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At 1/10/09 08:11 PM, Everlasting-Elements wrote:

Uh, me personally, I don't talk about other girls that often, lest I think a girl is pretty, but I don't talk about banging them. Maybe he's trying to make you jealous or something, but I'm not sure. Your boyfriend sounds pretty lame, to be honest.

Hes not all that bad just sometimes says the wrong thing at the wrong time. I can only be kind and smile for so long then I had to say something. I asked him to stop cuz it made me feel uneasy and he did for
a day.

At 1/11/09 12:16 AM, Zack wrote: Vincoid whats your take on the RSD boys? Also have you ever tested the Juggler method in field? Just curious is all.. .you seem like a guy that knows his stuff.

RSD Boys? I think they're pretty awesome actually. I've heard some of them as guest speakers in David DeAngelo's stuff and they give good advice and know what they're doing.

I don't know the Juggler methog under that name though, so I don't really know what it's all about. It's something like a jealous girlfriend opener isn't it?

At 1/11/09 03:46 AM, HotHoboSex wrote: Hes not all that bad just sometimes says the wrong thing at the wrong time. I can only be kind and smile for so long then I had to say something. I asked him to stop cuz it made me feel uneasy and he did for
a day.

I'm not sure what he's trying to get at by saying these things to you. Telling you he turned down sex from a stripper might be to show you he can be faithful, or he might be showing that he can get someone else in order to make you work for his love. I really don't know as it could be different things.

On the matter of banging your friends though, I can't tell. Maybe he's simply very sexual, maybe he likes to talk and in doing that says a lot of stupid things, or maybe he's trying to make you jealous. I can't tell unless I know more about your boyfriend, as in, what he's like.

As for getting rid of this problem, if this behaviour of his makes you feel uneasy, you should never cover it by being kind. There is no reason for you to accept his stupid behaviour at the cost of feeling bad.
I suggest you start saying things about it every time from now on. He's already shown that he can actually control it, but if you keep reminding him to do so, it could cause him to stop doing it entirely.

At 1/11/09 05:26 AM, Vincoid wrote:

I suggest you start saying things about it every time from now on. He's already shown that he can actually control it, but if you keep reminding him to do so, it could cause him to stop doing it entirely.

Yup I talked To him about it. well text. I got bunch of Lols but I guess thats progress haha. Still I hope he understands the way I feel.

Hopefully I don't scare you with this question, but do you feel awkward or offended if he talks to you about sex?
It's important, if you want to have a decent relationship that you can talk about sex freely
I let myself go sometimes toward my GF and I dare make some lewd ambiguous remarks and I would tell her if I find a girl hot sometimes. (or when I dreamt about sex, even if it wasn't with her) I told her, of course I wasn't really obsessed with it and mostly it is a bit my kind of humor.

Also important, is he mature enough in other aspects? Cause I don't really buy the fact that a stripper offered to have sex with him. That sounds like a story that you can find enough of here on the BBS general section.

Well I shouldn't Let it get to me. Unless he does cheat but still. I feel better if he just stops and if he doesn't I can just talk to him about it.
Thanks!

Juggler AKA Wayne Elise is another pick up artist that I really enjoy, you should check out his website http://www.charismaarts.com/

let me know if you like it and i can get you his book i have it as a pdf on my computer, it's a really great read.

Posting to recommend David DeAngelo's "Sex Secrets".

Remember, David's stuff costs money, but so does music.

If you can't figure out what that means you are really dense.

At 1/11/09 08:48 PM, Zack wrote: Juggler AKA Wayne Elise is another pick up artist that I really enjoy, you should check out his website http://www.charismaarts.com/

let me know if you like it and i can get you his book i have it as a pdf on my computer, it's a really great read.

His materials seem to be pretty solid. Go ahead and send me that pdf, I'll give it a read and let you know what I think about it. Here's my e-mail: VincoidAnimations@Gmail.com

At 1/11/09 11:59 PM, PhoenixTails wrote: Posting to recommend David DeAngelo's "Sex Secrets".

Damn straight! This thing has changed so much for me it's unreal. Anyone should read it.

Remember, David's stuff costs money, but so does music.

If you can't figure out what that means you are really dense.

;D

You know... I really hope we didn't help EVERYONE out. . . .

Anyways, I guess to get some things flowing. Today, Monday, when I go to see Sarah, we're gonna hang around with a few other people for a bit. Then when they jet, I'm gonna stay the night with her. I figure I should spend some time with her, since I haven't spoke to her much, since Friday.

