cute a girl at my school, and I just realized she looks like this girl who once rejected me. I'm kind of worried that I'm only into girls because of who they look like, not who they are...and I don't even know I'm doing it.

If you put it like that, then yes. It only makes sense that girls you are interested in look like other girls you are or have been interested in. After all they all look attractive to you because of the principles of your attraction.
There is no reason to freak though. You were with your ex for a reason so why would it be freaky to want a girl that looks a bit like her? You just have to realize that it's not just looks either. All girls have different personalities and it's VERY unlikely that these girls are all the same besides looks.

Secondly, it seems that the only reason I masterbate anymore is to get high. I use to do it (years ago) just because it was fun. But now that I'm a senior in highschool, a virgin, and haven't been with a girl in over a year, I feel like it's all I can do from going crazy from being deprived of being with someone. I'm afraid this is "devaluing" orgasms, making them tools to cope and not expressions of love...

You're right and you should definitely stop doing it for these reasons. But how do you think you can stop doing it?

I kind of realize this is going no where, but it pisses me off because this is the 3rd or 4th time ive liked a girl and it just went no where. It's been a freakin year since I've been in a relationship, im sick of it.

And what are you doing about it? Making small talk with a girl (who has a boyfriend) via text while expecting movies to suddenly be realistic won't get you anything. You have to actually work in order to get what you want/expect. So what have you done to make her feel attracted to you?

At 10/10/09 09:45 PM, Conspiracy3 wrote: I have always been of the firm belief that love doesn't exist, yet there is a girl that I think I might want for something more than sex.

There is a part of the brain that produces the chemicals that make you feel in love. There is no need to believe it doesn't exist seeing as it's scientifically proven that it does.
However, something that is able to block out the emotion of love (untill a certain level) is egotism. The only reason you're interested in sex is being able to feel good about yourself and showing others you've accomplished something. With this attitude, you're never truly having sex with anyone but yourself. You're basicly fucking your own ego.

What sex really is about is pleasure. More specifically; getting pleasure from giving pleasure. If you're doing anything but that you're never going to be able to truly enjoy sex and will always feel like you're missing out on something.
Before you do anything else I think you should focus more on these two things. In order to get something external, you first have to work on the internal. I highly you and this girl will get anywhere when you still have these ideas in your head.

At 10/12/09 02:10 AM, Hell-Frog wrote: So ive been going out with this girl for a few months now. I really like her and she likes me, but the other day she told me that she didn't want to have any sex because im "too cute to be taken seriously in bed". I like her a lot, but with no sex I feel like im just going to eventually cheat on her, shed find out and hate me forever. Advice?

Yeah, don't accept bullshit like that. That's the most idiotic excuse I've heard in my whole life.

But tell me, why could she possibly think that? In what way do you behave with her? How much time do you spend together and what are some of the things you do together?

At 10/12/09 04:13 AM, Tykwa wrote: I'm feeling lonely as hell.

Locked up in my room ( almost-literally btw I havn't been anywhere other than school in 2 months almost), Is it my fault I can't hang out with anyone that's my friend? My parents don't realize that anyone around here is a trouble-making hilbilly. ( It's actually true : / ).

So what do I do? I know this hasalmost nothing to do with relationships ( bah ).

What CAN you do? If you already believe that there's no one to hang out with, what is there to change? You can't just suddenly create some people you like or change the ones you don't. All you really can do is either find people who are nice or to accept that there are no people like them. Trying to change somthing you can't will only hurt you.

At 10/12/09 07:51 AM, Vincoid wrote: Before you do anything else I think you should focus more on these two things. In order to get something external, you first have to work on the internal. I highly you and this girl will get anywhere when you still have these ideas in your head.

All pop-psychological bullshit.

What do you think I should do if I really want a chance with her?

At 10/12/09 07:51 AM, Vincoid wrote:
Yeah, don't accept bullshit like that. That's the most idiotic excuse I've heard in my whole life.

But tell me, why could she possibly think that? In what way do you behave with her? How much time do you spend together and what are some of the things you do together?

Doesnt help much. I try to be cute a lot of the time when im with her, if that makes any sense. We see each other most days of the week, most of the time we just chill and talk for a good hour or so, sometimes eat together or occasionally see a movie, usually with other friends.

If you put it like that, then yes. It only makes sense that girls you are interested in look like other girls you are or have been interested in. After all they all look attractive to you because of the principles of your attraction.
There is no reason to freak though. You were with your ex for a reason so why would it be freaky to want a girl that looks a bit like her? You just have to realize that it's not just looks either. All girls have different personalities and it's VERY unlikely that these girls are all the same besides looks.

