Fucking Liberal teachers

[Peter90688]

I hate the schools today... Ive had two teachers now (one a liberal feminist and now a Liberal) that feel the need to share their outragous political opinions/veiws. First:

1) 10th grade: My World history teacher says, "I dont understand why we are in Iraq, they say that Iraq funded 9/11 but Saddam and Osama hated each other."

2) 11th Grade (Now): My US History teachers says on the first day of school, " Do you realize that we live in a country where our votes mean nothing? That the electorial colleges are the minority and they decide? Do you realize that we are better off living in a dictatorship?"

[witeshark]

Your 10th grade teacher needs to do some reading. Your 11th grade teacher is a bit extreme, but has some points

[The-Last-Cynic]

Calm down, ignore the spin, it doesn't appear to have changed your opinion, so what's bothering you.

[Peter90688]

At 8/24/04 11:33 PM, KirbyMan wrote: Calm down, ignore the spin, it doesn't appear to have changed your opinion, so what's bothering you.

Because, I wanted to say something. But Im afraid that if I did, she would judge me over my views...as in grades wise.

[Empanado]

Well, under my point of view, you're a fucking conservative student. Wee, it's magical, it's all the saaaame!

[The-Last-Cynic]

If that happens, threaten to call the ACLU. Really though, I doubt they're going to change your grades if you disagree with them. But I've been in your position and I know why you're pissed.

[Peter90688]

At 8/24/04 11:36 PM, Empanado wrote: Well, under my point of view, you're a fucking conservative student. Wee, it's magical, it's all the saaaame!

Im no conservative. I dont think teachers should share their veiws with their students. It makes sense, noy every student will just want to block her out. Most students will listen to her and take on her beliefs

[Empanado]

My point is, you are just as free to disagree with her as she's free to express herself. If you don't agree, you argue. And if she's a bitch and takes it personal, you tell the principal or something like that.

[Rabindarath]

At 8/24/04 11:38 PM, Peter90688 wrote: I dont think teachers should share their veiws with their students. It makes sense, noy every student will just want to block her out. Most students will listen to her and take on her beliefs

Maybe some will agree with the teacher anyway. Some will appreciate seeing the other point of view, and the rest will have backbone enough not to swallow it whole.

But if it does get personal, and she wants to penalize you, just go to the principal and the school board and fry her ass.

[Jimsween]

Do you go to college or some private school? Because in public schools there is a widespread standard of teachers only being able to grade on the assignments and tests you do.

Also, would your response to to those teachers comments be a calm headed response backed up with facts, or would you just say something like, "shut up you liberal twit!"?

And lastly, can you give an argument as to why those facts aren't true?

[The-Last-Cynic]

You have to admit what his 11th grade teacher said was a tad unctuous, and either way teachers shouldn't talk about their politics.

[TheWakingDeath]

Well, they may have been giving their spin, but then again, nothing that they've said is false. Sorry if you have a problem with your teacher's political beliefs man. You're going have to deal with a lot of people who don't agree with you in your life. And if she grades you badly for having a different stance that you can back up with facts and logical arguements, she can get her ass in some serious shit.

[Camarohusky]

I say that there is no problem with teachers speaking their views on politics. Them just stating their views is ok, but if they go any farther and tell a student that they are flat out wrong and the teacher gets into a political argument with the student. Then the teacher over stepped their bounds, because the teacher weilds power and the confrontation can hurt the educational environment. I mean I had teahcer who would talk about god in class. Teachers talk, it is the perogative of the students to be a listener and to decide on their own whether what they hear is true or not. And yes, truth is subjective.

I personally think that all teachers should play devil's advocate no matter what they believe. The best TA I've had so far was my poli sci 201 TA. He would always argue against what we said no matter what. We had a pool on his ideologies, but no one won because we could never figure it out and he never told us...

[BeFell]

A teacher is in a unique position where they are in a place of authority and can have a great impact on their students points of view. This isn't a normal situation where the student can just get up and leave they are forced to be there by the state no less. All educators should keep their beliefs to themselves at least in public schools. Private schools or colleges are different because it is the students choice to be there but tax payers shouldn't have to pay for ideolouge factories.