Anyways, apparently, she's supposed to ask me out, tomorrow, too. I think tomorrow is gonna be a good day. I won't feel like a user, anymore.

At 1/12/09 04:35 AM, Everlasting-Elements wrote: Anyways, apparently, she's supposed to ask me out, tomorrow, too. I think tomorrow is gonna be a good day. I won't feel like a user, anymore.

That's great man. Keep us informed will you? ;)

I think im taking one of the girls Im trying for home today. Is there anything I should do to move the relationship further?

At 1/12/09 07:15 AM, CH4ZM4N92 wrote: I think im taking one of the girls Im trying for home today. Is there anything I should do to move the relationship further?

Escalate. Do this buy building comfort with her, by touching her (small things like touching her hand or shoulder first, then escalate into more intimate and more frequent touching) and by building sexual tension.

Oh ok. Il try that today when I can. Thanks Vin.

I have been having an online on again off again relationship with a goddess in belguim for about a year now (i live in the UK) we were in love with each other and things were going great for a while but then the long distance relationship thing really sank in and it was tough and we were constantly having arguments about trivival things which led to us being on again and off again but now she has moved on with a new bf and i havent... i still love her alot but she says she doesnt love me anymore and her new bf even sent me a messege and i quote "at least she is sucking my cock instead of yours ^^" and i thought i knew pain before but this was something else (i didnt actually know they were sleeping together) but the thing that added injury to insult was she didnt really care that much that he has said that to me and when i threatened to cut his fucking heart out she said over my dead body so she really cares for this cunt but i love her and want her back so what should i do?

At 1/13/09 04:58 PM, void123 wrote: I have been having an online on again off again relationship with a goddess in belguim for about a year now (i live in the UK) we were in love with each other and things were going great for a while but then the long distance relationship thing really sank in and it was tough and we were constantly having arguments about trivival things which led to us being on again and off again but now she has moved on with a new bf and i havent... i still love her alot but she says she doesnt love me anymore and her new bf even sent me a messege and i quote "at least she is sucking my cock instead of yours ^^" and i thought i knew pain before but this was something else (i didnt actually know they were sleeping together) but the thing that added injury to insult was she didnt really care that much that he has said that to me and when i threatened to cut his fucking heart out she said over my dead body so she really cares for this cunt but i love her and want her back so what should i do?

I know how tough on-line/long distance relationships can be and unless you're both absolutely dedicated and committed to making it work, it will fall to pieces. It looks like her heart wasn't really in it, and she wanted something closer to home and more tangible. She may not be the person you thought she was if she's being so callous about the entire ordeal.

I think you need to move on from her. If she were worth getting back she wouldn't be as heartless as you say she's being at the moment.

It'll be hard to get over her, but give yourself some time to deal and you'll be alright.

i know i should but atm it hurts so bad and i dont think i will ever get over her and im also scared i wont find anyone else (i dont exactly have my pick of the girls

At 1/13/09 05:00 PM, void123 wrote: i know i should but atm it hurts so bad and i dont think i will ever get over her and im also scared i wont find anyone else (i dont exactly have my pick of the girls

Chances are, you're relatively young, so it's far too early to even think about who you may/may not find. You need to just worry about getting on with life in general and enjoying the time you have. If you're happy with yourself and your position in life, women will be attracted to you and you may find yourself with more of a pick than you ever thought. You needn't be so hard on yourself. Allow time for your heart to heal and know that you'll be alright.

It hurts now, but it'll get better.

If you haven't actually met the lass then why should you really give a fuck?

Go and get a real girlfriend who you can see face to face, rather than waste your time pining over a random from the internet.

At 1/13/09 05:10 PM, BrockManson wrote: If you haven't actually met the lass then why should you really give a fuck?

Go and get a real girlfriend who you can see face to face, rather than waste your time pining over a random from the internet.

well its not exactly like ive spent a year talking to some random person who could be a 50 year olf guy

well i need something to take my mind off of things and alcohol isnt working so im gonna try and sleep but this stuff is really helping so keep saying comforting things like that so i will feel good when i check back tommorow

At 1/12/09 07:04 AM, Vincoid wrote: That's great man. Keep us informed will you? ;)

Sheeit, man. You think I'd let you guys sit there hanging? Nah...