Idk, it's just kind of creepy to me. I guess its this reminder that even though I'm 99% over my ex, there's always that 1% that will remain forever because we never had proper closure.

You're right and you should definitely stop doing it for these reasons. But how do you think you can stop doing it?

No idea...unless I find some girl whose willing to get sexual with me, and that doesnt seem very likely any time soon.

And what are you doing about it? Making small talk with a girl (who has a boyfriend) via text while expecting movies to suddenly be realistic won't get you anything. You have to actually work in order to get what you want/expect. So what have you done to make her feel attracted to you?

Well a part of me wants to try, but another part doesn't know how/doesnt want to for various reasons. Rejection, going off to college next year, etc etc.
Well it wasn't just texting. We would hang out for several hours afterschool making this float and talk and build shit etc. The texting was just the dead conversation aftermath. Not sure what to do now, now that she doesn't see me every day and she sees him more often then she does me.

CAN I JOIN? I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND NAMED JENNA. SHE'S IN THIS THING CALLED A COMATOSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. SHES VERY HOT AND SHE TOUCHES MY BUTT SOMETIMES. SHE ONCE COOKED ME A SANDWICH, BUT BURNT HERSELF MAKING IT. I LOVE JENNA.

At 10/12/09 11:37 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote: All pop-psychological bullshit.

What do you think I should do if I really want a chance with her?

Why would I tell you something I don't believe in? The whole deal is that it won't work if you don't believe in it. I could go ahead and tell you a bunch of different things that will make her like you but it won't work since you as a person simply can't execute it in the right way because of your believes. If you aren't open to what other people tell you, you'll never be able to hear them say the solution.

At 10/12/09 01:05 PM, Hell-Frog wrote: Doesnt help much. I try to be cute a lot of the time when im with her, if that makes any sense.

Yeah, but does it make sense to you that she doesn't take you seriously sexually when you try to be cute the entire time?
Girls simply aren't looking for guys who are cute. At first they might seem great but guys like that get boring very fast. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if your gf doesn't want to have sex with you simply because she isn't into this 'cute' nonsense.
Let me put it this way; if you want to be taken seriously, then be serious. Don't act cute and act surprised when you are seen as that.

We see each other most days of the week, most of the time we just chill and talk for a good hour or so, sometimes eat together or occasionally see a movie, usually with other friends.

This is one of those other things most guys think girls are looking for. The more time you spend with girls and the more routine your relationship gets, the more likely it is your gf starts disliking you more and more. Being with someone that long and that frequent makes it boring and takes away all the unpredictability.

At 10/12/09 03:41 PM, TheWolfe wrote: Idk, it's just kind of creepy to me. I guess its this reminder that even though I'm 99% over my ex, there's always that 1% that will remain forever because we never had proper closure.

Sure, but only if you're a man whore is it unlikely that you'll be with girls who look alike. It's a simple effect of taste that you are attracted to the same kinds of traits in girls.

No idea...unless I find some girl whose willing to get sexual with me, and that doesnt seem very likely any time soon.

Sure, but that only causes you to ignore the problem, not solve it. The true solution is to stop doing it when you find out you're doing it. Awereness is the key to changing your behaviour, the second key is acting upon it.

Well a part of me wants to try, but another part doesn't know how/doesnt want to for various reasons. Rejection, going off to college next year, etc etc.

And why are you feeling sorry for yourself when you clearly are the one choosing not to go after what you want? It is hard work and you have to have the courage to conquer your fears. That's what it's all about. Only by getting past the difficult will you get a reward. People who sit on their asses all their lifes will never get anywhere and neither will people who complain about not getting off their asses.

The truth about these things is that you are in control of all of them. Only you can change your life into what you want it to be. You have to actually works towards it. Feeling sorry for yourself won't get you there, learning how to get there will. All you have to do is take the first step and things will start rolling.
And yes, you will encounter difficulty. You will get rejected and you will be hurt. By accepting this and working on getting past it, you will get stronger and learn how to get what you want. So go out there and get rejected, learn how to get what you want and stop making excuses for yourself. Life is yours to control so start making it what you want.

Well it wasn't just texting. We would hang out for several hours afterschool making this float and talk and build shit etc. The texting was just the dead conversation aftermath. Not sure what to do now, now that she doesn't see me every day and she sees him more often then she does me.

... because he is her boyfriend... seriously, go for a girl that isn't taken! You're having enough difficulty going for a girl in the first place, why go for one that is more difficult due to already liking someone else?

