prime minister balkenende

[maverick-6661]

i think that balkenende is the puppy off bush he really stinks and he is an very awfull bad minister

[Scumputer]

At 8/22/04 04:29 AM, maverick_6661 wrote: i think that balkenende is the puppy off bush he really stinks and he is an very awfull bad minister

Indeed dude, my country's goverment sucks ass and we had enough problems already and that moron made it only even worse. He's complete and totally ass.

[mrpopenfresh]

Whos Balkende?

[Scumputer]

At 8/22/04 12:00 PM, masterpopenfresh wrote: Whos Balkende?

uhh dude look at my profile, he's prime minister of my country.

[mrpopenfresh]

At 8/22/04 12:03 PM, Scumputer wrote:

At 8/22/04 12:00 PM, masterpopenfresh wrote: Whos Balkende?

uhh dude look at my profile, he's prime minister of my country.

Uuuuuh dude how was I suppposed to know that? Neteherlands rarely gets any coverage. Hell, I wasn't even sure if it was a real countrie or a region!

Now tell me why he is teh sux.

[Scumputer]

At 8/22/04 12:05 PM, masterpopenfresh wrote:

Uuuuuh dude how was I suppposed to know that? Neteherlands rarely gets any coverage. Hell, I wasn't even sure if it was a real countrie or a region!

Now tell me why he is teh sux.

Because we dont get much coverage doesnt mean we dont exist. i mean i dont hear much about America but i DO KNOW that its a country. Anyway why he's so sucky? he looks like Harry Potter and only wants to save money on education and our health services. And in these sectors it isnt going very well at the time. We have almost no teachers and hardly any doctors. And our waiting lists are longer then the Empire State building. And the rest of my goverment sits on its ass and only listens to the prime minister.

[maverick-6661]

At 8/22/04 12:13 PM, Scumputer wrote: And our waiting lists are longer then the Empire State building. And the rest of my goverment sits on its ass and only listens to the prime minister.

duuuuuuh my mother is handicapd she had to wait on a wheelchair for over a year that is not normal!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scumputer]

At 8/23/04 04:22 AM, maverick_6661 wrote:

:: duuuuuuh my mother is handicapd she had to wait on a wheelchair for over a year that is not normal!!!!!!!!!!!

tell me about it. Some people have trouble with their hart and get a hart attack every week and still they are put on a waiting list and that just genocide. Waiting for people to die aint very human. But wait a sec, Balkenede maybe in charge but in fact he can do nothing more then give as much money as possible but still he has a weak goverment and you see often on the internet sites of the Neteherlands and then you get some kind of question of: "what was the greatest disaster from 2004 in the Neteherlands?"
1: Crippiling health services
2: Balkenende
3: Low money budget on education.
And 91% of the voters voted on 2.

[maverick-6661]

duuuuuh do you know the guy who killed pim fortuyn?
i think he had to kill balkenende

[BlueMax]

I don't know much about Balkenende. Truth be told, I wouldn't know except for the fact that it showed up in the NG political column.

As I understand it, most of Europe is over-socialized. Taxes are too high, and new businesses are too hard to form. The Governments protect businesses that already exist, and the citizens, at the cost of very high taxes.

Is Balkenende a bad guy for cutting social programs? Well, is the Netherlands in debt? Is it suffering from outsourcing of jobs? Is there some problem with the economy? My guess is that there is. I doubt Balkenende would just cut social programs for the sheer joy of it. If the Netherlands elected him, does he have the mandate of the Dutch?

[maverick-6661]

At 8/26/04 02:09 AM, BlueMax wrote:. If the Netherlands elected him, does he have the mandate of the Dutch?

eeeeeeeeeh dude the people who vote for him are all saying now that he is bad!!!!!

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

Well, if everyone is decided on the issue, then it shouldn't be too hard to get him out of office, right?

Please understand that my notion of politics across the Atlantic ocean are rather.....vague.

[maverick-6661]

At 8/26/04 08:44 AM, EvilGovernmentAgents wrote: Well, if everyone is decided on the issue, then it shouldn't be too hard to get him out of office right

well in my country the president can not be removed by the citizen's

[Phineus]

How would he be removed then? Or can't he be removed by any means?

[Scumputer]

At 8/26/04 12:33 PM, Phineus wrote: How would he be removed then? Or can't he be removed by any means?