Yesterday, I got there around 8 and I was pretty high. I've noticed that I tend to lose emotions when I'm high. It's odd. I didn't feel attraction towards anything really. I have found, that I can hold a load 300% longer when I'm stoned. It numbs my body... But yeah. We slept together, and the night was good. Went to school, did exams and shit. Whatever.
I was gonna go home after school, but I ended up riding with her home. We had a good time. We um... found a new meaning for a bathroom. I didn't know you could use it for more than a shitter and a shower... I learned something new. =] However, the question has not popped yet. I'm still single. Perhaps I'm not doing as good as I thought I was?

At 1/14/09 12:59 AM, Everlasting-Elements wrote: Sheeit, man. You think I'd let you guys sit there hanging? Nah...

I was about to get worried... or something... ;D

Yesterday, I got there around 8 and I was pretty high. I've noticed that I tend to lose emotions when I'm high. It's odd. I didn't feel attraction towards anything really. I have found, that I can hold a load 300% longer when I'm stoned. It numbs my body... But yeah. We slept together, and the night was good. Went to school, did exams and shit. Whatever.

You took a shit? How's that something I want to know? :P

I was gonna go home after school, but I ended up riding with her home. We had a good time. We um... found a new meaning for a bathroom. I didn't know you could use it for more than a shitter and a shower... I learned something new. =] However, the question has not popped yet. I'm still single. Perhaps I'm not doing as good as I thought I was?

Perhaps you're expecting too much? Seriously, don't worry about being single or her wanting to be your girlfriend. Just enjoy yourself and it'll happen when it happens.

I just feel like putting all this down, I've had a lot of stuff built up inside me for a while. Advise/comment as you see fit, I really appreciate anything and everything =).

It's been....3 months and 5 days since I started seeing my GF. It's all gone pretty well, and I don't really think there's anything to indicate she's lost interest in me, but that's the problem. I keep feeling like she's mad/annoyed/tired of me, and I don't know why. I've been getting WAY better, but I stress over really small, unimportant details sometimes.

Basically, it was amazing when we first started seeing each other. Now, it just seems like she's laughing less, acting less happy to be around me, etc. BUT, she also told me at the beginning of this month, something along the lines of "I might start acting weird/irritable until jan 25." Does that just mean it's her time of month? But isn't that supposed to be shorter than 3 weeks? :S. I don't know.

And besides that, there's one more problemish thing. At lunch (in high school :P) I usually sit with a few of my buddies, and then my GF comes over with one or two of her friends and sits with us. One of my friends clearly has something for my GF. He's always directing things at her, he seems too eager to make any sort of physical contact with her, all that. Now I used to be a very clingy, jealous guy, and while I've gotten rid of 99% of the clingyness, some of the jealousy is still with me. And when my GF laughs at some of the shit this kid says, it kills me inside. I stay calm on the outside, but I'm in despair on the inside. I just dunno what to do about it, because it doesn't seem like my GF has any sort of actual feelings for this kid, but I'm not the best at reading people, either.

At 1/14/09 05:09 PM, Knorpfdog wrote: It's been....3 months and 5 days since I started seeing my GF. It's all gone pretty well, and I don't really think there's anything to indicate she's lost interest in me, but that's the problem. I keep feeling like she's mad/annoyed/tired of me, and I don't know why. I've been getting WAY better, but I stress over really small, unimportant details sometimes.

You're just sketching out, man. You should definately stop doing that. You're, most likely, stressing over nothing. If you think you're failing, step your game up and play it with a different set of dice man. If you think you're failing, sit down and analyze certain things.

Basically, it was amazing when we first started seeing each other. Now, it just seems like she's laughing less, acting less happy to be around me, etc. BUT, she also told me at the beginning of this month, something along the lines of "I might start acting weird/irritable until jan 25." Does that just mean it's her time of month? But isn't that supposed to be shorter than 3 weeks? :S. I don't know.

Or perhaps she has some sort of an illness, where she loses her personality if she doesn't have her pills. So, maybe she can't afford to get her pills to make her mellow out. Maybe?

And besides that, there's one more problemish thing. At lunch (in high school :P) I usually sit with a few of my buddies, and then my GF comes over with one or two of her friends and sits with us. One of my friends clearly has something for my GF. He's always directing things at her, he seems too eager to make any sort of physical contact with her, all that. Now I used to be a very clingy, jealous guy, and while I've gotten rid of 99% of the clingyness, some of the jealousy is still with me. And when my GF laughs at some of the shit this kid says, it kills me inside. I stay calm on the outside, but I'm in despair on the inside. I just dunno what to do about it, because it doesn't seem like my GF has any sort of actual feelings for this kid, but I'm not the best at reading people, either.

