some countries lack food for humans

[stafffighter]

http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/ne...120&photoid=20040817NYR101

In america we have the excess to provide for idiocy like this. Do you get the sence that the idea of existing as a world community ended at some point?
This made me realize that a lot of what we take for granted exists because of the excess we turn our noses up at the system for haveing. Goths get to dress up like vampires because as depressing as their lives are they stand a good chance of crossing the street without being shot or blown up. Punks get to scream anarchy because they don't live in parts of the world where lack of order is a very non musical, non electricy, non medical care reality. Slackers, do I even need to do an example?
Please stick to the actual political point I'm makeing here and refrain for discussing the nuiances of a cat resturaunt

[TheShrike]

Stafff, I'm beginning to think you are bent on ruining my faith in human kind.

But it's true, what you say.

Take all the radical left-wingers on this board, for instance. All bitch and whine and moan about the government or society, or whatever, yet their idea of taking a part of things, their idea of contributing the good of all humankind, basically boils down to whining about it on an entertainment site's BBS. Silly things like voting are senseless acts, and should be avoided due to poor choice of candidates.

I don't know where I'm going with this... Just adding my 2¢, I suppose.

[witeshark]

The idea that rich nations exist in a manner that ignores certain other places, of course you're right. Been that way a long time

[UnusualDrug]

Of course it's sad that these people with so much money and / or power never do anything better with their lives than frivolous things while others suffer. We already have so many luxuries and it would only seem to natural to provide others with the same benefits through our excess, right?

Completely wrong. People are living cocktails of free will, greed, and apathy. It's so great.

But if this is what's on your mind, go read Vonnegut's "God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater".

[stafffighter]

Charles Dickens' "A tale of two cities." Examines the issue even further back. SUck diffrences have always existed on some level. And it's shown they always will to at least some degree because practical eamples have shown socialism to plain not work.

[stafffighter]

Well there's a reason for the policy involveing other countries, and it's based around the fact that if you feed your own kids it's what you're supposed to do, but if you give to someone else you're a hero.

[antiklaus]

At 8/18/04 10:53 PM, TheShrike wrote: Stafff, I'm beginning to think you are bent on ruining my faith in human kind.

But it's true, what you say.

Take all the radical left-wingers on this board,

Do you HAVE to politicize this?

If any group is responsible it is BIG MONEY - which knows no political loyalties.

Tossing in my 3 cents because I *DO* get involved.

[stafffighter]

It does go both sides. There is the big money and moral conservatism that grows from living beyond nessesity and liberals who complain about both third world famine and the evils of eating meat.

[Lord-Humungus]

The really sad thing is that when we DO send food to other countrys,the local milita just takes it...to eat(then they have more money for guns) and to sell(even more money for guns)
If we send money,already wealthy Govrenment officials just steal it...... humans in general can be a bunch of scumbags no matter WHERE in the world they are!

[TheShrike]

At 8/19/04 04:52 AM, antiklaus wrote: Do you HAVE to politicize this?

Every issue has a political charge. Get over it. Besides, I can't leave it to you to complain about yourself, so get off my nuts already.

If any group is responsible it is BIG MONEY - which knows no political loyalties.

I disagree. There may be more money and influence there, but let us not forget that they are vastly outnumbered, and that if everyone were truly happy with their station in life, not much would stop a revolt.

This thread is more about the apathy of the common man than it is about blaming the problems of society upon any single group.

Tossing in my 3 cents because I *DO* get involved.

Good for you, anti. I shall hope that you are not just saying this, to save face.

'cause that would be the exact kind of hypocritical bullshit I was talking about. ~And that's my 4¢.

[TheShrike]

At 8/19/04 12:12 PM, TheShrike wrote: if everyone were truly happy with their station in life, not much would stop a revolt.

* unhappy

[stafffighter]

If everyone was happy who would be revolting? The issue is acedemic anyway because absolutes are impossible with the x factor that is humanity.

[bumcheekcity]

Shrike, out of interest, how do you know all us radical left-wingers aren't doing something to further what we believe is right?

[antiklaus]

Every issue has a political charge. Get over it. Besides, I can't leave it to you to complain about yourself, so get off my nuts already.

