Swift Boat Vets Open Letter To Jfk.

[TruthSpeak]

SWIFT VETS WRITE THE POODLE

The Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, those Republican troublemakers who dare question The Poodle's record in Vietnam, are out with a new ad and a letter that they have sent to John Kerry directly. They'd like to make him an offer. If Kerry would apologize for his remarks he made slandering veterans, apologize for throwing back his medals (or as sKerry calls them, "ribbons,") and come clean on how he got his medals in Vietnam, then they'll drop the attack ads. Of course, there is less than zero chance of this happening, but you can't blame them for trying.

The letter starts out: "As you prepare for your address before the American Legion in Nashville, Tennessee, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth encourages you to use this opportunity to clarify your actions in Vietnam and your statements about your fellow Veterans and shipmates when you returned home. Since you have made your four-month tour in Vietnam the centerpiece of your campaign, we respectfully insist that you be truthful. The public is owed a full and honest accounting of your actions. Veterans are owed an apology from you and an acknowledgment that there was no basis in fact for the accusations you made against them." They will get no such apology, ever. For Kerry to do so would be for him to admit that he has been lying all this time, and that ain't gonna happen.

The Swiftees have really made a dent. The Poodle has to regret ever bringing up his service in Vietnam, because the whole thing is backfiring badly. People are starting to realize, as Bob Dole said, that all of these vets can't simply be Republican liars. What do they have to gain by telling their story? Not a thing.

Expect to keep seeing their ads too, because they're getting a lot of contributions from people who feel the same way.

-Go ahead liberals, be immature and foolish and call all 253 of them liars - cause its John Kerry changing his stories, not them. All they want is an apology and the attacks will stop. Do you think they will get it, will Kerry admit that HE is in fact that one that has been lying???

[Gooie]

You should see WHY Kerry got those metals sharpnel pains, ouch

[jake1337]

actions like these from kerry will make his down fall
but bush has been negleting the war and he will also go down but this election has no definite winner until the end

bak to the topic kerry lying isnt want people want so it wil cost him like i said but hes been doing good things but only for the old people in the areas he visits at least thats what i seen i dont realy pay attention to anything
for him his vote stands on this quote
and i quote 'when you do something right noone will know if you did anything at all' un quote
well exept the really absevent people but nobody likes them... hehe

[Montgomery-Scott]

ummm, while we are on the topic of attack adds, I have a really good idea for an anti bush ad: "while Kerry was fighting for his country, Bush was sitting at home in texas, enjoying a few brewskeys and snorting cocaine. Quite a difference. So, does it really matter how many friggin purple hearts Kerry won???"

[Digitalicious]

Kerry's Shrapnel Wounds were as superficial as falling off your bike, there may have been one or two peices of metal lodged semi-deep in his skin, but I don't really think that is worth getting a medal for. I got hit by a car and borke several bones and a cracked pelvis. No one ever gave me a friggin' medal.

[TruthSpeak]

At 9/1/04 04:58 PM, Quanze13 wrote: ummm, while we are on the topic of attack adds, I have a really good idea for an anti bush ad: "while Kerry was fighting for his country, Bush was sitting at home in texas, enjoying a few brewskeys and snorting cocaine. Quite a difference. So, does it really matter how many friggin purple hearts Kerry won???"

And you can say "I'm ignorant as fuck, neglect intelligent comments, and I approved this message" - at the end of it.

[Digitalicious]

And I read a post somewhere about how it shouldn't matter if they won any medals or anything like that, it is all about being a good leader, with morals and values, and even though some of these ads and what not do do a good job of demoralizing these political hounds, they are still worthy canidates. I being a liberal republican (I know the irony...) Say that no matter what happens, we need to finish off whatever is going on overseas, and focus on our economic resession.

[Digitalicious]

By the way I fixed my signature, doesn't it look great? The file size is only about 10 kb too, just exported it from Photoshop as a Gif, and BOOM, it worked. Now, who wants to give me a cookie? Or click on it? Which ever comes first.

[antiklaus]

snopes has thoroughly debunked the swiftboat claims.