On a side note get used to it. Last year in my core class I got A's on every paper I turned in until I wrote a very witty paper that blasted the hell out of the Gay Straight Aliances ill informed statements regarding Gays in the boy scouts. The profesor happened to be the faculty advisor for the gay strait alliance and gave me the lowest passing score possible for that paper. I then recieved that same score on every paper I turned in until the end of the semester. It was late enough in the year I only lost my A and went to a B but I have no doubt what caused his suddent change in grading style.

[Camarohusky]

At 8/25/04 01:27 AM, BeFell wrote: On a side note get used to it. Last year in my core class I got A's on every paper I turned in until I wrote a very witty paper that blasted the hell out of the Gay Straight Aliances ill informed statements regarding Gays in the boy scouts. The profesor happened to be the faculty advisor for the gay strait alliance and gave me the lowest passing score possible for that paper. I then recieved that same score on every paper I turned in until the end of the semester. It was late enough in the year I only lost my A and went to a B but I have no doubt what caused his suddent change in grading style.

I would have filed a complaint with the Dean of the college. Professors aren't supposed to grade you down on your ideologies. Even if your ideology is a popular one or not, the professor should have no power to hurt your grade becuse you disagree with him.

[BeFell]

At 8/25/04 01:52 AM, Camarohusky wrote: I would have filed a complaint with the Dean of the college. Professors aren't supposed to grade you down on your ideologies. Even if your ideology is a popular one or not, the professor should have no power to hurt your grade becuse you disagree with him.

This was a well established professor with lots of tenure it wouldn't have turned out well for me.

[Camarohusky]

At 8/25/04 01:55 AM, BeFell wrote: This was a well established professor with lots of tenure it wouldn't have turned out well for me.

I didn't mean for you to campaign to get him fired, but to get your grade changed. I think my school, UW, has the option of tking a formal complaint to the dean and having another 3rd party take a look and re-evaluate, but I'm sure that takes a lot of appeals and work.

[BeFell]

At 8/25/04 02:02 AM, Camarohusky wrote: I didn't mean for you to campaign to get him fired, but to get your grade changed. I think my school, UW, has the option of tking a formal complaint to the dean and having another 3rd party take a look and re-evaluate, but I'm sure that takes a lot of appeals and work.

Yes but what if they were just as hippie as him? Basically I have three more years at this instition and my education comes before my personal beliefs. Unless they start raping babies or something like that. Hey we're practically neihbors.

[Slimyguy]

At 8/25/04 02:36 AM, BeFell wrote: Yes but what if they were just as hippie as him? Basically I have three more years at this instition and my education comes before my personal beliefs. Unless they start raping babies or something like that. Hey we're practically neihbors.

In this situation it was your grade or beliefs. That's the way it just is sometimes. Professors aren't ones that you should try and protest against if you want to keep your grade up. I respect you wanting to get your word to him and let him know what you thought. Very commendable of you. But just know that it's gonna come with a price. This world's not always fair, and you gotta sacrifice at times. You gotta kmnow who to fuck with and who not to, and also know the consequences if you do.

[fli]

At 8/24/04 11:30 PM, Peter90688 wrote: I hate the schools today... Ive had two teachers now (one a liberal feminist and now a Liberal) that feel the need to share their outragous political opinions/veiws. First:

1) 10th grade: My World history teacher says, "I dont understand why we are in Iraq, they say that Iraq funded 9/11 but Saddam and Osama hated each other."

It was most likely that Saddam and Osama did hate each other. Saddam was killing Osama's people. But there are no conclusive evidence that they were enemires, or friends.

2) 11th Grade (Now): My US History teachers says on the first day of school, " Do you realize that we live in a country where our votes mean nothing? That the electorial colleges are the minority and they decide? Do you realize that we are better off living in a dictatorship?"

