goddamn Walmart...

[fli]

I am pissed. Knowingly hiring illegal immigrants first-- then calling on Immigration just before payday, now bastardizing cultures. Everyone must visit the pyramids, it is such an amazing experiance.

Coca-Cola exploits the natives at Chiapas, and now this!!!! I aer teh angrie faise >:-{

Walmart-- bastardizing culture

[superthing]

um... Explain further?
End With question?
form proper paragraph?

[witeshark]

Walmart is a grand contradiction. Cheap prices for us at the cost of shitty pay and treatment to workers. Classic economics at work

[BeFell]

Wal Mart is just trying to bring everyday low prices to people in dire need of them. Why do you want to deny the Mexican people a comfort most Americans take for granted?

o...ok.......

[Wraith]

At 9/3/04 09:37 PM, BeFell wrote: Wal Mart is just trying to bring everyday low prices to people in dire need of them. Why do you want to deny the Mexican people a comfort most Americans take for granted?

Maybe because they're building it next to 2,000 year old ruins that are considered a part of people's history? Hell, if Wal-mart tried to build a store near one of the local Choctaw burial mounds, you can bet there'd be some complaints. It's not that they don't want one, it's just that they could have chosen a better area to build it in.

[fli]

At 9/3/04 09:37 PM, BeFell wrote: Wal Mart is just trying to bring everyday low prices to people in dire need of them. Why do you want to deny the Mexican people a comfort most Americans take for granted?

Because it is going to be built right next to the pyramids, so goddamn tacky. We might as well build a Wall Mart right next the Statue of Liberty.

Another Walmart needed over there? There are 2 of them I believe that are less then a block away from each other right next to the Basilica.

[CI-Lain]

At 9/3/04 09:42 PM, spanishfli wrote:

At 9/3/04 09:37 PM, BeFell wrote: Wal Mart is just trying to bring everyday low prices to people in dire need of them. Why do you want to deny the Mexican people a comfort most Americans take for granted?

Because it is going to be built right next to the pyramids, so goddamn tacky. We might as well build a Wall Mart right next the Statue of Liberty.

Actually I would say building a Wal-Mart next to the statue of liberty is appropriate. It shows Americas history of using capitolism to oust small-buisness, fuck over the little guy, treat women as second class citizens and bring people in from other countires and use them as slave labour. Yep sounds like walmart is aprimne example of our nation

>_<

[BeFell]

At 9/3/04 09:52 PM, CI-Lain wrote:

At 9/3/04 09:42 PM, spanishfli wrote:

At 9/3/04 09:37 PM, BeFell wrote: Wal Mart is just trying to bring everyday low prices to people in dire need of them. Why do you want to deny the Mexican people a comfort most Americans take for granted?

Because it is going to be built right next to the pyramids, so goddamn tacky. We might as well build a Wall Mart right next the Statue of Liberty.

Your article said it wasn't in the historical area or whatever they call it. This is just another excuse to keep down the Mexicans. And I am sure lots of people would appreciate shopping conveniance when visiting Lady Liberty, it would certainly be better than the over priced gift shop.

Actually I would say building a Wal-Mart next to the statue of liberty is appropriate. It shows Americas history of using capitolism to oust small-buisness,

70% of the businesses in the United States are small businesses, if that's our goal we're doing a real half assed job of it.

treat women as second class citizens

Where the hell did that come from? God damn Hillary and Condi Rice they should be wearing hoods and most certainly should not be speaking in public.

and bring people in from other countires and use them as slave labour.

The last I checked immigrants were flocking to America because our working conditions and pay can't be beat. If they think it's slave labor they can stay in Mexico and admire their pyramids.

Yep sounds like walmart is aprimne example of our nation

Wal Mart is beautiful you snob.

[Iron-Butterfly]

Yea that's bullshit. I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart. They suck. They screw small\local buisinesses to create a monopoly. Once they have this monopoly, they'll jack up prices and rape us all. Also see CompUSA

[Thatotherguy]

I agree with most of the posters on this thread, Wal-Mart is an evil corporation that is a near monopoly. True, they provide affordable prices for people of lower income, which is a noble and good thing to do; HOWEVER, the reason they are able to have such cheap prices is because they hire workers at near slave labor prices, they often have cheap and poor quality products, and they usually have little or no compition in the towns that they are in. Target on the other hand has cheap prices (albeit not as cheap as Wal-Mart), a pleasant atmosphere, high quality products, and well paid workers. I don't like to sound snobish, but I'm just saying, Wal-Mart dosn't do it for the good of people, they do it for the money.

