Abortion

[glock17-c]

Allright, I am sick of abortion and all the lies that cover it up. I think all of it should be banned. You might not think that when the sperm hits the egg, that it is a living human being, but then again, you are entitled to your opinion...

[Maus]

How about letting a woman choose what to do with her own body?

[exide-edge]

At 8/17/04 12:26 AM, Maus wrote: How about letting a woman choose what to do with her own body?

It's not "her" body thats in question. It's the body of the unborn human being thats inside her.

Abortion is wrong for the same reason murdering an adult is wrong.

[Spookshow]

At 8/17/04 12:26 AM, Maus wrote: How about letting a woman choose what to do with her own body?

What about when it's detremental sp* to herself, the child or society?

[theburningliberal]

This is my idea on Abortion:

As a practice, I don't approve of it. I object to the murder of fetuses. However, I don't feel as if a federal ban is the way to go, because a federal ban would go even further in stripping Americans of their rights. (Although the Republicans have not shown themselves adverse to stripping Americans of their rights) I think Abortion should be eradicated via education, and the natural way of things. As it is, abortion is less prominent now than it was 10 years ago, and teen pregancy is down as well. Abortion is fading into non-existence, and as education and other efforts to curb unwanted pregnancy gain momentum, the need for abortions will go down dramatically.

[AoHx-zero]

abortion it wrong....... >.< it pisses me off because if the couple has sex then the choose to have the baby but after having it then a baby is formed and then she changes her ming about it and has the baby killed its just wrong god damn it!!! kerry should do somthing about it!!!

[AoHx-zero]

sorry about the typos...--^ i was in a rush....

[RedSkunk]

At 8/17/04 12:16 AM, IraquiHunter357 wrote: You might not think that when the sperm hits the egg, that it is a living human being, but then again, you are entitled to your opinion...

Yeah, I don't think it is.

[TheWakingDeath]

I can't believe this topic is 8 posts long. Especially since your handle is IraquiHunter.

[Maus]

I see that the ones that have such a strong opposition to abortions are ones that can never have one.

If I am raped, am I obligated to keep the baby? If having the baby will kill me, am I still obligated? If I am a crack addict, is it still the best thing for that unborn being?

Until that fetus can live outside my body, it is very much 'mine' and a part of my body, and I should have every right to decide what to do with it.

[fli]

I don't know if I could truly accept the word from a person who claims to value life with a username like "IraquiHunter357".

[Spookshow]

At 8/17/04 01:29 AM, Maus wrote: I see that the ones that have such a strong opposition to abortions are ones that can never have one.

If I were married I would never ask my wife to do it, nor if I were a woman would I do it.

If I am raped, am I obligated to keep the baby? If having the baby will kill me, am I still obligated? If I am a crack addict, is it still the best thing for that unborn being?

I have stated before the exceptions for abortion are: Rape, Incest, danger, etc.

Until that fetus can live outside my body, it is very much 'mine' and a part of my body, and I should have every right to decide what to do with it.

See above. I think what people are trying to curb by banning some forms of abortion are random teenage pregnancy and irresponsibilty.

[LexanPhoenix]

At 8/17/04 12:16 AM, IraquiHunter357 wrote: Allright, I am sick of abortion and all the lies that cover it up. I think all of it should be banned. You might not think that when the sperm hits the egg, that it is a living human being, but then again, you are entitled to your opinion...

OK, but what if the woman is raped and consequently gets pregnant? What if the woman can't support the child she didn't want? Well, you are saying basically that you are forcing her to have the child, but you won't help her out when it comes to raising it. Some people just can't afford a child. They can barely support themselves. If, for some reason, they get pregnant, by forcing them to have a child you are forcing them deeper into poverty. Also, they'll prolly just ditch the child in a dumpster or something so its screwed anyway. Besides, the aborted child could help in stem cell research, which really will save lives.

[Maus]

At 8/17/04 01:42 AM, Spookshow wrote: reasonable opinions

My post wasn't directed to you. It was directed at the topic starter, that wants to ban all abortions. Certainly, abortion should not be used as a form of birth control, that I agree with.

[Elfer]

At 8/17/04 01:28 AM, Izuamoto wrote: I can't believe this topic is 8 posts long. Especially since your handle is IraquiHunter.

Now watch it grow to a thousand posts.

And watch people use the same arguments over and over again!

Potential for life!
Double standard for murder of pregnant women!
Shouldn't have sex if you can't accept the consequences!
People's right to choose!
"It's my body, it's my decision!"
Rape victims!

And of course, both sides will be calling each other nazis.

Thank you for choosing abortion airlines, enjoy your thread!