I think this topic is all but dead, since its clear the swiftvets are changing their stories after (what?) receiving LARGE cash contributions from a Bush cabinet member.

So, in short. If you have to pay a witness, what good is his testimony, especially when it contradicts what the witness said before he was paid?

I think this administration has spent too much times in the pockets of people like Chibli to even understand the truth anymore.

[Agla-Aaron]

There is a difrence between medals and ribbons. The ribbon is a bar that is worne above the medale its self. He threw the ribons back. but not the medals.

As for how he earned his medals. One he shouldt even have gotten. He went to the medic and the medic pulled a small piece of shrapnle out from under his skin (Somthing kerry could have done himself), poured some peroxide on it, and gave him a band ade.

The second one he got my have been from a self infilicted injury.
the story goes that he threw a grenade into a rice barrle and that it was the rice that injured him.(To bad it didnt hit him in the eyes.)

But the third, I think he did deserve.

[bumcheekcity]

At 9/1/04 04:45 PM, TruthSpeak wrote: -Go ahead liberals, be immature and foolish and call all 253 of them liars - cause its John Kerry changing his stories, not them. All they want is an apology and the attacks will stop. Do you think they will get it, will Kerry admit that HE is in fact that one that has been lying???

They're all liars. Kerry's a liar too, though, dont get me wrong. You have no proof he's been lying, except for the words of people who have been paid by Republicans.

[fli]

Popeye the Sailor Man called me on behalf of Swift Boat. He told me they served in the same war, although not together, but at least the same war. Told me reasons why I shouldn't vote for him-- because Kerry didn't eat his spinach *toot* *toot*.

[TruthSpeak]

Name the claims that swift boat vets have made that have been proven wrong.

Provide your sources too.

This ought to be good.

[bumcheekcity]

At 9/1/04 06:31 PM, TruthSpeak wrote: Name the claims that swift boat vets have made that have been proven wrong.

Provide your sources too.

The one making the origional claim should provide the sources, surely?

[TruthSpeak]

At 9/1/04 06:34 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 9/1/04 06:31 PM, TruthSpeak wrote: Name the claims that swift boat vets have made that have been proven wrong.

Provide your sources too.

The one making the origional claim should provide the sources, surely?

Yeah, they provided a book of them, and on the record accounts.

Now its your turn.

[TruthSpeak]

^^

Wait, let me guess...you havent read the book!!!

hahahahahhahaha.

I love when people talk about stuff they know nothign about.

By the way, collateral is a good movie...i havent seen it, but in my opinion, its a good movie.

Do you see how democrats never make sense?

[fli]

I are noting butt a lowly humble cidizen wid little knolege or education. you are smarterest then me. But when election comes

My vote will be equal to yours.

Fathead.

[Camarohusky]

At 9/1/04 06:31 PM, TruthSpeak wrote: Name the claims that swift boat vets have made that have been proven wrong.

Provide your sources too.

This ought to be good.

Name claims that they have made that have been proven correct, and provide your sources.

[SteveGuzzi]

At 9/1/04 04:45 PM, TruthSpeak wrote: his medals (or as sKerry calls them, "ribbons,")

someone here knows jack shit about military decorations, and it isn't me.

[JoS]

This is slowly becoming a flame war now. What exactly are the contradictions between the vets and Kerry? Surely they cant be as large as the contridictions between BUshs service record and every other person in the national guard.

[PruneTracy]

This post and it's responses just go to show what pieces of shit the Republicans have become, attacking veterans and war heros for political gain.

Kerry bled for the country, what have you done?

[antiklaus]

At 9/1/04 06:31 PM, TruthSpeak wrote: Name the claims that swift boat vets have made that have been proven wrong.

Provide your sources too.

This ought to be good.

http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/behindsbv.htm

this site does a fair to complete job of point by point debunking the swiftboat vets - including showing where they get their funding from. (A very telling bit indeedly doo).

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=244
covers the accusations of atrocities very thoroughly.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/swift.asp
covers the topic of the vets in a bit of detail as well...

if after reading all of these sources (and trust me, they link literally HUNDREDS of other articles from very mainstream news sites) you are still not convinced that the swiftvets are full of shyte, then no amount of factual information will change your mind.