[CI-Lain]

OK heres the first part.

Women.
http://www.youareworthmore.org/printarticle105.html
Imigrants
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V123/N51/long_2_51.51w.html
small shops
first I would ask you to cite your stat.
Secondly is a personal story because where i live we have a super walmart. And upon its arrival multiple stores quickly went out fo buisness. Lets just say that everyone in my county hangs out at walmart on friday nmights.

also howcome walmart workers arnt unionized.

Anddamn befell just when I was starting to tolerate your blinf big buisness conservativism you had togo and do it agian.

I have no problemswith lowprices. Hell I have to shop at walmart. Its the only storein town I can get the stuff i need for college.. Except kroger...i generally go there for groceries.

Areas of small buisness do exist. In the city near me theres a road where the onlymajor chains existing are kroger and Starbucks. And starbucks has major competitionfroma coffee shop that flat out tastest betterand has turned intot he hang out of every liberal on the street,(the serve fair trade coffee)

[Redwrath]

Wal-Mart is good business, and only good business. It lowers prices, but also lowers incomes and average value of many things. Business alone does not take into consideration families, personal wellfare, flexible needs of people, etc. It is a perfect business, but drags many down economically, leaving them to need Wal-Mart's "low" prices. Price is only objective.

[Demosthenez]

Target? Bah. I personally prefer K-Mart. They are the Kings among vassals in discount super stores.

Lain, you sure gotta lotta anger. Glad it comes out here and not in the post office, lol.

"American tourists can go from the monuments to the Wal-Mart store and buy a rubber pyramid, made in Beijing."

Yeah that's what irks me the most about having an american multinational near a historical and religious landmark.

Oh and Spanishfli, what can you tell me about the Chiapas and Coca Cola? I haven't heard about that.

[BeFell]

At 9/3/04 10:29 PM, CI-Lain wrote: OK heres the first part.

Women.
http://www.youareworthmore.org/printarticle105.html
Imigrants
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V123/N51/long_2_51.51w.html

That certainly isn't the general practice in the US.

small shops
first I would ask you to cite your stat.

My stat came from my high school econ class. This site had every stat but the one I was looking for but it lets you see that small businesses are a big part of the US economy.

http://www.residual-rewards.com/smallbusinessstats.html

. Lets just say that everyone in my county hangs out at walmart on friday nmights.

I do, it's a cheap date.

also howcome walmart workers arnt unionized.

Because they are unskilled workers, what are they going to do strike? They would all be replaced in a week with minimal inconveniance to the employer.

Anddamn befell just when I was starting to tolerate your blinf big buisness conservativism you had togo and do it agian.

Um who are you?

I have no problemswith lowprices. Hell I have to shop at walmart. Its the only storein town I can get the stuff i need for college.. Except kroger...i generally go there for groceries.

You're bitching about Wal Mart killing small businesses and exploiting people but you still shop there? Thats just about the most hypocritical thing I have ever seen anybody admit too. If you don't like what they do don's support them, you have no right to speak out against their business practices if you take advantage of them.

Areas of small buisness do exist. In the city near me theres a road where the onlymajor chains existing are kroger and Starbucks. And starbucks has major competitionfroma coffee shop that flat out tastest betterand has turned intot he hang out of every liberal on the street,(the serve fair trade coffee)

I don't know what fair trade coffee is but I'm sure it's stupid and unnecesary.

[fli]

At 9/3/04 11:06 PM, ANGRY_HATE wrote: "American tourists can go from the monuments to the Wal-Mart store and buy a rubber pyramid, made in Beijing."

Yeah that's what irks me the most about having an american multinational near a historical and religious landmark.

Oh and Spanishfli, what can you tell me about the Chiapas and Coca Cola? I haven't heard about that.

Ever seen that movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy"? Yeah, same exact situation... except the natives, who talk the native languge of the Aztecs, a dying language, believe that Coca-Cola is an actual heavenly drink from the Gods and Saints. They are so malnurished that when they get a small sugar rush, they believe they're getting healthier, and consequently are giving their babies Coca-Cola instead of breast milk. They will give Coca-Cola to the sick and dying as medicine. And now there has been an increasing amount of diabeties within native populations. They are getting fat, even though they are malnurished and don't eat frequently.

