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At 12/13/08 01:34 AM, ParadoxVoid wrote:

At 12/12/08 10:32 PM, Sparkpro wrote: I really don't see whats the big deal with spam and chain grabs. I mean other people have found ways around that stuff to the point were its not a problem for them and I don't really mind it when people use those techniques against me.

Also, who's to say these people aren't having fun. People keep going to these tournaments so obviously they're having fun despite the lack of "fair play" or" honor." What makes your fun more valid than their fun?

I have to agree with Sparkpro here. Those tactics, while they can be annoying, aren't that too hard to get around if you do it right. And if you're smart about it, you can turn the predictability of these tactics into good counters.
And as for the guys at Smashboards not having fun, I think they obviously are, since otherwise I doubt anyone would put so many hours into a game if they didn't enjoy it.
And isn't everyone "playing to win" as you put it? We don't play Smash with the intention of losing do we? We might have a fun game while doing it, but we all want to win in the end, don't we?

Some tactics are infinite, like the Ice Climbers chaingrabs or the King Dedede chaingrabs.
Most tournaments have banned these infinite tactics though, Ice Climbers are only allowed to do 3 grabs in a row in some tourneys. And it's almost impossible to win from a good Metaknight player, that's why they banned Metaknight at some tournaments. I still think that the guys are having fun, but I think they'd choose winning above fun. What money can do, heh?

So much nubness.

I'll reply to this stuff later, noaw sleep tiem.

At 12/13/08 05:09 AM, Nikenick wrote: Some tactics are infinite, like the Ice Climbers chaingrabs or the King Dedede chaingrabs.
Most tournaments have banned these infinite tactics though, Ice Climbers are only allowed to do 3 grabs in a row in some tourneys.

And in tourneys where those tactics are allowed the ice climbers barely ever win they don't even place in the top eight all the time. I can only name one player of the top of my head that that can do anything with them. If those chain grabs are so powerful why aren't they winning every tournament ever?

King Dedede can only infinite DK and Bowser, that is only 2 characters. Yes I said two because with Mario, Luigi, and Samus Dedede can only do the standing chain grab 5 times after that the move becomes too stale to do again and Dedede has to pummel 5 times to refresh it. At that point those characters can break out and it has been shown that characters can do an instant grab break as high as 130%.

And it's almost impossible to win from a good Metaknight player, that's why they banned Metaknight at some tournaments.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.ph p?t=165954

Meta knight only has 26% of all the winnings that shows that other characters are winning despite how good meta knight is. Plus there are characters that go close to even with him like Snake, Diddy, DK, ZSS , Falco, and there are bunch that don't completely suck against. It's just required to be better than your opponent.

I still think that the guys are having fun, but I think they'd choose winning above fun. What money can do, heh?

Getting money from playing a video game? Sound like a lot of fun to me.

You know what would have been a great idea for Brawl?
Instead of having Pokemon Trainer, why not have Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle as separate playable characters in the game. And depending on how well each starter pokemon does, they evolve on to their next phase in battle.

At 12/13/08 02:23 PM, Truth wrote: You know what would have been a great idea for Brawl?
Instead of having Pokemon Trainer, why not have Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle as separate playable characters in the game. And depending on how well each starter pokemon does, they evolve on to their next phase in battle.

Sounds kind of cool. But how would the next makers of the next smash bros implement this, and not make them "broken"?

At 12/13/08 02:27 PM, kRaZyAzN wrote:

At 12/13/08 02:23 PM, Truth wrote: You know what would have been a great idea for Brawl?
Instead of having Pokemon Trainer, why not have Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle as separate playable characters in the game. And depending on how well each starter pokemon does, they evolve on to their next phase in battle.

Sounds kind of cool. But how would the next makers of the next smash bros implement this, and not make them "broken"?

Well, you can have them as like Zelda\Sheik. During the game, you can have them as starter pokemon, but during the battle, you can evolve. Though they can have a certain time for them to evolve. Lets say, into 2 minutes of the battle, they start flashing, signaling they can evolve. Take Bulbasour. He starts flashing, signaling he can evolve, then he evolves to Ivysaur, and the whole process starts again. When he flashes, you can evolve again.