[bumcheekcity]

At 9/1/04 06:42 PM, TruthSpeak wrote: Wait, let me guess...you havent read the book!!!

Duh. Of course I haven't read the book. I didn't even know it existed.

I love when people talk about stuff they know nothign about.

It's obvious, you do it so much.

Anyway, my point was that YOU must then post the sources. Make a nice long post. reference it to multiple sources, and then come back when you're ready... You can talk with the big clever people in the Politics Forum when you stop acting like me when I was 13.

[JoS]

Ok, a huge deal is made of Kerry being anti-war in 1971, why dont I see ads on the TV with Bush snortin some coke with a 40 oz in one hand?

[bumcheekcity]

At 9/1/04 08:12 PM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: Ok, a huge deal is made of Kerry being anti-war in 1971, why dont I see ads on the TV with Bush snortin some coke with a 40 oz in one hand?

I'm willing to bet they've been banned, and the people whi instigated them have been taken to a secure location [Guantanamo Bay] and are not being beatne up by some guards.

[Quetzalcoatl-88]

Shouldn't the issues kerry addresses be way more important than what he did or did not do in vietnam?

[Jimsween]

Where is Punk when you need him.

Uhm... as far as the swiftboat vets claim goes, the only thing that really stands ground is the questioning on how he got his medals.

The ribbons thing, that was a protest, there is no reason anyone should care about the medals really, unless maybe he was lying and not throwing his medals, which just makes him a little bit of a fake. But as we all know, you can't be a good politician unless you're a fake, and problems with Bush far outweigh his fakiness.

The accusing troops of commiting warcrimes thing, that was completely true, he never said all soldiers are commiting warcrimes, he said he saw soldiers commiting war crimes. This could be a lie, we don't know, but either way, troops did commit war crimes, so the vets don't have much to be pissed about unless they were with Kerry the whole time and know he is lying and feel he is accusing them. And if he is indeed lying, then that is bad, but as I've said before, he's still better than Bush.

And finally, the reports about how he got his medals and how he was as a soldier in Veitnam. As could be expected, there is very little factual information about all this, being that it was a war. However, what we do know is;

Not all of those swiftboat people served with Kerry for that long.
His commander, who is now against Kerry and saying he was a bad soldier, gave him a good review during the war, however it was incomplete.
Some soldiers are now claiming he was not under fire when he saved his comrade
Some of those soldiers also recieved medals, in which them being under fire was a part of them getting thier medal
One of the swiftboats had holes in it
Soldiers claimed those holes were not from fire then, but from a sniper earlier

So really, we don't know enough to be able to judge him on that medal. What we have right now is alot of circumstantial evidence, and the problem with that is, if you have a predisposition, circumstantial evidence will not change your opinion.

[Jimsween]

At 9/1/04 08:16 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: I'm willing to bet they've been banned, and the people whi instigated them have been taken to a secure location [Guantanamo Bay] and are not being beatne up by some guards.

You need to get out more. The reason why we don't see them is a little more obvious and less... conspiracy. Simply because thats the kinda stuff that can easily break your campaign, you don't want to claim something like that unless you have a ton of factual evidence to back it up. If a group made an ad like that, it could easily make everyone hate Kerry very quickly.

[theburningliberal]

At 9/1/04 08:16 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: I'm willing to bet they've been banned, and the people whi instigated them have been taken to a secure location [Guantanamo Bay] and are not being beatne up by some guards.

Or being raped by all those lovely MP's at Abu Ghraib...

[mighty-wez]

seeing as how Kerry put his life on the line fighting for our freedom and civil rights,he has more right than anyone to exercise his right to free speech and to criticize our govrenment....
and these "swift boat veterans" are very misleading...they would have you believe they were serving on the same boat as kerry at the same time.....but that isnt true...when they sayt they "served with kerry" they mean they were in the army at the same time as him.....so if they're going to be deceptive about that how can we believe ANYTHING they say???
Our nation and the world in general are not better off from that war except mabey for a lot of people going to college to stay out of it and getting an education they might not have otherwise gotten....