I wouldn't say dictatorship, but this electorial colleges did get me pissed last election--

[fli]

At 8/24/04 11:35 PM, Peter90688 wrote:

At 8/24/04 11:33 PM, KirbyMan wrote: Calm down, ignore the spin, it doesn't appear to have changed your opinion, so what's bothering you.

Because, I wanted to say something. But Im afraid that if I did, she would judge me over my views...as in grades wise.

You still could had said something. I am always going against my teachers and I have never gotten a lower grade. And the most difficult teacher I had really wanted to bring down my grade to a B+ and his excuse was that since the whole class was on a curb-- and some foks whom flunked out didn't take the final, thus putting me more down on the curb. When I checked out that other folks grades didn't go down or up, I confronted my techer. I got the grade I deserved, an A-... And it was all because I saved my papers, checked out with other people and said, "Where's the dean?"

[EnragedSephiroth]

if you're punished in any way for your view(s) or ideology(ies) that really just makes you a political prisoner. People have no right to make you a political prisoner.

[EnragedSephiroth]

Well, you could try debating with your teacher. Rather than punish you in any academic way(s) for your views, she could actually admire your intelligence especially if you put up a good academic discourse. I had plenty of teachers that were very outspoken when it came to politics. From democrats, to republicans, radicals, to conservatives and passifists every kind of them was outspoken about it, the fun part was debating with them and figuring out their motives behind their reasoning. In the pursuit of finding why that is the "right thing" or the "truth" they may find an alternate truth, or you may find an alternate political view.

[BaronVonBadGuy]

At 8/25/04 01:27 AM, BeFell wrote: The profesor happened to be the faculty advisor for the gay strait alliance and gave me the lowest passing score possible for that paper.

By his job, he should give you a grade depending on how well written it was. However, though I will not justify what he did. This is a no doubt sensitive issue for him, seeing as he had to live out his whole life being that different, he probably looked at it as his way of getting back at the people, who he views, are trying to keep him down. However, him, not only being a teacher, but an advisor for the gay/lesbian alliance, should have went about trying to show you his side of the story, rather then the poor job he did to get "revenge”.

Mike

[RepVenom]

At 8/24/04 11:30 PM, Peter90688 wrote: 2) 11th Grade (Now): My US History teachers says on the first day of school, " Do you realize that we live in a country where our votes mean nothing? That the electorial colleges are the minority and they decide? Do you realize that we are better off living in a dictatorship?"

That and "Bush cheated his way into office!" are just two lame sore loser excuses that the liberals are using because Bush one. Why can't they just accept the fact that they lost this election and take it like a man?!

[RepVenom]

That and "Bush cheated his way into office!" are just two lame sore loser excuses that the liberals are using because Bush one. Why can't they just accept the fact that they lost this election and take it like a man?!

Err won*

[MuShrOomBastard]

At 8/24/04 11:35 PM, Peter90688 wrote:

At 8/24/04 11:33 PM, KirbyMan wrote: Calm down, ignore the spin, it doesn't appear to have changed your opinion, so what's bothering you.

Because, I wanted to say something. But Im afraid that if I did, she would judge me over my views...as in grades wise.

I don't say this to piss you off, but ffs get som balls man! Don't put up with things you consider bullshit, you will just regret yourself later.

[The-Last-Cynic]

At 8/25/04 06:57 AM, RepVenom wrote:

Why can't they just accept the fact that they lost this election and take it like a man?!

I have.

[shorbe]

Well, unless you're going to argue for the complete absence of government schools, it's a silly argument to say politics shouldn't be in them, because by their very nature they are political institutions.

The hidden curriculum is omnipresent, and even the curriculum itself is not designed by accident.

[Montgomery-Scott]

dude, the fact that these teachers are telling you facts that support a liberal standpoint shouldn't phase you. Would you still ask for the teacher to be fired if he was all like "I hate Iraq, we should bomb the shit out of those arab fuckers" and "all you liberal whiners should stop bitching about the election, we won *heheheh* no really!" would you be telling us that they should resign then? i didn't think so.