This is in part due to Coca-Cola's years of trying to make a slogan in the dying Mexica language. From Nauhtl, to Spanish, to English, the slogan is "Coca-Cola: Drink of the Gods", and the people literally think that there are Gods along side with Saints.

US and Mexico doesn't care. The only people who care are the ones who hope their culture doesn't fade out.

My anger: Even in the most remotest parts of the world, they don't know what a television is, but they can easily recognize Joe Camal and Coca-Cola.

Walmart is now getting tacky in their ambtion of world expansion. The best thing about going to the Pyramids is the sense of awe. It is wonderful place to experiance true Mexican food, to talk the many merchants, and to buy works of art.

Goddamn Walmart.

At 9/3/04 11:12 PM, BeFell wrote: I don't know what fair trade coffee is but I'm sure it's stupid and unnecesary.

Let me ask you this then, do you believe in the thirteenth amendment? Please go educate yourself before making any more assumptions about fair-trade coffee.

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 9/3/04 11:12 PM, BeFell wrote: You're bitching about Wal Mart killing small businesses and exploiting people but you still shop there? Thats just about the most hypocritical thing I have ever seen anybody admit too. If you don't like what they do don's support them, you have no right to speak out against their business practices if you take advantage of them.

It's not that anyone's taking advantage of them, it's that they're taking advantage of everyone. Shut your pro-Bush/Cheney capitalist ass up and sit down and educate yourself for a second. The reason people purchase shit at Wal Mart is because their prices are cheap, ok no problem with that, but the reason their prices are so cheap is because they can fire their employees whenever the hell they see fit, remember they're a non-union corporation, they don't need reason to kick any employee out, nobody has their employee's backs, in other words, their employees are fucked. I for one, do not shop at walmart, never have, never will, fuck them, and fuck you.

I am a capitalist and for globalization all the way, but I'm not a Republican, I'm a democrat, and I'm not a Bush supporter, I'm a Kerry supporter, and I am definately not for exploitation like some corporate entities are. I'm willing to strive so that the company I am in makes great profits but not at the costs of other people's benefits or lives, that would be crossing the line, apparently you don't see the line or care much for it.

At 9/3/04 11:22 PM, spanishfli wrote: Ever seen that movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy"? Yeah, same exact situation... except the natives, who talk the native languge of the Aztecs, a dying language, believe that Coca-Cola is an actual heavenly drink from the Gods and Saints. They are so malnurished that when they get a small sugar rush, they believe they're getting healthier, and consequently are giving their babies Coca-Cola instead of breast milk. They will give Coca-Cola to the sick and dying as medicine. And now there has been an increasing amount of diabeties within native populations. They are getting fat, even though they are malnurished and don't eat frequently.

This is in part due to Coca-Cola's years of trying to make a slogan in the dying Mexica language. From Nauhtl, to Spanish, to English, the slogan is "Coca-Cola: Drink of the Gods", and the people literally think that there are Gods along side with Saints.

Son of a fuck, I only knew about Coca Cola's use of death squads against unionized workers in Colombia and have been boycotting them since, but this sure is the cherry on the shitcake.

Here are a few articles about Coca Cola that you might like to read.

Struggle against Coca Cola in Kerala
Democracy as a Contact Sport
Coca-Cola sued over death squad link

At 9/3/04 10:05 PM, BeFell wrote: Wal Mart is beautiful you snob.

Hhhhmm... yes, employing illegal immigrants at a fraction of minimum wage while denying real Americans the employment opportunity they deserve and avoiding proper tacing and defrauding the United States government.

Beautiful.

[Jimsween]

Why isn't anyone holding the Mexican government responsible?

You people shouldn't be suprised when corporations do something horrible, corporations are designed to do whatever it takes to deliver a profit, within the law, of course. There is good to that, they are so much more efficient than anything, but there is a reason we make so many laws to control them. They're like... an angry pitbull, when you let it out of it's cage, it will go wild on the first person it sees, but if you don't want it to come back and bite you on the ass you need to get a leash and a muzzle.

Maybe it's about time Mexico got rid of that retarded single party government?

Corporate responsability Jim?