At 10/13/09 10:48 AM, Vincoid wrote:

At 10/12/09 11:37 AM, Conspiracy3 wrote: All pop-psychological bullshit.

What do you think I should do if I really want a chance with her?

Why would I tell you something I don't believe in? The whole deal is that it won't work if you don't believe in it. I could go ahead and tell you a bunch of different things that will make her like you but it won't work since you as a person simply can't execute it in the right way because of your believes. If you aren't open to what other people tell you, you'll never be able to hear them say the solution.

What should I do if I really want her? I'm starting to get sick at the thought of not having her (as stupid and cliched as that sounds it is sadly true) and I can't wait for months to convert to some pseudo-religious philosophy.

Hey I already posted this in the gay/bisexual club but I guess I'll post it here as well.

Help guys, I don't know what to do. I have a bit of a crush on my roommate (who is straight and taken of course) The thing is though, we're becoming pretty good friends and I don't want to loose that or anything, I like hanging out with him. Oh and I'm still in the closet if you hadn't guessed. He definitely wouldn't care if I told him I was gay but I'm worried he might suspect my feelings toward him then. I have no idea how he would react to that. I just don't think that's an option and I'd rather keep it a secret, even if that's really hard. I'm just getting really stressed out and I don't know where to turn now.

At 10/9/09 10:11 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote:

At 10/9/09 07:35 AM, Vincoid wrote: He isn't THE boyfriend, get it?

Also, Capn, how is her moving back and seeing you more often going to help? She'll still be distant and act the way she does now.

She's opening up more, and we're both happier, besides the fact that she has to hide me from her boyfriend's bitchy sister and she cares too much about what people think. Her boyfriend is going to the dance with another chick to catch up with friends. I would never do that to her, it's fucking bullshit. She even admitted that she's been thinking about him and she might've made a mistake.

Excuse me if I'm mistaken about something here, but if she is dating or kissing or whatevering with you while she has a boyfriend, what tells you she won't do the same thing if you get with her?

I need some help getting a girlfirend. There's this one girl who I used to be friends with, but now we're just aquaintices who see each other in the hall. She has this gay skinny skater douche of a boyfriend and Im sure she dates him because she thinks that all she can get. But I don't know what to do. Help?

ok, so, SITREP: she broke up with me yesterday after 6 weeks... or really I should say that she had a friend break up with me. The whole "she likes you as a friend, but not a boy friend" bit. And apparently she was afraid to talk to me about it. To put it bluntly, if she's not dating this one other guy, let's call him Andy, by Tuesday, I'll be shocked.
As well, as my friends are telling me about the stuff going around school, apparently she's a perpetual liar (and I had been figuring that out), and apparently everyone seems to think I'm above her.
...I'm fine with her breaking up with me, I would have in the next several days, but... really.

At 10/14/09 10:28 PM, PhoenixTails wrote: Excuse me if I'm mistaken about something here, but if she is dating or kissing or whatevering with you while she has a boyfriend, what tells you she won't do the same thing if you get with her?

I've asked her this. She said he'd never talk to her again, and be extremely mad about her, and she'd never have feelings for her again because she'd truly know I was the one. I saw her last night and we made out. We were supposed to be alone in her room to do more but her dad didn't leave so we saw each other for an hour and a half at midnight. I made a list so I can improve myself and win her back. I haven't texted her yet, as I told her I wouldn't this weekend.d when she was with him.

So I went to a birthday party today and we played spin the bottle/kiss or strip, and every time it pointed at me, the girls were just taking off a shoe or sock or something, so I was all like
"Fuck this"
and so I quit and was playing my ukulele on the couch.
Then the birthday girl comes over and is talking to me, and she has a boyfriend, so she doesn't like me or anything, but she gave me a kiss just because nobody was.. There wasn't a fabled spark or anything because it wasn't the one, but finally, I got it.
Then I went back to the circle eventually, and I ended up kissing 2 other girls as well.
So, I am no closer to a girlfriend, or someone I can tell my secrets, and it doesn't really count because it was a game/my friends and not people I'm romantically involved with, but now I've kissed a girl.
There.
I can say it.
PHEW.
Thank Jeebus.
I'm kind of happy now, it gave me a bit of a confidence boost that I needed, and now, I might be able to ask out the girl I DO like right now, she is in to painting and art and stuff like me, so I might ask her out soon :)

At 10/18/09 02:37 AM, Spaghetti14 wrote:

I'm kind of happy now, it gave me a bit of a confidence boost that I needed, and now, I might be able to ask out the girl I DO like right now, she is in to painting and art and stuff like me, so I might ask her out soon :)

DO IT
btw there was no tits?