But pretty much, all 3 starter pokemon 2nd evolve can make them slower and harder to use. But eh, thats my idea.

can i join

At 12/13/08 03:56 PM, EnjoiLove wrote:

At 12/13/08 02:27 PM, kRaZyAzN wrote:

At 12/13/08 02:23 PM, Truth wrote: You know what would have been a great idea for Brawl?
Instead of having Pokemon Trainer, why not have Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle as separate playable characters in the game. And depending on how well each starter pokemon does, they evolve on to their next phase in battle.

Sounds kind of cool. But how would the next makers of the next smash bros implement this, and not make them "broken"?

Well, you can have them as like Zelda\Sheik. During the game, you can have them as starter pokemon, but during the battle, you can evolve. Though they can have a certain time for them to evolve. Lets say, into 2 minutes of the battle, they start flashing, signaling they can evolve. Take Bulbasour. He starts flashing, signaling he can evolve, then he evolves to Ivysaur, and the whole process starts again. When he flashes, you can evolve again.

But pretty much, all 3 starter pokemon 2nd evolve can make them slower and harder to use. But eh, thats my idea.

What I mean is they evolve depending on how good they do in battle just like in the pokemon games. For example you start off as Squirtle, and you do a lot of damage to your opponent thereby making you evolve into Wartortle. You are now Wartortle for the rest of the match. Your attacks/strength has increased and maybe learned a new move or two.
You can't change back to your previous form unless you die.

This idea=Flawless

It actually sounds pretty awesome.

Is evolving mandatory? Or will it be down + B?

At 12/13/08 04:46 PM, Crink wrote: It actually sounds pretty awesome.

Is evolving mandatory? Or will it be down + B?

Evolving is mandatory. And they may learn different extra moves upon evolving. Like Charizard can fly, but not charmeleon. you know, because of the wings

At 12/13/08 04:58 PM, Truth wrote:

At 12/13/08 04:46 PM, Crink wrote: It actually sounds pretty awesome.

Is evolving mandatory? Or will it be down + B?

Evolving is mandatory. And they may learn different extra moves upon evolving. Like Charizard can fly, but not charmeleon. you know, because of the wings

Yeah, but then charmeleon would be gimped... right?

Nice idea, suggest it when they start making the next smash bros. game.

Blastoise would be awesome. He'd have such a great projectile. He'd be a water version of bowser :o
And Charmander would be SO cute, with his tail whip =3

I like your idea, Truth.

TOURNAMENT UPDATE
Cool beat GZ in the finals, and now Cool is just one more win away. All he has to do is win against the fighter who advances from the Loser's bracket to become the champion... again.

-Nick beats Underload in Loser's bracket and advances
-Azn beats Bstuk in Loser's bracket and advances

The Following Fights are awaiting progress:
'Truth vs Azn'
'Nick vs Crink'

At 12/13/08 04:58 PM, Truth wrote:

At 12/13/08 04:46 PM, Crink wrote: It actually sounds pretty awesome.

Is evolving mandatory? Or will it be down + B?

Evolving is mandatory. And they may learn different extra moves upon evolving. Like Charizard can fly, but not charmeleon. you know, because of the wings

But then you'll have to adapted to the new move set.

Loogie's chart:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u32/2 13932/ssbctourney-2.gif

At 12/13/08 03:59 PM, DarraghA wrote: can i join

sure!
just dont act like a complete idiot....

At 12/13/08 02:23 PM, Truth wrote: You know what would have been a great idea for Brawl?
Instead of having Pokemon Trainer, why not have Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle as separate playable characters in the game. And depending on how well each starter pokemon does, they evolve on to their next phase in battle.

It's an interesting idea, but I think it would be better to have three separate characters as opposed to "evolution." I think there would possibly still be a bit of lag when one character would evolve, and if it's mandatory, a forced evolution animation would ruin a combo, or worse, leave you exceptionally vulnerable (as with the case of the Pkmn trainer/Zelda switching), easy fodder for a charged Smash.

But this leads onto another train of thought- assuming Charizard, Ivysaur and Squirtle were all separate characters, what would their new DownB be?

At 12/13/08 09:00 PM, masterofkoolness wrote:

At 12/13/08 03:59 PM, DarraghA wrote: can i join

sure!
just dont act like a complete idiot....

like you masterofkoolness.