Coca Cola

[Jimsween]

At 9/4/04 12:14 AM, ANGRY_HATE wrote: Corporate responsability Jim?

Coca Cola

OMDAWD CORPRATATIONS LIE?!!????

I was willing to ignore the murders.... but listening to them go back on thier word like that...

So you're placing the blame on a government that caved into corporation's demands, not the corporations.

[Jimsween]

At 9/4/04 12:45 AM, ANGRY_HATE wrote: So you're placing the blame on a government that caved into corporation's demands, not the corporations.

I think they both deserve criticism. But we don't, and shouldn't leave our moral questions up to the corporations. They should never have been allowed to decide whether or not they want to be good.

Ultimately, yes I blame the government more. Because the government is there to serve the people, if we wanted corporations to serve the people we would make them government run.

[thekinman]

At 9/3/04 09:37 PM, BeFell wrote: Wal Mart is just trying to bring everyday low prices to people in dire need of them. Why do you want to deny the Mexican people a comfort most Americans take for granted?

Um..i dunno, because maybe ( just maybe) to some people, ahvig their historical lands raped is less favourable than cheap crap. Apparently, to americans it wasnt.

[BeFell]

At 9/3/04 11:25 PM, ANGRY_HATE wrote:

At 9/3/04 11:12 PM, BeFell wrote: I don't know what fair trade coffee is but I'm sure it's stupid and unnecesary.

Let me ask you this then, do you believe in the thirteenth amendment? Please go educate yourself before making any more assumptions about fair-trade coffee.

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Amend.html

Article XIII.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/fairtrade/coffee/background.html

You made me visit a hippie site. Don't think you won't pay.

Ok there is absoulutely no correlation between the two so what's you point? After reading about the fair trade coffee I stand by my statement. It doesn't matter much anyways with my non coffee drinking Mormoness but if I did drink coffee I would make sure I got the not fair trade kind. Just like I try to buy the tuna that kills dolphins.=P

[BeFell]

At 9/3/04 11:34 PM, EnragedSephiroth wrote: It's not that anyone's taking advantage of them, it's that they're taking advantage of everyone. Shut your pro-Bush/Cheney capitalist ass up and sit down and educate yourself for a second. The reason people purchase shit at Wal Mart is because their prices are cheap, ok no problem with that, but the reason their prices are so cheap is because they can fire their employees whenever the hell they see fit, remember they're a non-union corporation, they don't need reason to kick any employee out, nobody has their employee's backs, in other words, their employees are fucked. I for one, do not shop at walmart, never have, never will, fuck them, and fuck you.

Yes and the person who agrees with you still shops at Wal Mart regardless thus making him a hypocrite. People do not have to work at Wal Mart and are free to find employment elsewhere just as people don't have to shop at Wal Mart and are free to go elsewhere. What the hell is a Wal Mart Union going to do? They are unskilled workers who can be replaced with ease they don't have much bargining clout. A union would more than likely make things worse for employees rather than helping them with union fees and threats mandatory strikes that would accomplish nothing more than costing the workers their jobs. What about right to work states like mine, where closed shops are illegal? One more thing, Wal Mart employees have every right to form a union, why don't they?

I am a capitalist and for globalization all the way, but I'm not a Republican, I'm a democrat, and I'm not a Bush supporter, I'm a Kerry supporter, and I am definately not for exploitation like some corporate entities are. I'm willing to strive so that the company I am in makes great profits but not at the costs of other people's benefits or lives, that would be crossing the line, apparently you don't see the line or care much for it.

I am all for the minium wage and benefits required by law what exactly are you talking about?

At 9/4/04 03:55 AM, BeFell wrote: Ok there is absoulutely no correlation between the two so what's you point? After reading about the fair trade coffee I stand by my statement. It doesn't matter much anyways with my non coffee drinking Mormoness but if I did drink coffee I would make sure I got the not fair trade kind. Just like I try to buy the tuna that kills dolphins.=P

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Ok well Mexico isn't a jurisdiction of the US, but you get the idea.

Since most coffee plantation workers live isolated from big cities out in the mountains or semi-jungle, their coffee is sold to carriers who then sell it to major coffee corporations for numerous times the amount paid, and then sold in stores for numerous times that amount paid.

Slaves were fed and clothed by their owners, these people have a hard time making it through the day.