[Spookshow]

At 8/17/04 01:53 AM, Maus wrote:

At 8/17/04 01:42 AM, Spookshow wrote: reasonable opinions

My post wasn't directed to you. It was directed at the topic starter, that wants to ban all abortions. Certainly, abortion should not be used as a form of birth control, that I agree with.

Whoops. I thought you were. I have no problem what someone does with her body as long as she is responsible. If she just goes out and has unprotected sex and gets pregnant then decides full well she made a mistake after life has started, that is what I think is wrong.

At 8/17/04 02:03 AM, Someone wrote:

Now watch it grow to a thousand posts.

That's kind of extreme.

And watch people use the same arguments over and over again!

Watch people post the same topics over and over again.

Potential for life!

That's a good argument.

Double standard for murder of pregnant women!

Why shouldn't someone get punished for snuffing out two lives?

Shouldn't have sex if you can't accept the consequences!

That's the best one yet. :) You should'nt kill something just because your body is doing something natural.

People's right to choose!

Not when certain conditions are not met.

"It's my body, it's my decision!"

See above.

Rape victims!

They should have the right to an abortion.

And of course, both sides will be calling each other nazis.

That happens every five seconds anyway.

Thank you for choosing abortion airlines, enjoy your thread!

Can I have a Sprite and some peanuts?

[The-General-Public]

You know what's interesting? Before the Civil War, the ones who criticized slavery the most couldn't own slaves since they lived in states where it was illegal and/or couldn't afford it!

[Spookshow]

At 8/17/04 05:02 AM, The_General_Public wrote: You know what's interesting? Before the Civil War, the ones who criticized slavery the most couldn't own slaves since they lived in states where it was illegal and/or couldn't afford it!

I think you have abortion and the Abolition messed up...

[Madadder]

At 8/17/04 01:59 AM, Elfer wrote:

At 8/17/04 01:28 AM, Izuamoto wrote: I can't believe this topic is 8 posts long. Especially since your handle is IraquiHunter.

Now watch it grow to a thousand posts.

And watch people use the same arguments over and over again!

Potential for life!
Double standard for murder of pregnant women!
Shouldn't have sex if you can't accept the consequences!
People's right to choose!
"It's my body, it's my decision!"
Rape victims!

And of course, both sides will be calling each other nazis.

Thank you for choosing abortion airlines, enjoy your thread!

Shut up you Nazi!

Sorry, had to do it. I do belive that abortion should be legal, but I can't mention any reasons why because they have already been mentioned so many times before me that it would become banal to do so. All I can ask is this, IraquiHunter, if you were a 15 year old girl and you had sex with a 43 year old crack head, your parents refused to help you out, you have no money (because your parents have now disowned you) to pay for the hospital bills, and you knew the baby would have a 2% chance of living because it was going to be deformed (crack did this), then what would your position on abortion be?

[antiklaus]

At 8/17/04 12:16 AM, IraquiHunter357 wrote: Allright, I am sick of abortion and all the lies that cover it up. I think all of it should be banned. You might not think that when the sperm hits the egg, that it is a living human being, but then again, you are entitled to your opinion...

The same people that 'hate' abortion are almost always the same people who 'hate' social welfare, yet favor the death penalty. Odd that several of these 'haters' turn out to be some of our earliest home-brewed terrorists who are actually willing to assassinate doctors and visitors to clinics to 'prove' their value of life.

Is abortion of a fertilized egg murder? If so then 99% of all sexually active females are murderers. Their bodies naturally slough off fertilized eggs on a regular basis.

So evidently the most conservative estimates make almost every woman guilty of murder by their definitions. This is plain silly.

The real question is 'when does humanity begin?' and is it ok to abort a fetus after that point?

Scientists have measured brain-wave patterns like those during dreaming at 8 months gestation. Carl Sagan discusses this point in his final book. He suggests that the one factor that is uniquely human is our ability to think. Thus we become persons when the cerebral cortex is in place and "large-scale linking up of neurons" begins. This does not start until the 24th to 27th week of pregnancy -- the sixth month.

So any abortions that take place before then are merely (as disgusting as the appearance might seem) disposal of humanlike tissue. It's not a person yet.

Does this mean I condone late term abortion? Actually no. I find it a bad method of birth control that is unduly traumatic on everyone involved.

But I think ultimately, up to that point - it's the two people involved in the creation of that tissue as to what to do with it. And as the carrier of the tissue, the woman deserves a greater level of control, since in our culture, possession is property. And all laws are supposed to resort to control of property.

I will say this though, If I had a choice between allowing destitute women to get abortions because they knew they were going to have yet another mouth to feed, or forcing them to create a life destined to a lifetime of poverty and social need, I'd allow the abortion.