You blame the radical left, who would probably socialize food so this kinda place wouldnt exist. If anyone is to blame, its the apathetic centrists and fence straddlers who havent got the moral conviction to think outside of the party straight jackets.

I disagree. There may be more money and influence there, but let us not forget that they are vastly outnumbered, and that if everyone were truly happy with their station in life, not much would stop a revolt.

The article is about apathy, and you talk about revolts... not the most solid of arguments there. Revolution only occurs when a huge group is so oppressed that they have no other choice - and even then - the people have to think they have a chance to succeed, or they will simply try another way to beat the system - via crime or whatever else.

This thread is more about the apathy of the common man than it is about blaming the problems of society upon any single group.

yet you hop right on the radical left in your opening breath. Good job. I'm glad you can eventually find your feet after yanking them out of your mouth.

Good for you, anti. I shall hope that you are not just saying this, to save face.

'cause that would be the exact kind of hypocritical bullshit I was talking about. ~And that's my 4¢.

Much like the rest of the people at the bottom of the socio-economic bracket, I have learned that community is one of the most powerful forces we can reliably turn to. I look out for my fellows. I volunteer my services and time to them, I even donate my PC several hours a week to people who would not otherwise get a chance to use one.

I find it easy and natural to blame elites for my predicaments out of a sense of common sense.

I have worked several events where elites were raising money for 'pets over people' - the decadent spreads of lavish food that were artistically created were a cornucopia that most of us would never see in our wildest dreams...

...and with a sense of horrific disgust, I watched as over 75% of these foods were tossed like trash. I was taken aback.
I would have gladly taken a 'second hand' chocolate swan full of luscious fresh cherries ('wtf is a fresh fruit?' I often wonder) or one of the baskets of 30 types of bread, or one of the other types of mildly fondled foods and brought them to share with the needy or hungry.

Worse still, just outside this great meeting place of such 'beneficence', the homeless live like rats in the shadows of steel trusses. And the garbage cans are locked to keep the hungry from partaking in the scraps of a decadent feast.

[TheShrike]

At 8/20/04 04:00 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Shrike, out of interest, how do you know all us radical left-wingers aren't doing something to further what we believe is right?

All generalizations are false.
1-I'm speaking exclusively about newgrounders.
2-And I know most aren't doing shit. Little factors like age, ridiculous amounts of time spent on NG, and whining about the job they have at McDonalds are the key to the mystery.

[TheShrike]

At 8/20/04 04:33 AM, antiklaus wrote: If anyone is to blame, its the apathetic centrists and fence straddlers who havent got the moral conviction to think outside of the party straight jackets.

No argument there. Well, except the part where you try and absolve the radical left.

The article is about apathy, and you talk about revolts... not the most solid of arguments there.

And where the hell are you going with it? With each passing encounter, I believe more and more that you actually read and comprehend my posts less and less. I know that this is about apathy, goddamnit! I MENTIONED IT IN THE SAME DAMN POST YOU JUST REPLIED TO.

The whole point of mentioning war is that if enough people are unhappy, a revolt would be easy to stage. I'm not talking about every man, woman and child being pissed at the system, I'm talking about a majority of the people acting upon what they feel in their hearts, acting upon those feelings of contempt for the rich and elite, acting upon the urge to change the major disparities that give rise to things like excess and famine. The whole point was ABOUT THE APATHY OF THE COMMON MAN. People feel these things, but they do not act upon them. I was expressing a la...

I feel like I am wasting my breath. You'll read this any way you want to, and to hell with what was meant

yet you hop right on the radical left in your opening breath.

In case you haven't noticed, I declare no alignment, but my views tend to be leftist. So calling me one is hardly a problem for me.

Good job.

Good job on what? Just because I have views all over the spectrum, somehow means I am not allowed to bitch about one side? If I were to attack the right, would you nod your head, or dissect my every word?

I'm glad you can eventually find your feet after yanking them out of your mouth.

Good luck on making that fantasy come true. You're still rather poor at making me feel any regret or remorse for my words. You should try and change opinions, not bore me to death with mediocre speeches full of radical-left bullshit. You're more polarized than bush, and it makes me sick.

