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At 9/2/04 05:05 AM, mighty_wez wrote: seeing as how Kerry put his life on the line fighting for our freedom and civil rights,he has more right than anyone to exercise his right to free speech and to criticize our govrenment....

He didnt put his life on the line. He applied for a non-combat position and was forced into a combat position.

When a boat hit a mine and was renderred incapable of moving, Kerry fled the scene.

He has 2 fake purple hearts and a fake bronze star. He claimed a combat V on a silver star, which is an impossibility because the navy doestn give Combat V's for silver stars.

He met with communist leaders of vietnam, which is illegal according to the constitution.

When SBVFT's book came out, John Kerry threw the constitution out the window and tried to get it banned.

And most importantly:

JOHN KERRY HAS BEEN CHANGING HIS STORIES, NOT SBVFT. JOHN KERRY HAS NOT DISPUTED THE CLAIMS THEY ARE MAKING, AND HE WONT RELEASE HIS MILITARY RECORDS.

and these "swift boat veterans" are very misleading...they would have you believe they were serving on the same boat as kerry at the same time.....but that isnt true...when they sayt they "served with kerry" they mean they were in the army at the same time as him.....so if they're going to be deceptive about that how can we believe ANYTHING they say???

You havent read the book, and you obviously dont know what you are talking about.

They never claim to be in the same boat as kerry. There are 250 of them....a swift boat holds 6 people. You're a moron.

They served on swift boats on the same river, at the same time, right NEXT to John Kerry. Get your facts straight little boy.

Our nation and the world in general are not better off from that war except mabey for a lot of people going to college to stay out of it and getting an education they might not have otherwise gotten....

Our nation wasnt supposed to be better off from that war. vietnam was supposed to be better off from that war. John Kerry led this nation into a military loss, and 2.5 million innocent people died because of it.

JOHN KERRY HAS BEEN CHANGING HIS STORIES, NOT SBVFT. JOHN KERRY HAS NOT DISPUTED THE CLAIMS THEY ARE MAKING, AND HE WONT RELEASE HIS MILITARY RECORDS.

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp

there you go. Kerry's service records. All you had to do was ask.

I even put up Bush's as well so you can compare them.

and uhm swiftboat vets ARE changing their stories. Check the links

snopes.com debunks their tale completely.

At 9/2/04 11:26 AM, antiklaus wrote:

JOHN KERRY HAS BEEN CHANGING HIS STORIES, NOT SBVFT. JOHN KERRY HAS NOT DISPUTED THE CLAIMS THEY ARE MAKING, AND HE WONT RELEASE HIS MILITARY RECORDS.

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp

there you go. Kerry's service records. All you had to do was ask.

I even put up Bush's as well so you can compare them.

and uhm swiftboat vets ARE changing their stories. Check the links

snopes.com debunks their tale completely.

Those are the records Kerry chose to release...he has not released all of them. Why not?

At 9/2/04 11:05 AM, John_Kerry wrote: He didnt put his life on the line. He applied for a non-combat position and was forced into a combat position.

Putting his life on the line in the process...

When a boat hit a mine and was renderred incapable of moving, Kerry fled the scene.

Don't boats generally sink after they hit mines? I'd have fled the scene too.

He has 2 fake purple hearts and a fake bronze star. He claimed a combat V on a silver star, which is an impossibility because the navy doestn give Combat V's for silver stars.

Prove it.

He met with communist leaders of vietnam, which is illegal according to the constitution.

And meeting with communist leaders of china is? Good business? Of course....

When SBVFT's book came out, John Kerry threw the constitution out the window and tried to get it banned.

Yeah, but everyone tries to ban everything nowadays, move with the times.

Our nation wasnt supposed to be better off from that war. vietnam was supposed to be better off from that war. John Kerry led this nation into a military loss, and 2.5 million innocent people died because of it.

What? John Kerry was drafted in.... He didn't lead them in. What are you talking about?

Those are the records Kerry chose to release...he has not released all of them. Why not?

Bush has yet to release all of his either... then again its an act of unusual circumstances there. Bush claimed (as did his party) that they had the payroll records that were absolute proof of his service, back in 2003.

Problem is, you see, the records were accidentally destroyed in 1997....

Do we see a little tall telling on the Republican front?

I certainly do.

Problem is, you see, the records were accidentally destroyed in 1997....

And then, while under pressure, they were suddenly found...

But wait a minute they still aren't whole. There are major bits missing.

Two major things, of many, are a written acknowledgement from Bush that he had received the orders that grounded him, as well as records of a required investigation into why Bush lost flight status.

Will Bush ever release everything?

Two major things, of many, are a written acknowledgement from Bush that he had received the orders that grounded him, as well as records of a required investigation into why Bush lost flight status.

Will Bush ever release everything?

Not if he wants to hoodwink his constituency... on a non-issue, no less.

I love how TS states that JK volunteered for noncombat.

Pardon me if Iaugh. His record shows he signed "YES" to service in Viet Nam.

Bush's records clearly show a "NO".

That - above all else should kill the whole argument, but these whacky folks and their revisionist histories...

Not to mention all the suppression that has been done to remove the anti-Bush books from the public eye, while the conservative media promotes the anti-Kerry books...

At 9/7/04 11:04 PM, theburningliberal wrote: Not to mention all the suppression that has been done to remove the anti-Bush books from the public eye, while the conservative media promotes the anti-Kerry books...

The 10% that promotes it? Wow didn't think such a small percentage was so big and don't bullshit me I know the media is controlled by the liberals

Liberal Media my fucking ass.

Ever listen to talk radio? Ever notice how dominated talk radio is by conservative rhetoric? Limbaugh... Hannity... Savage...

Notice how prominent the 'fair and balanced' lie is on Fox News? Notice how prominent FNC has become by saying that, and then spewing right-wing propaganda all over the place? I swear, it's worse than Pravda.

MSNBC has a few liberal programs, but the network as a whole tends to lean slightly right. As does CNN, although they do a better job than any of the networks of being balanced.

And don't cite Hannity and Colmes in support of Fox not being a conservative station. I will shoot you if you do that.

I smite thee...

At 9/7/04 11:21 PM, theburningliberal wrote:

Who said I was talking about radio talk shows? Does the general public even care ot listen? NO im talking more about basic stations people watch such as cbs abc etc

Well, my entire family can be considered the average American family, and they listen to Hannity and watch FOX news more than they do ABC and CBS...

Does anyone else think that it is just a tad bit strange that out of the 250 members of the Swift Boat Veterans for truth, only one of them actually served with kerry while the rest of the actual swift boat crew support him. I guarantee that Kerry exagerated his stories and claims, but I doubt he completely made them up.

At 9/8/04 12:07 AM, theburningliberal wrote: Well, my entire family can be considered the average American family, and they listen to Hannity and watch FOX news more than they do ABC and CBS...

The average family listens to Howard stern and watches ABC CBS etc., Americans are dumb its a fact thats why politicians need to lie and spread prophaganda to convince them

At 9/8/04 12:47 AM, Fryl0ck wrote: The average family listens to Howard stern and watches ABC CBS etc., Americans are dumb its a fact thats why politicians need to lie and spread prophaganda to convince them

No propoganda but mindless distractions. If the people are dumb enough to be swayed by Kerry's military record even though Bush's is equally, if not more, spurious, you might as well do it, instead of having them think about the issues, cause god knows what kind of havoc people would cause if they had any control over their government.