should we torture pow from iraq

[ptownboricua]

do u think its right for american to torture iraqi pows

i think we should muhahahaha

[FRIMA]

At 9/2/04 02:08 PM, ptownboricua wrote: do u think its right for american to torture iraqi pows

no, not really.

[The-Last-Cynic]

Wow, you're mature. Yes, let's fry the sand monkeys.

[stafffighter]

Feel free to share this idea with some guys who came back here from vietnam p.o.w camps.

[cheshirepus]

We shouldn't even be involved with Iraq in the first place, let alone torturing its citizens... or anyone else for that matter.
You're either lying about your age, or are a very ignorant and naive 20 year old. Grow the hell up and start forming opinions from your brain instead of your ass.

[bumcheekcity]

No. Torture can never be justified. Never. Never Ever. No. Never.

That's 'never' by the way.

[BeFell]

At 9/2/04 02:18 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: No. Torture can never be justified. Never. Never Ever. No. Never.

What if somebody kidnapped your sister and won't tell you where she is?

[The-Last-Cynic]

At 9/2/04 02:27 PM, BeFell wrote: What if somebody kidnapped your sister and won't tell you where she is?

They would probably tell you to avoid a harsh sentence. If they didn't then torture probably wouldn't work.

[D2Kvirus]

At 9/2/04 02:08 PM, ptownboricua wrote: do u think its right for american to torture iraqi pows

About as right as when you answered "1 + 1 = George W. Bush."

i think we should muhahahaha

I thibnk you should. Fuck off, that is.

[BeFell]

At 9/2/04 02:30 PM, KirbyMan wrote:

At 9/2/04 02:27 PM, BeFell wrote: What if somebody kidnapped your sister and won't tell you where she is?

They would probably tell you to avoid a harsh sentence. If they didn't then torture probably wouldn't work.

It would make me feel better.

[The-Last-Cynic]

I don't think vengeful sadism is a good reason for torture

[BeFell]

At 9/2/04 02:37 PM, KirbyMan wrote: I don't think vengeful sadism is a good reason for torture

That's because you're a pussy.=P

[antiklaus]

At 9/2/04 02:08 PM, ptownboricua wrote: do u think its right for american to torture iraqi pows

The minute we do, we open the door for evey other country to do the same to our men. I think our own troops deserve the protection provided by not walking down that slippery slope.

i think we should muhahahaha

Uhm... sign up for a tour in Iraq. Then say that.

[antiklaus]

They would probably tell you to avoid a harsh sentence. If they didn't then torture probably wouldn't work.

It would make me feel better.

What if you found out after you had tortured the person, that you had the wrong guy?

[BeFell]

At 9/2/04 02:42 PM, antiklaus wrote: What if you found out after you had tortured the person, that you had the wrong guy?

Well naturally I would make sure I had the right guy I was thinking along the lines of an indignent person who would say something along the lines of I know where she is but I won't tell you.

[stafffighter]

Um, isen't torture something that we keep sayting the bad guys do?

[La-Z-boi]

If you torture someone, he will only tell what you WANT to hear...
Another reason why you cant torture someone...
And why the hell should you guys (sorry, i mean: the armies who are in Iraq) torture the Iraqi's ? Do you got some reasons ???

And another thing... what are pows or something?

[The-Last-Cynic]

POW-Prisoners of War

[witeshark]

Torture is just wrong. It should never happen. Should. There's that word again...

[Montgomery-Scott]

if you torture somebody, they tell you anything to not be tortured anymore, so torture doesn't work in extracting accurate information.

[bumcheekcity]

At 9/2/04 02:27 PM, BeFell wrote: What if somebody kidnapped your sister and won't tell you where she is?

Nope. Doesn't even come close to justifying it.

And to be perfectly honest, they can have her... But that isn't the point.

It's been done already.

[fli]

At 9/2/04 02:27 PM, BeFell wrote:

At 9/2/04 02:18 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: No. Torture can never be justified. Never. Never Ever. No. Never.

What if somebody kidnapped your sister and won't tell you where she is?

But that didn't happen, did it? The guys who were released from Guantamano (that Swedish guy I remember most) had nothing to do with Iraq other then that they were visiting there and were at a wrong place at the wrong time. So they were kept against of there will, barely released this year, tortured for no reason.

And also, I thought that I couldn't imagine myself saying this, but I'm going to say it: We're Americans-- not animals.

[BeFell]

At 9/2/04 06:57 PM, spanishfli wrote:

At 9/2/04 02:27 PM, BeFell wrote:

At 9/2/04 02:18 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: No. Torture can never be justified. Never. Never Ever. No. Never.