You sir. Stop! You see, perhaps that's just a test. To see if you'll bitch out, er some shit. Obviously, if this is the case, you're failing this test. It's great that you're able to contain it, though. Seriously, think of it like this. Who is the one that gets to kiss her on a regular basis? Mmhm, that's right. So stop fretting and let them balls drop, buddy. =]

At 1/14/09 05:48 PM, Everlasting-Elements wrote:

At 1/14/09 05:09 PM, Knorpfdog wrote: It's been....3 months and 5 days since I started seeing my GF. It's all gone pretty well, and I don't really think there's anything to indicate she's lost interest in me, but that's the problem. I keep feeling like she's mad/annoyed/tired of me, and I don't know why. I've been getting WAY better, but I stress over really small, unimportant details sometimes.

You're just sketching out, man. You should definately stop doing that. You're, most likely, stressing over nothing. If you think you're failing, step your game up and play it with a different set of dice man. If you think you're failing, sit down and analyze certain things.

Worrying itself is often the root of the problem. You think you see a problem, you start worrying, and by doing that you create a problem. What suck is that if you go through with this, things will go wrong and you'll say to yourself: "See, I was right", causing even more trouble in the future.

What you need to do, just like EE said, is relax. Understand that if there is a problem at all, it's most likely you being worried about nothing. Don't fall into this trap and enjoy your time with this girl.

I always like to think of it in this way: "He who's most afraid of losing something is the one who's most likely to lose it", just as it's equal opposite: "He who's least interested in getting something, is the one who's most likely to get it". Think about it and apply it to yourself.

Basically, it was amazing when we first started seeing each other. Now, it just seems like she's laughing less, acting less happy to be around me, etc. BUT, she also told me at the beginning of this month, something along the lines of "I might start acting weird/irritable until jan 25." Does that just mean it's her time of month? But isn't that supposed to be shorter than 3 weeks? :S. I don't know.

Maybe there's something on the 25th that she's worried about.

As for first seeing, it's always just a little bit more exciting in the beginning. That's when you meet someone new, get to know them better, experience the high of being together. After that it can get a bit less, but depending on the things you do, you decide wether it goes up again or goes down.

And besides that, there's one more problemish thing. At lunch (in high school :P) I usually sit with a few of my buddies, and then my GF comes over with one or two of her friends and sits with us. One of my friends clearly has something for my GF. He's always directing things at her, he seems too eager to make any sort of physical contact with her, all that. Now I used to be a very clingy, jealous guy, and while I've gotten rid of 99% of the clingyness, some of the jealousy is still with me. And when my GF laughs at some of the shit this kid says, it kills me inside. I stay calm on the outside, but I'm in despair on the inside. I just dunno what to do about it, because it doesn't seem like my GF has any sort of actual feelings for this kid, but I'm not the best at reading people, either.

You sir. Stop! You see, perhaps that's just a test. To see if you'll bitch out, er some shit. Obviously, if this is the case, you're failing this test. It's great that you're able to contain it, though. Seriously, think of it like this. Who is the one that gets to kiss her on a regular basis? Mmhm, that's right. So stop fretting and let them balls drop, buddy. =]

EE's right, you need to stop bitching and start realizing what's really going on. Too many guys see a guy with interest and think they're about to lose their girl. Don't you have any faith in your girl? Or even worse, don't you have any faith in yourself?

What this guy wants and what this guy thinks is irrelevant. His thinking and his needs won't have any positive effect for him on your girl. In fact, if he starts to go all out to get her, he'll simply come across as needy.

You're containing the emotion though and that's good because it keeps your relationship healthy. However, a healthy mind is more important then that because a troubled mind is more likely to make mistakes and trouble itself even more (by worrying).
There is a reason why this girl is with you and that's because she's attracted to you, which you have yourself to thank for. This is a fact that should rule out any form of jealousy, as she wouldn't be with you if she wanted to be with him.

At 1/14/09 05:09 PM, Knorpfdog wrote: It's been....3 months and 5 days since I started seeing my GF. It's all gone pretty well, and I don't really think there's anything to indicate she's lost interest in me, but that's the problem. I keep feeling like she's mad/annoyed/tired of me, and I don't know why. I've been getting WAY better, but I stress over really small, unimportant details sometimes.