I volunteer my services and time to them, I even donate my PC several hours a week to people who would not otherwise get a chance to use one.

Like I said, good for you. =]

I find it easy and natural to blame elites for my predicaments out of a sense of common sense.

What? That they're rich & decadent and you're not? Spend less time on the blame, and more on the solution.

[bombkangaroo]

At 8/20/04 04:33 AM, antiklaus wrote: Worse still, just outside this great meeting place of such 'beneficence', the homeless live like rats in the shadows of steel trusses. And the garbage cans are locked to keep the hungry from partaking in the scraps of a decadent feast.

it's sad when people need that kind of motivation to go collect dole money, or look for a job.

[antiklaus]

At 8/20/04 09:55 AM, bombkangaroo wrote:

At 8/20/04 04:33 AM, antiklaus wrote: Worse still, just outside this great meeting place of such 'beneficence', the homeless live like rats in the shadows of steel trusses. And the garbage cans are locked to keep the hungry from partaking in the scraps of a decadent feast.

it's sad when people need that kind of motivation to go collect dole money, or look for a job.

Some people have exhausted their 'dole' or are too proud to accept the charity.. and a lot of these homeless have no capability to get work.

What's the first line of a job application say? "Name Address..."

Catch 22 for a homeless person. You cant put "The GR Brown convention center bridge" as an address and expect work...

Wasting food is a crime in my eyes... especially when hunger exists so close by...

[Maus]

At 8/20/04 02:40 PM, antiklaus wrote: What's the first line of a job application say? "Name Address..."

Catch 22 for a homeless person. You cant put "The GR Brown convention center bridge" as an address and expect work...

That's actually untrue. Homeless people can use a shelter's address as their own when seeking employment. Many choose not to, because of the rules shelters have, like no drugs and alcohol. That places the blame back on their shoulders.

Wasting food is a crime in my eyes... especially when hunger exists so close by...

Soooo....you would rather send it to a country that can't sustain it's own agriculture? Do you know what happens when you feed a starving population? They increase their numbers, thereby creating even MORE starving people that can't grow their own food. A real Catch 22.

If people were really concerned about poverty, they should work in their own cities to lessen the hunger and need. Go down to your local food pantries and soup kitchens and volunteer on a day other than Thanksgiving or Christmas, the only time of year that people seem to think of the disadvantaged. Adopt a family, and help them out. Be active in your OWN community, rather than worrying about people halfway around the world.

[XcakerX]

At 8/18/04 10:44 PM, stafffighter wrote: http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/ne...120&photoid=20040817NYR101

In america we have the excess to provide for idiocy like this. Do you get the sence that the idea of existing as a world community ended at some point?

This made me realize that a lot of what we take for granted exists because of the excess we turn our noses up at the system for haveing. Goths get to dress up like vampires because as depressing as their lives are they stand a good chance of crossing the street without being shot or blown up.

All goths vampires???? oh boy, you post on NG to much and don't get out enough. I am not quite sure what originally was goth, and nor do I really care, but anyone really old who says they were into goth along time ago say its dead, and that a bunch of fashionable kids tookover, and they have nothing to do with what goth.

:Punks get to scream anarchy because they don't live in parts of the world where lack of order is a very non musical, non electricy, non medical care reality.
Most real punks would still be anarchists without the music. They're have been people like punks long before the ramones in 1977. I guess you never heard of crusty punks aka squat punks, or even chaos punks. Oh shit, wait people on NG think blink182 is a prime example of a punk rock band. Nevermind, punks dead, explaining it terms NG is gonna understand(what, it has nothing to do with fashionable clothes), is pointless. Nevermind, just nevermind.

:Slackers, do I even need to do an example?
there is no political/social theory behind slackerdom. Its the art of doing nothing.

ALL HAIL KOMRADE STAFFFIGHTER. We dare dress diffrently from the guy next to us, wait we can't because people are starving. True communist mentality. One mold to fit all, don't agree, you are a capitialist pig, and will be executed.

[Ceciliantas]

yea I know, we stuff our faces while those poor people starve to death, and with all the war and such they suffer even more. Really sucks...