Hello! I come here not asking for advice, I think, but as to update, I'm not even sure when my last post was but, I think it was a while ago. ANYWAYS, A couple weeks ago, I asked the boy I like (same one btw) if he wanted to go bowling for one of my friend's party. He said yeah, but he had to work that night and would try to stop by, he was too tired, so he text me and said, Sorry I was really tired and I had to work late."

Well. This past week, I asked if he wanted to see Paranormal Activity with just me, because I thought maybe he doesn't want to hang out with my other friends. And he said yes if his friend isn't coming down to visit from college that day.

I'm really nervous though because I've never been anywhere before with just me and a guy. And he's a really awkward boy, so it'll be even more awkward.

Hey guys, need some quick advice. Here's the story:

The girl's name is Michelle, and I've sort of had a crush on her for awhile. In preschool we were sort of friends, and we've always been in the same class, and now we're both Seniors. Every year, there's homecoming and our class builds a float. The class has always built it at Michelle's place because she has a large yard, and last year and this year I've found myself spending some time with her building this float and sort of liking her. But once the float building was over, we would pretty much go our own ways. But this year she asked me for my cell number, and so I've been texting her. I was able to get her to hang out with me. That happened today actually. It was just the 2 of us. I went over to her place and we agreed to go see a movie (Invention of Lying) and then we went out and had pizza. I then drove her home to drop her off, her mom called her and said she had to be home by 5. The whole time I've been thinking about how I liked her, and we were flirting the whole time. But there's always that fine line of what's flirting and what's just joking. Well, when I dropped her off, the song Blower's Daughter came on (if you haven't heard it, go take a listen. It's really good). She stayed in the car to listen to the whole song, and when it was over, there was sort of this awkward pause (as you can imagine the end of that song would be when sitting in a car with a girl you like) and so she was getting ready to get out, and I wanted to make sure this didn't just end and become nothing, and have her think this was some random, pointless hanging out of friends. To me, it was a bit more. So I held my hand out, and she put her hand in mine, thinking she was shaking my hand, but I didn't, I held her hand and kissed her hand and said "I'll see you next time". It was kind of well done haha, like it wasn't as awkward as I was afraid it would be, I think I played it well. Anyway, she was surprised and didn't know what to say and said "ok, bye" or something, and left. I know that sounds like she was freaked, but i don't think she was, i think i just really caught her off guard. The problem is, she has a bf.
Well, she just texted me through facebook twice:

Michelle(7:16):
Hey. Um, I don't really understand what happened today. At the end, in the car, before I left. Um, not in a mean way, but what the hell was that?
Michelle(7:21):
Was it a polite gesture? Or something else?

I'm not sure how to reply. I was going to say something like "It's up to you" or "It's whatever you want it to be" but I have no idea now...

Well, what do you think? What should I say?

At 10/23/09 07:34 PM, TheWolfe wrote: Well, she just texted me through facebook twice:

Michelle(7:16):
Hey. Um, I don't really understand what happened today. At the end, in the car, before I left. Um, not in a mean way, but what the hell was that?
Michelle(7:21):
Was it a polite gesture? Or something else?

I'm not sure how to reply. I was going to say something like "It's up to you" or "It's whatever you want it to be" but I have no idea now...

Well, what do you think? What should I say?

It sounds like you messed up a little bit.
I don't know, you've probably already said something by now, considering it's two days later, but just be honest.
Say something like "I thought it would be a classy thing to do and i'm sorry if it weirded you out"
But don't make too big of a deal out of it either, you don't really want to blow it out of proportions.
Good job before that though, sounds like a fun time!

At 10/25/09 06:43 PM, Spaghetti14 wrote: It sounds like you messed up a little bit.
I don't know, you've probably already said something by now, considering it's two days later, but just be honest.
Say something like "I thought it would be a classy thing to do and i'm sorry if it weirded you out"
But don't make too big of a deal out of it either, you don't really want to blow it out of proportions.
Good job before that though, sounds like a fun time!

Gee, thanks.
I don't feel like reposting everything, so just check it out here:

http://www.teenhut.net/dating-relationsh ips/81511-we-just-friends.html#post23332 60

At 10/26/09 01:23 AM, TheWolfe wrote: Gee, thanks.
I don't feel like reposting everything, so just check it out here:

http://www.teenhut.net/dating-relationsh ips/81511-we-just-friends.html#post23332 60

After reading that, it makes you kind of seem like a creeper.
Even if you like someone, you don't kiss their hand if they have a boyfriend already.
For one, barely any people kiss hands anymore, so it's a little odd.
Also, they have someone already, leave kissing and stuff to THEM.