I say confront her with it, if you see any doubts. Or subtly ask if she needs more excitement. But lovebugs die eventually anyway and then you just get along with eachother.

Basically, it was amazing when we first started seeing each other. Now, it just seems like she's laughing less, acting less happy to be around me, etc. BUT, she also told me at the beginning of this month, something along the lines of "I might start acting weird/irritable until jan 25." Does that just mean it's her time of month? But isn't that supposed to be shorter than 3 weeks? :S. I don't know.

I say that's probably the time of the month (my GF says it flat out also at least), or you could ask further if you're really doubting. Is she the girl that's shy about her body, or would she flat out say if it's that time?

And besides that, there's one more problemish thing. At lunch (in high school :P) I usually sit with a few of my buddies, and then my GF comes over with one or two of her friends and sits with us. One of my friends clearly has something for my GF. He's always directing things at her, he seems too eager to make any sort of physical contact with her, all that. Now I used to be a very clingy, jealous guy, and while I've gotten rid of 99% of the clingyness, some of the jealousy is still with me. And when my GF laughs at some of the shit this kid says, it kills me inside. I stay calm on the outside, but I'm in despair on the inside. I just dunno what to do about it, because it doesn't seem like my GF has any sort of actual feelings for this kid, but I'm not the best at reading people, either.

I flirt around with girls all the time and they laugh along anyway. (I can be really in the mood) It doesn't mean I'm aiming for a relationship with them. I'm even willing to help them out with stuff voluntarily. I'm just that kind of gentleman. Maybe your friend is the same way.

Also, her reactions can be just her being a social extravert type. Does that fit her personality with other type of friends?

Anyway, it's a dangerous assumption that friendly actions between a guy and a girl equal a sexual tension, cause chances are you're wrong and then you kill the relationship forever. (or you'll become a bastard who hits his girl for spending time with friends)

At 1/15/09 12:17 PM, RubberTrucky wrote: I say confront her with it, if you see any doubts. Or subtly ask if she needs more excitement. But lovebugs die eventually anyway and then you just get along with eachother.

If I was a girl, and a guy came up to me about me 'not laughing as much' I'd say 'We're done.' What guy bitched about that? Honestly, no. If you confront her, you will fail most definately.
Do your best to try and change up your dialogue. Don't say the same thing all the time and be on your toes. Ready for anything. A hard skill to aquire yes, I mean sheeit, I was born with the talent, and I still fuck up on it. Remember! Always keep them guessing.

I flirt around with girls all the time and they laugh along anyway. (I can be really in the mood) It doesn't mean I'm aiming for a relationship with them. I'm even willing to help them out with stuff voluntarily. I'm just that kind of gentleman. Maybe your friend is the same way.

I think you might, actually, have something on this one, though. You see, I flirt with girls all the time. Why? I don't know, honestly. I'm only interested in one, but like... when I decide to be a nice kid, I flirt with girls. It's just a kind flirting, though. Nothing really like trying to get with them.
Your girlfriend could also be trying to be nice, I mean they are YOUR friends. She's probably trying for you.

Anyway, it's a dangerous assumption that friendly actions between a guy and a girl equal a sexual tension, cause chances are you're wrong and then you kill the relationship forever. (or you'll become a bastard who hits his girl for spending time with friends)

True. Partially. He won't hit a girl though. I'm not saying a dude is something if he can hit a girl, but judging by the way you worry about nothing, your girlfriend would probably kick your ass, man. Nothing to be ashamed of I guess. The girl I'm seeing could beat my ass, too. Provided, I don't hit back. Which, I won't. But still. I think he's too soft to do that.

Thanks for all the input. First, yeah, I would NEVER physically harm any girl, let alone my girl. That's why I don't show any feelings of jealousy on the outside, because I HATE those people that are so jealous that they prevent their gf/bf from even talking to people of the opposite sex. I will never become one of those people.

About the jan 25th thing, I think i might just casually ask her about it. Just drop something small like "so, what's all this about the 25?" good idea? bad idea?

About my friend, I'm 99% positive I'm reading him right. I know what you're saying about the harmless flirting, seeing that I'll often do it myself, and I don't think he's just trying to be nice/friendly. And as for her trying to be nice to him for me, I don't really think so, just because our two groups meshed REALLY well, ie her friends are my friends, my friends are her friends now.