What if somebody kidnapped your sister and won't tell you where she is?

But that didn't happen, did it? The guys who were released from Guantamano (that Swedish guy I remember most) had nothing to do with Iraq other then that they were visiting there and were at a wrong place at the wrong time. So they were kept against of there will, barely released this year, tortured for no reason.

I'm not defending what happened in Iraq I was just debating the statement that it can never be justified.

I am not aware of any torture cases at Guantamano.

[fli]

At 9/2/04 07:54 PM, BeFell wrote:

At 9/2/04 06:57 PM, spanishfli wrote:

At 9/2/04 02:27 PM, BeFell wrote:

At 9/2/04 02:18 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: No. Torture can never be justified. Never. Never Ever. No. Never.

What if somebody kidnapped your sister and won't tell you where she is?

But that didn't happen, did it? The guys who were released from Guantamano (that Swedish guy I remember most) had nothing to do with Iraq other then that they were visiting there and were at a wrong place at the wrong time. So they were kept against of there will, barely released this year, tortured for no reason.

I'm not defending what happened in Iraq I was just debating the statement that it can never be justified.

I am not aware of any torture cases at Guantamano.

I'm trying to find that link, but it may take a while since I was 2 months ago that I read it, I think. In it, it said that some prisoners were put in huge freezers for 12 hours at times and other things. What sticked in my mind was the freezer thing.

[theburningliberal]

That's because most of us have a little bit more advanced morality compass than you do, BeFell.

[bumcheekcity]

At 9/2/04 07:54 PM, BeFell wrote: I am not aware of any torture cases at Guantamano.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/a...L-IN-CAMP-X-RAY-name_page.html

The father-of-three, from Manchester, told how he was assaulted with fists, feet and batons after refusing a mystery injection.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1282157,00.html

Many of the men have been held for almost two and a half years without charge. Last week three British former detainees described making false confessions after experiencing sustained abuse.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=547708

Prisoners at Guantanamo Bay were subjected to Abu Ghraib-style torture and sexual humiliation in which they were stripped naked, forced to sodomise one another and taunted by naked female American soldiers, according to a new report.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_20-10-2003_pg4_11

A US-based lawyer acting for two Australians being held at Guantanamo Bay claimed this month that detainees at the camp were subjected to “medieval” torture, including having rubber bullets fired at them.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/aug2004/hick-a12.shtml

For more than two and a half years, Iqbal, Ahmed and Rasul were imprisoned by the US military in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, where they were subjected to an unrelenting regime of physical and psychological torture.

The torture included being kept chained to the floor in painful bent positions for hours or days on end, sprayed with mace, held in isolation and/or naked for weeks and months at a time. Other methods involved being kept in freezing air-conditioned rooms, sleep deprivation, near-starvation, denial of medical treatment and prescription drugs, forced injections of unknown drugs, sexual humiliation and religious harassment.

You were saying?

[D2Kvirus]

At 9/2/04 03:37 PM, Quanze13 wrote: if you torture somebody, they tell you anything to not be tortured anymore, so torture doesn't work in extracting accurate information.

And if they die from shock because they're being tortured, weeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllllll, you pretty much wasted your time, didn't you? It happens.

[SeedyKay]

At 9/3/04 05:36 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 9/2/04 07:54 PM, BeFell wrote: I am not aware of any torture cases at Guantamano.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/a...L-IN-CAMP-X-RAY-name_page.html

The father-of-three, from Manchester, told how he was assaulted with fists, feet and batons after refusing a mystery injection.

Seriously, do not believe anything the mirror says. I'm sure they get it right sometimes, but i have no time to give credibility to a paper that is so single minded and arrogant, that it will take pictures that are fake, and the know will cause massive backlash against me and my colleagues, and then print them all over the front page without checking their authenticity.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1282157,00.html

Many of the men have been held for almost two and a half years without charge. Last week three British former detainees described making false confessions after experiencing sustained abuse.

Etc. Etc.

Well, most of this hasn't been proven beyond the words of those released. The same people who were also captured attending a wedding and accidentally finding themselves in a hole with an AK47, or making the simple mistake of getting lost en-route to an ICT course in Saudi Aabia and ending up shooting at US troops from a Taliban bunker.

Not that i support torture of Iraqia in anyway. No one should ever be tortured whatever the reason. I find the idea abhorrent from both a personal and military viewpoint.

[BeFell]

At 9/3/04 05:36 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: You were saying?

Do you have any American sources that I could trust the validity of, for all I know these are British tabloids... Are the?