There is one way: use violence. And im not saying that it is a option that always works, it just something you have to use sometimes, if they dont want to hear you let them feel you.

[Scumputer]

At 8/26/04 02:09 AM, BlueMax wrote:

Is Balkenende a bad guy for cutting social programs? Well, is the Netherlands in debt? Is it suffering from outsourcing of jobs? Is there some problem with the economy? My guess is that there is. I doubt Balkenende would just cut social programs for the sheer joy of it. If the Netherlands elected him, does he have the mandate of the Dutch?

No, he doesn't have the mandate of much of the people over here. The Netherlands are not in debt, we still have some money left, but it doesn't goes to the right sector. And yes, we have bigass problems with the economy. Right now, even God couldn't take us out of this mess. But some guys of the goverment say that the future holds more money.

[maverick-6661]

At 8/26/04 12:33 PM, Phineus wrote: How would he be removed then? Or can't he be removed by any means?

yes he can be removed .

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

At 8/26/04 12:27 PM, maverick_6661 wrote: well in my country the president can not be removed by the citizen's

I don't think you could do that in any country anyways.

What I was refering to was some kind of impeachment, or referendum of some sort.

In no country do the citizens hold the sole power to legally get rid of a leader without use of force.

[maverick-6661]

Fuck rules

down with balkellende!!!!!!!!!!

[lapslf]

At 8/26/04 02:09 AM, BlueMax wrote: I don't know much about Balkenende. Truth be told, I wouldn't know except for the fact that it showed up in the NG political column.

As I understand it, most of Europe is over-socialized. Taxes are too high, and new businesses are too hard to form. The Governments protect businesses that already exist, and the citizens, at the cost of very high taxes.

That's bullshit. Europe isn't over-socialized, the US is under-socialized. If you lose you're job over here in the Netherlands, you're sure to get some financiel help from the state. Sure, there are a few lazy fucks who shouldn't benefit from this, but most people really want a job and can't get one. Sure, it might be a bit diffecult for the big bussinesses, but I think the wel being of the people is more important then the profits of a bunch of rich fucks. The taxes might be a tad higher than in the US, but at least we have a progressive tax system.

Is Balkenende a bad guy for cutting social programs? Well, is the Netherlands in debt? Is it suffering from outsourcing of jobs? Is there some problem with the economy? My guess is that there is. I doubt Balkenende would just cut social programs for the sheer joy of it. If the Netherlands elected him, does he have the mandate of the Dutch?

We do have a big national debt, but this Balkenfuck wants to get rid of this before 2007, which is just stupid and impossible. A little national debt isn't that much of a problem. Solve the big issues first. The economy is kinda slow at the moment, but our government isn't really doing much effective about it. All they do is cutting in the wages and social programs and say we just have to take it. Oh, and they also waste time and money by blabbering about morals and stuff. And bitching about how we make fun of the royal family. Shoot that stupid froghead fuck named Balkenende. Seriously. (doesn't mean that shooting Pim Fortuyn wasn't a good idea)

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

At 8/29/04 07:43 AM, maverick_6661 wrote: Fuck rules

down with balkellende!!!!!!!!!!

Okaaay, but how about answering me?

Why can't he be voted out of office this minute?

[BlueMax]

At 8/29/04 02:00 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

That's bullshit. Europe isn't over-socialized, the US is under-socialized. If you lose you're job over here in the Netherlands, you're sure to get some financiel help from the state. Sure, there are a few lazy fucks who shouldn't benefit from this, but most people really want a job and can't get one. Sure, it might be a bit diffecult for the big bussinesses, but I think the wel being of the people is more important then the profits of a bunch of rich fucks. The taxes might be a tad higher than in the US, but at least we have a progressive tax system.

--At the cost of higher taxes of course. What in history makes you think that the government knows how to spend its money better than the people? The fundamental princple of socialism is literally robbing peter to pay paul. Why does paul have any right to take peters stuff? That is why I'm opposed to socialism. If you look at communist countries, you notice how dysfunctional they are, because planned economys are inefficient. Low taxes and big business are the best means for long term economic growth

We do have a big national debt, but this Balkenfuck wants to get rid of this before 2007, which is just stupid and impossible. A little national debt isn't that much of a problem. Solve the big issues first. The economy is kinda slow at the moment, but our government isn't really doing much effective about it. All they do is cutting in the wages and social programs and say we just have to take it. Oh, and they also waste time and money by blabbering about morals and stuff. And bitching about how we make fun of the royal family. Shoot that stupid froghead fuck named Balkenende. Seriously. (doesn't mean that shooting Pim Fortuyn wasn't a good idea)

--Debt isn't free. Inherently, it drains money in the form of interest that could be used for government use. A different, but also real aspect of national debt is that a high national debt makes it harder to borrow money, restricting growth. The only ways to pay back debt are to get really lucky and get more tax revenue, cut funding to pay it, and raise taxes to pay for it.