[JudoHobo]

I think there should be a ban on abortions, but no one will be told that there is a ban
when she goes to the doctor and asks for an abortion, she will be kidnapped by ninjas and taken to an invisible basement, where she will be force-fed raw bacon until she has the baby, in 8 or so months
then, when she has the baby, she will have to kill it
and there will be a crowd yelling "ABORT THE BABY!!!!" while she starts crying, and when she does, the ninjas slice her boob off, and keep slicing random sexual organs until she kills the baby

Short story: I'm against abortion, but all for ninjas, bacon, and killing babies

[bumcheekcity]

If abortion is wrong because killing an unborn baby that didn't do anything wrong is wrong, then murder in case of rape/incest/danger to the mothers life is also wrong.

The baby didn't do anything...

[Subtle-Seductress]

Once a woman creates another living being it is not here body in question, Abortion is a cruel and immoral act. I think that it should be illegal but since thats not gonna happen I think it should be illegal after the 6 week period, do you realize how abortion works? It kills a child but often times the child (or fetus if your more comfortable) is born alive even at just 8 weeks old, it dies shortly after but.... my mom worked in a clinic for a while through college until she saw the real side of it, often the fetus would be breathing and alive and it would be layed in a metal bin until it died (lungs weren't fully developed so it would die it just took a few minutes) unless the childs skull was already to developed in which case they would take these vice things and crush its skull inside the mother and pull it out then "vacuum" up the remainders. Many forms are more than disgusting they are like something out of a sci-fi horror film. You don't just take a pill and it go away, it's not just cells it's a tiny baby that's just not capable to survive on it's own yet. I don't even support it when a child will be "handicapped" the doctors told my mom from month two that i should be aborted because I would be born deaf, dumb, blind, or i would kill her and me during labor... my mom did have a mild stroke while having me and i was born with a calcium deficiency, big whoop. I am actually a "gifted" child I have fine vision and hearing and the "defect" I had was corrected by taking flinstone vitamins twice a day... yea i should have been aborted....

Just remember your mother was pro-life

[Spookshow]

Good points. My mom wanted me dead now look! Lucky you gets to read this. If as many people had had an abortion when they wanted to what do you think would've happened to some of the worlds greatest minds?

[bumcheekcity]

At 8/17/04 10:31 AM, Spookshow wrote: Good points. My mom wanted me dead now look! Lucky you gets to read this. If as many people had had an abortion when they wanted to what do you think would've happened to some of the worlds greatest minds?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hitlers Mother wanted him aborted, so there you go. Your point dissolved.

[Subtle-Seductress]

What is growing in the womb of the woman is alive.
Even one celled creatures are alive.
What is growing in the woman is more than a one celled creature.
The nature of the life is human.
It is the product of human DNA, therefore it's nature is human.
Because it is human in nature, if left to live, it will result in a human baby.
Humans are humans not because they have a feet, hands, walk vertically, and speak, etc. They are humans because of their nature.
A person born without arms and legs is still human.
A person who cannot speak is still human.
A person in a coma, helpless, unaware, unmoving, is human.
What is growing in the womb does not have the nature of an animal, a bird, or a fish. It has human nature.
To abort the life, which is human in nature, is to kill that which is human in nature.
Therefore, abortion is killing a life which is human by nature.
Where, then, does the mother get the right to kill the human within her.

[Spookshow]

At 8/17/04 10:50 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hitlers Mother wanted him aborted, so there you go. Your point dissolved.

Yes but he wasn't and the indirect by-product of that was the hardening of the Greatest Generation. The good does sometimes out weigh the bad.

[Subtle-Seductress]

A women has tuberculosis, and the father has syphilis.
Together they had four children.

Their first child was born blind...
The second child was stillborn...
The third child was deaf & dumb...
and their fourth was born with tuberculosis.

They're now pregnant with their fifth child.
And can't really afford it
Would you recommend that they abort this child?

[Subtle-Seductress]

You just killed Beethoven

1. There's a preacher and wife who are very, very, poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she's pregnant with her 15th. They're living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?

2. A white man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?

3. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Here fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he's very upset. Would you consider recommending abortion?

Answers:
If you have answered "yes" in any of these situations:

In the first case, you have just killed John Wesley. One of the great evangelists of the 19th century.

In the second case, you have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer.

If you said yes to the third case, you have just declared the murder of Jesus Christ!

[The-Enforcer]

At 8/17/04 12:16 AM, IraquiHunter357 wrote: Allright, I am sick of abortion and all the lies that cover it up. I think all of it should be banned. You might not think that when the sperm hits the egg, that it is a living human being, but then again, you are entitled to your opinion...

Right on sister!

If the Constitutions bill of rights applies to illegal aliens then it most definitely applies to unborn children.

Stop the madness ya'll