Oh Truth...

At 12/13/08 10:06 PM, kRaZyAzN wrote: like you masterofkoolness.

Oh Truth...

Way to set a good example, guys...

At 12/14/08 01:20 AM, ParadoxVoid wrote:

At 12/13/08 10:06 PM, kRaZyAzN wrote: like you masterofkoolness.

Oh Truth...

Way to set a good example, guys...

I, for one, must say this for everyone. EnjoiLove for mod 08!

I was scrolling through youtube for Mario combo's, till I saw this video catching my eye. Its not Mario related..but it kicked ass some what.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDoApXDW1 gM&feature=related

At 12/14/08 02:11 AM, EnjoiLove wrote: I was scrolling through youtube for Mario combo's, till I saw this video catching my eye. Its not Mario related..but it kicked ass some what.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDoApXDW1 gM&feature=related

Kirby? That was pretty good, but not amazing. And it said "If you're looking for pure rape combos use Ice climbers" lol.

Regarding the discussion of smashboards being filled with "tourneyfags": They put winning ahead of having fun. They'll do anything. Spam, camp, and a lot of them even decide to use broken characters so they can win, They admit to doing this JUST to win. Lots of threads in character boards saying "I'm leaving this ___ character to use (insert top tier character here).

yay, unbanned, lets get to business.

At 12/14/08 02:11 AM, EnjoiLove wrote: I was scrolling through youtube for Mario combo's, till I saw this video catching my eye. Its not Mario related..but it kicked ass some what.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDoApXDW1 gM&feature=related

Lol, Kirby combo video. it looks staged, like all others. a combo can basically only last 5 to 7 hits, if the proponent has common sense.

At 12/14/08 11:06 AM, kRaZyAzN wrote: Kirby? That was pretty good, but not amazing. And it said "If you're looking for pure rape combos use Ice climbers" lol.

meh. threre's truth in that.

At 12/14/08 01:50 AM, EnjoiLove wrote:

At 12/14/08 01:20 AM, ParadoxVoid wrote:

At 12/13/08 10:06 PM, kRaZyAzN wrote: like you masterofkoolness.

Oh Truth...

Way to set a good example, guys...

I, for one, must say this for everyone. EnjoiLove for mod 08!

Loogiesquared for Vice Mod.

At 12/13/08 09:00 PM, masterofkoolness wrote:

At 12/13/08 03:59 PM, DarraghA wrote: can i join

sure!
just dont act like a complete idiot....

unless someone tel you to, hen acting like an idot is allowed on the day before tommorow evening.

At 12/13/08 07:12 PM, kRaZyAzN wrote: Loogie's chart:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u32/2 13932/ssbctourney-2.gif

lazy bum:

At 12/14/08 01:50 AM, EnjoiLove wrote:

At 12/14/08 01:20 AM, ParadoxVoid wrote:

At 12/13/08 10:06 PM, kRaZyAzN wrote: like you masterofkoolness.

Oh Truth...

Way to set a good example, guys...

I, for one, must say this for everyone. EnjoiLove for mod 08!

I'll vote for you as mod 08 if you vote for me as mod 09 ;)

ok i join
Super Smash Brothers:
mario
dk

super smash bro. melee:
fox
mario

super smash bros. brawl:
sonic
mario
fox
toon link

At 12/14/08 11:35 AM, MARIOMASTER123123123 wrote: ok i join
Super Smash Brothers:
mario
dk

super smash bro. melee:
fox
mario

super smash bros. brawl:
sonic
mario
fox
toon link

Your name is to fake to be real :|

Crink for '08!

I'm cool, the cool guy himself said so.

can i join this crew i have super smash bros. brawl and melle.

At 12/14/08 12:29 PM, warfighter546 wrote: can i join this crew i have super smash bros. brawl and melle.

Melle, Germany?

At 12/14/08 12:29 PM, warfighter546 wrote: can i join this crew i have super smash bros. brawl and melle.

didn't you already try? And didn't we already tell you no?

At 12/14/08 01:13 PM, kRaZyAzN wrote:

At 12/14/08 12:29 PM, warfighter546 wrote: can i join this crew i have super smash bros. brawl and melle.

didn't you already try? And didn't we already tell you no?

omg, sig buddies.