But I think you got it with that first part, EE (is it cool if I call you that? :P), because I've thought about it and whenever she says "what's up?" or anything to that effect, my answer's often "nothing", "not much", etc. So I tried to be a bit better today, more interesting, all that good shit, and I think it turned out pretty well. I can be REALLY good at teasing/drawing a reaction when I want to.

Besides all that though, I still just feel like something's wrong. I've tried to make myself relax, and it'll work for around an hour. Then I'll let myself start to worry about things, and it'll all come rushing back at me. She's still talking to me, hugging me, kissing me, walking with me, doing shit outside of school with me, everything. But I still worry about it all. I dunno why.

On another note, we've been hanging at each others' houses for the past couple of weekends, I think I'll see if she wants to catch a movie or something this weekend. Change things up a bit.

At 1/15/09 03:39 PM, Knorpfdog wrote: About the jan 25th thing, I think i might just casually ask her about it. Just drop something small like "so, what's all this about the 25?" good idea? bad idea?

I think if she wanted to tell you, she would have... Something I've learned about people in this past week. If they don't tell you, don't ask. If they give you details, cool. If they just give you a basic outline, then take it and leave it. Don't pry, child.

About my friend, I'm 99% positive I'm reading him right. I know what you're saying about the harmless flirting, seeing that I'll often do it myself, and I don't think he's just trying to be nice/friendly. And as for her trying to be nice to him for me, I don't really think so, just because our two groups meshed REALLY well, ie her friends are my friends, my friends are her friends now.

Of course you don't. You're one of those guys that are in denial, sir. You see, if you would just seriously sit there... well, hold on, I'll explain this in a second...

But I think you got it with that first part, EE (is it cool if I call you that? :P), because I've thought about it and whenever she says "what's up?" or anything to that effect, my answer's often "nothing", "not much", etc. So I tried to be a bit better today, more interesting, all that good shit, and I think it turned out pretty well. I can be REALLY good at teasing/drawing a reaction when I want to.

Hahaha! If you're so good at teasing, my friend, then there should be no reason to fret about your friend. If you're as good as you think you are, then this chick will be all over you. Honestly... Think about this for like... five minutes.
It's Mr. EE, to you. =P Just playin'.

Besides all that though, I still just feel like something's wrong. I've tried to make myself relax, and it'll work for around an hour. Then I'll let myself start to worry about things, and it'll all come rushing back at me. She's still talking to me, hugging me, kissing me, walking with me, doing shit outside of school with me, everything. But I still worry about it all. I dunno why.

Because this is probably one of your first, maybe your first, serious relationships. I imagine, things will go great for a while, dude. But once things go wry, you'll just eventually come to the realization like I did. If you want to be the shit, you just gotta do what Vinc and I say. I can throw you basic things, and Vincoid will go into detail for you. Sheeit, jim.

On another note, we've been hanging at each others' houses for the past couple of weekends, I think I'll see if she wants to catch a movie or something this weekend. Change things up a bit.

Right on, right on. I would suggest something better. For instance, try ice skating. Or take a walk in the park. Honestly, going to the movie with a girl is A) Far too cliche, and B) Great. You got to see a movie, too bad you didn't spend that two hours raising attraction levels with her.
You can't get that level to rise if you're sitting in silence, man. Take her out to the park. Go on a walk, talk about yourself. Get to know a little about her. Do shit right, the first time. I promise, we won't steer you wrong.
I know, you're probably thinking we're full of shit. I mean, when I first talked in here coming for advice, I hated Vincoid, because he didn't tell me what I wanted to hear. He told me the facts. Straight. Had I listened to him from the get go, things might have been different. But oh well, I got another girl, now. She's sleeping on her couch right now, the only reason I'm online right now, but shit dude. I'm gonna do shit right. =]

At 1/11/09 08:48 PM, Zack wrote: Juggler AKA Wayne Elise is another pick up artist that I really enjoy, you should check out his website http://www.charismaarts.com/

let me know if you like it and i can get you his book i have it as a pdf on my computer, it's a really great read.

Got it, read it, loved it. Really great for learning how to be a conversationalist, especially with women. I learned some great new things from this ebook, as well as get some in depth info on some of the things I was already doing.

@ Knorpfdog: How much do you hang out with her in a week? How many hours?