On the flipside, I know what you were going through, just recently, I had gone on 2 or 3 "date" type things with the same girl (she was single though), where we would just hang out the two of us, lie in the grass together, go get food together, they were really fun days.
Then when I asked her to homecoming, well, she said yes and then changed her mind. The full story should actually be just a bit higher on this page. So I kind of know what you're going/what you went through..

At 10/27/09 06:18 PM, Spaghetti14 wrote: The full story should actually be just a bit higher on this page. So I kind of know what you're going/what you went through..

Actually, it isn't higher on this page.
But it's here.
Sorry for the double post everybody..

At 10/27/09 06:18 PM, Spaghetti14 wrote:

After reading that, it makes you kind of seem like a creeper.

Gee, thanks.

Even if you like someone, you don't kiss their hand if they have a boyfriend already.

Because they must have a perfect relationship already, obviously,

For one, barely any people kiss hands anymore, so it's a little odd.

It's called being romantic...everyone else thought it was cute.

Also, they have someone already, leave kissing and stuff to THEM.

Ok I don't understand what you don't get about "I thought she liked me" but when you think someone likes you, you want them to start "kissing and stuff" with YOU, go figure.

On the flipside, I know what you were going through, just recently, I had gone on 2 or 3 "date" type things with the same girl (she was single though), where we would just hang out the two of us, lie in the grass together, go get food together, they were really fun days.
Then when I asked her to homecoming, well, she said yes and then changed her mind. The full story should actually be just a bit higher on this page. So I kind of know what you're going/what you went through..

No, that's different. You went on several play dates with a girl without making a move, effectively throwing yourself into the friends only trap, and then only when it was too late did you ask her to a meaningless highschool dance (Homecoming? Come on, Prom at least)

@TheWolfe: Chill out dude, no need to sound so hostile. He was just trying to help/empathize with you, even if it did sound a bit edgy. I'm going to be completely honest with you: your best option is to go with the last bit of advice Vincoid gave you the first time you posted the same exact story. Go for a girl that's not taken. This girl is with her boyfriend for a reason. If she really wanted to be with you instead of her current bf, she would be with you instead of her current bf. But she's not. You're making things a lot harder on yourself by going after a girl that's already taken, especially because it's clear that you don't have the skills to make it work right now. The harder you try to get her to like you, the more and more needy and desperate you're going to look, which will push her away very, VERY quickly.

Basically, go after a girl that's not taken. After all, a girl is just a girl. There are billions of other opportunities out there, ones that aren't already taken. Do yourself a favor and move on, before you cause yourself even more unneeded emotional pain. Do yourself a favor and read some of the posts by Vincoid in the past few pages, namely the ones about attraction. You should learn a lot.

At 10/27/09 06:31 PM, TheWolfe wrote:

At 10/27/09 06:18 PM, Spaghetti14 wrote:

After reading that, it makes you kind of seem like a creeper.

Gee, thanks.

No problem.

Even if you like someone, you don't kiss their hand if they have a boyfriend already.

Because they must have a perfect relationship already, obviously,

Well even if it's not a perfect relationship, it's not your place to say.

For one, barely any people kiss hands anymore, so it's a little odd.

It's called being romantic...everyone else thought it was cute.

Apparently not, otherwise you wouldn't be in this situation.

Also, they have someone already, leave kissing and stuff to THEM.

Ok I don't understand what you don't get about "I thought she liked me" but when you think someone likes you, you want them to start "kissing and stuff" with YOU, go figure.

I don't do something about it though, especially when they already have a significant other.
If I were to like someone in a relationship, I'll wait and see if the relationship they are in works out, and if not, then you can go from there.

On the flipside...So I kind of know what you're going/what you went through..

No, that's different. You went on several play dates with a girl without making a move, effectively throwing yourself into the friends only trap, and then only when it was too late did you ask her to a meaningless highschool dance (Homecoming? Come on, Prom at least)

No, trust me, I made several moves, and they were just as much play dates as yours were.. And it wasn't too late really, I guess I'm just not the boyfriend material for her, which is kind of irrelevant, because this is about you, not me.

And listen to Knorpfdog, he has good advice. I WAS just trying to empathize with you, you don't have to be insulting me just because your situation didn't work out. You're being unnecessarily hostile here, because of your own failures. So stop calling me out on mine because you're too insecure about your own.
Obviously, if you had done things right, you wouldn't be here complaining about it.