Kerry is the Flip Flop

[Captain-Kingfish]

Why does Kerry say something and then turn around and say something different. I think there are 2 Kerrys that switch up everyother speech.

[The-Last-Cynic]

God forbid a man changes his mind.

[Captain-Kingfish]

At 9/2/04 07:45 PM, KirbyMan wrote: God forbid a man changes his mind.

Just look in the past man..... Democrats have always lied and ended up being wrong every time.
Example(Jimmy Carter)

[The-Last-Cynic]

I'm drowning in the vast masses of your rationality. All democrats are wrong, I should've known, I'm gonna have to become a republican now.

[witeshark]

Funny. But all this is why I don't waste time watching speeches

[Gooie]

At 9/2/04 07:43 PM, Captain_Kingfish wrote: Why does Kerry say something and then turn around and say something different. I think there are 2 Kerrys that switch up everyother speech.

NO SHIT, tell me something we all don't know people like Kirby just blow it off like nothing or try to cover it up with a pathetic excuse he said, like Kerry is God or something its sad actually

[The-Last-Cynic]

Kerry is mediocre. He will make a mediocre president. I have different reasons to think that though. All the reasons you pick are just irrelevent and if they were relevent, Bush is just as bad or worse. So I'm not Idelizing Kerry, but everyone flip flops so pick a better point. So the next time you think about attacking Kerry, USE AN ISSUE FOR FUCKS SAKE!

[Gooie]

At 9/2/04 08:14 PM, KirbyMan wrote: Kerry is mediocre. He will make a mediocre president. I have different reasons to think that though. All the reasons you pick are just irrelevent and if they were relevent, Bush is just as bad or worse. So I'm not Idelizing Kerry, but everyone flip flops so pick a better point. So the next time you think about attacking Kerry, USE AN ISSUE FOR FUCKS SAKE!

Who said I was attacking Kerry? I was attacking you and no Kerry has flip flopped WAY more then Bush, everyone flip flops doesn't defend anything, and from what it looks like you do idealize

[The-Last-Cynic]

You know what, fine. Make shit up. This isn't a point worth arguing again and again and again, maybe someone else can give you a clue.

[Gooie]

At 9/2/04 08:19 PM, KirbyMan wrote: You know what, fine. Make shit up. This isn't a point worth arguing again and again and again, maybe someone else can give you a clue.

Im making shit up? Please explain next time and if you want to back out don't post pointless shit like this

[zeppelin-man]

Sure, Kerry has "flip floped". But this man has a sure solid path about what he'll do when he is president. He has done many things for america. He served for all americans in the vietnam war. Not just for democrats. He is for all americans, not for liberals and i think that he will be a great president.
Bush now, he is in for himself and his administration. Tell me why did we give up on osama and aimed for sadam in 2003?
Because of a grudge! If you vote for Bush you will have innocent iraqi blood on your hands. Its Bush's war, not ours.

[The-Last-Cynic]

When I said you were attacking Kerry I meant Captain Kingfish. While Kerry has flip-flopped so has Bush, not as much but on much more important issues, like Osama Bin Laden. Nonetheless it's irrelevent, Kerry is indecisive and a wet blanket to the poles. That's good and bad, it means Kerry has yet to show his true colors, but it also means he will listen to US. That's important to a Democracy. As for idealizing Kerry, I don't, you can't prove otherwise, but you could call me desperatly Anti-Bush, which I'm sure appears the same.

[antiklaus]

At 9/2/04 07:43 PM, Captain_Kingfish wrote: Why does Kerry say something and then turn around and say something different. I think there are 2 Kerrys that switch up everyother speech.

Haven't we had enough of this topic already?

I've cited at least 2 Bush flip flops for every Kerry flop.

Can we just let this thing die already and talk actual issues for a change?

[CountPoopoo]

Both bush and kerry are terrible.
Bush's flip flops:
# Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
# Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
# Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
# Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
# Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
# Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
# Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
# Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
# Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
# Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
# Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
# Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
# Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
# Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
# Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
# Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
# Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

So shut up about kerry

[theburningliberal]

The ownage is strong in this thread...