--What percent of the Netherlands GDP is the national debt? If its about %100 or more, debt is a serious problem.

--I'm not going to support a guy I don't know about. But hard times require hard choices, and I'd be interested in what you suggest will restore the Netherlands economic well being.

[FRIMA]

At 8/22/04 04:29 AM, maverick_6661 wrote: i think that balkenende is the puppy off bush he really stinks and he is an very awfull bad minister

Every time he comes on tv and explains stuff you're never sure what he actually wants.
(i'm dutch but i live in belgium)

[lapslf]

At 8/29/04 03:38 PM, EvilGovernmentAgents wrote: Why can't he be voted out of office this minute?

Because we live in the Netherlands, not California. Unless this guy does something reaaaaaaaaally bad, we can't kick him out until the next elections.

[lapslf]

At 8/30/04 01:29 AM, BlueMax wrote: --At the cost of higher taxes of course. What in history makes you think that the government knows how to spend its money better than the people? The fundamental princple of socialism is literally robbing peter to pay paul. Why does paul have any right to take peters stuff? That is why I'm opposed to socialism. If you look at communist countries, you notice how dysfunctional they are, because planned economys are inefficient. Low taxes and big business are the best means for long term economic growth

If Peter is rich and Paul is poor, I think Peter has the right to some of his stuff, especially when he is working just as hard (or probably harder) than Peter. You see socialism as robbing. I see it as compassion. And about your love for the free market: History has pointed out that a pure free market economic only works for the rich. Also, there is a very big difference between a keneysian economy, like most European country's have, and a communist economy. You tend to see any sign of socialism as communism. That's kind of exaggerating.

--Debt isn't free. Inherently, it drains money in the form of interest that could be used for government use. A different, but also real aspect of national debt is that a high national debt makes it harder to borrow money, restricting growth. The only ways to pay back debt are to get really lucky and get more tax revenue, cut funding to pay it, and raise taxes to pay for it.

--What percent of the Netherlands GDP is the national debt? If its about %100 or more, debt is a serious problem.

--I'm not going to support a guy I don't know about. But hard times require hard choices, and I'd be interested in what you suggest will restore the Netherlands economic well being.

Debt creates, in a way, some demand. I admit it does more harm than good, but people always tend to blow up the effect of national debt. I think putting money in our education and health care, which are in a very poor state right now, is way more important right now than paying the debt.

How to restore the economic well being? Well, I think any dumbass fuck who has a bit of economics knows that when the economy is slow, you have to invest in it. So, fuck repaying the debt for a while, and invest in businesses and expand governmental projects. This creates jobs, which leads to more consumption, which leads to more demand, which leads to a higher production which leads to even more jobs. Easy as pie.

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

At 8/30/04 06:04 AM, Veggiemeal wrote: Because we live in the Netherlands, not California.

Well, for my sake, the only knowledge of California that I have is what my sister talks about when she's done watching the OC, a TV "show."

Not to mention that I've never been there.

Unless this guy does something reaaaaaaaaally bad, we can't kick him out until the next elections.

So therefore, he's not as bad as I've been lead to expect?

Even if you're all terribly displeased with him, you can't kick him out until election, or he abuses government power (like killing somebody?)

[maverick-6661]

hm well this topic is about balkellende

[maverick-6661]

anyone here?

[lapslf]

At 8/30/04 08:24 AM, EvilGovernmentAgents wrote: So therefore, he's not as bad as I've been lead to expect?

Even if you're all terribly displeased with him, you can't kick him out until election, or he abuses government power (like killing somebody?)

He doesn't abuse government power. A lot of people just disagree with his policy's. You can't just kick a politician who's party had a majority of the votes out. Do you think that's odd? I mean, you can't kick Bush out either, although half the country hates his guts and he very much abuses his government power.

We're just stuck with the asswipe for four years. Not my fault though, I didn't vote for him.

[maverick-6661]

off course you can kick him out just use violence

viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!!