[Gun-Mage]

Its becuase Kerry is a very weak person whos ideas go to the highest bidder

[Camarohusky]

What's so wron g with changing you mind on an issue? He thoguth one way, got new information, ro the climate of the issue changed and his ideas on the issue changed, and many times his votes were reflecting the flip-flopping nature of his constituents. I bet most Mass peopel wanted the patriot act when it first was broguth uip, and then when they learned more abou tit they changed their mind and then Kerry did as well...

Being headstrong can be a good thing in office as well as a bad thing. Sticking with an issue even after it turns bad is not a good thing. Sometimes even the president must change his view on an issue in order to best serve the people of this country.

[fli]

At 9/2/04 07:57 PM, KirbyMan wrote: I'm drowning in the vast masses of your rationality. All democrats are wrong, I should've known, I'm gonna have to become a republican now.

Yes. I'm becoming a Republican too. That was easy. Yeah, Demoncrates act so childishly . Now to pour some Dubya Catsup on Freedom Fries.

[bumcheekcity]

At 9/3/04 02:13 AM, The-Mage wrote: Its becuase Kerry is a very weak person whos ideas go to the highest bidder

Like Bush, evidently, from the post two above yours.

[hairy-tuba-dude]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41145-2004Aug4.html

You may have to register to see the article, but its the Washington Post for heaven's sake; not some porn site. Its a short article about Bush's flip-flopping. A good read for some real facts about the topic.

[thekinman]

look at me, read my siggy. It means ANYONE BUT BUSH OR KERRY. One is a dull, flopper with no real stance on the issues, the other is a retarded psycho whos bought off by military contractors, oil companies, the saudi royals and the bin laden family. Ill have the Flopper any day.

[Memorize]

i dont mind kerry changing his mind on things its just that he does it too much. i also find it amazing as to how people keep bashing bush like hes evil and they say nothing of kerry or any of his mistakes. and in some ways it is americas war and not just bush's.

[Gooie]

At 9/4/04 01:15 AM, Soul_Specter wrote: i dont mind kerry changing his mind on things its just that he does it too much. i also find it amazing as to how people keep bashing bush like hes evil and they say nothing of kerry or any of his mistakes. and in some ways it is americas war and not just bush's.

Because Kerry is a Democrat, and personally flip-flops between the two isn't an issue to me what is an issue is terrorist like Osama and yes the economy too, but lets face it the national debt will never be payed off

[JMHX]

Well, we were there under Bill Clinton, but nooo...

[GooieGreen]

At 9/2/04 07:55 PM, Captain_Kingfish wrote: Just look in the past man..... Democrats have always lied and ended up being wrong every time.

When you're done talking out of your ass, let me know, okay? I was looking for a serious debate, not a Fox News pissing contest

[JMHX]

At 9/2/04 07:55 PM, Captain_Kingfish wrote:

:: Just look in the past man..... Democrats have always lied and ended up being wrong every time.

Read my lips, no new taxes.

[Camarohusky]

At 9/4/04 03:08 PM, Transkar wrote: Have we ever had a good Democrat president? I only recall FDR as being one. The rest were piles of shit.....example: Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter.....

JFK? Clinton? (at least in his policies, not his "extra cirricular activities")

Name the good Republican presidents of the 20th century...

I can only think of 1 and two semi good ones...

[JMHX]

At 9/4/04 03:08 PM, Transkar wrote: Have we ever had a good Democrat president? I only recall FDR as being one. The rest were piles of shit.....example: Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter.....

John Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman...

[CI-Lain]

At 9/4/04 03:08 PM, Transkar wrote: Have we ever had a good Democrat president? I only recall FDR as being one. The rest were piles of shit.....example: Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter.....

Have we ever had a good republican president. They may have been good bold faced liars but good presidents?

comments like that are just stupid. And proof, once agian, that president Bush has succeded in creating an astronomical schizm in our political/social world.

[CI-Lain]

At 9/4/04 03:10 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: John Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman...

Andrew Jackson wasa bit of an asshole from what ive heard. I think he was kinda cool because he was sitting on the whitehouse lawn when someone shot at him, the bullet hit but did not kill. Jackson jumped off the pourch ran down the great lawn and tackled his assailant.

that is what i call badass.