Ban Medicine

[isthatlegal]

First of all, before you even think about replying you need to know about evolution (DARWIN). If you already understand it, then fine.. if not i suggest you go here and download and read the texts...

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Right then, as we all shud now know, we evolve via the surrvival of the fittest. But becasue of medicin, that is no longer the case.

An example of one problem is that;
If more and more women keen having 'help' to concieve, then eventually the genes that make these women naturally infirtile will spread throughout the human race (in quite a few hundred years, obviously) thus, every woman will need help in concieving.

this is only one thing that could happen!

there are other such problems, such as;
The germs are becomming imune to different medicins, and eventually, there probobly wont be anything left to fight the bacteria with. And by that time, humans will be so dependant on medical help, that we will just perrish...

Yes, i do realise that this may seem a little extremist, but we shud at-least stop certain people from "breeding". for the future on mankind!

But none of this really matters, cos the world will end soon...

-Dan

[little-bald-kid]

I bet your opinion on that will soon change when you contract any given disease.

[slicindicin]

Perhaps it is beneficial to allow these people to breed because they have other traits that make up for their deficiency. The same argument could have been made for people who wear glasses, but there are plenty of people who have imperfect vision who are great helps to society.

[Ravens-Grin]

Hmm, just look at the leading physicist today, he has a dehabilitating disease that had rendered him immobile. His muscles no longer work, without medicine he would most likely be dead today. Go medicine!

[Slizor]

Actually Medicine may preserve a good human genetic code. We will no doubt discover how to manipulate (remove/add/change) genes.

[TheShrike]

At 8/16/04 08:14 AM, isthatlegal wrote: Yes, i do realise that this may seem a little extremist

I'm right there with you, I only condone medical treatment for physical injury. I've always believed we were digging ourselves into a hole by allowing commercial medicine to become what it is. We're a society of pill-poppers, it's all about the quick fix.

So you don't sound very much like an extremist to me.

[Proteas]

*Dag Light: On*

So in the event that the fittest person in the gene pool should become ill with an incurable disease (AIDS for example), should we allow that person to go ahead and have kids?

[fli]

At 8/16/04 08:27 AM, little_bald_kid wrote: I bet your opinion on that will soon change when you contract any given disease.

Yes, it seems people whom make these type of philosophies are never the ones to volunteer first.

Ever seen a sick and poor Social Darwinist? Do you think the ravaged in Sudan are saying, "Hey-- if we're too weak survive, then lets die."

But if isthatlegal truly believes that philosophy, like someone else here on NG whom I'm always head-butting, he or she should be perfectly accepting to the idea of being subjected to his or her own philosophy when comes the time when he or she is sick and needs medicine. After all, it's a dog eat dog world...

[The-Enforcer]

At 8/16/04 02:41 PM, spanishfli wrote: like someone else here on NG whom I'm always head-butting

Are you talking about me?

[witeshark]

There are way too many pills and meds with weird side affects and some that just plain back fire (anti depressants)

[TheWakingDeath]

Meds are fun....
Happiness is measured in miligrams...
I'm quite looking forward to the destruction of the human species. But from taking medicine? How dissapointing. I think I'll go hang myself, that's just too depressing

[mrpopenfresh]

Medecine is futile. Spending so much time and effort on sometimes lost causes.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

This is already happening!

But instead of ’survival of the fittest’ it’s ‘survival of the richest’.

[Neverness]

Some medicines are evolution at work. Bacteria and fungi are, and for millions of years have been at war with each other over food. The fungi create penicillin to kill the bacteria, while the bacteria evolves to avoid the effects--the cycle continues. Medicine is just another way that humans are using their gifts to survive and reproduce, it is survival of the fittest. The fungus doesn't think that because it is weaker than its neighbor "oh, I should die now to protect the species". Neither do humans.

[mrpopenfresh]

At 8/16/04 09:15 PM, grand_retard wrote: This is already happening!

But instead of ’survival of the fittest’ it’s ‘survival of the richest’.

But usually the richest are the elite, and therefore the epitomy of the human being.

[TheWakingDeath]

Wow, that's a sad commentary. You know, Ron Jeremy is probably pretty rich.

[Phineus]

Are you retarded? Now lets see... why have humans become so diiferent from the rest of the animal kingdom? Why have our brains evolved to a point that we can derive organized rules to explain the workings of the universe (science and math)? What is something that truely difines what it is to be "human". Hhmm...lets see here... could it be...our tools?

YES!

Part of our humanity is that we have the ability to manipulate our surroundings to better suit us. Tools that accomplish this better, replace the ones curently in use for that task. In other words...

OUR TOOLS EVOLVE FOR US!

We fundamentaly control our own evolution. When we can't do something, we create something that alows us to do it. This applys to everything from a hammer, to houses, to...yes... even medicines.

The only way we will ever PHYSICALY evolve is when we create a tool for a task, that we can't use. Now THAT, is a conundrum I haven't the mental power to solve. If anyone wishes to rectify my stupidity, I would welcome it.

[bumcheekcity]

Yeah, but if the situation does become extreme, only the really strong will survive, so it'll be ok.

[StatiK]

Medicine is just one of the thousands of ways that humans have alienated themselves from other animals and the rest of nature. We've decided that we don't want to live the same way animals do, so we disregard all the rules of nature, and so the rules of nature (i.e. evolution, survival of the fittest) really don't apply to us any more. We alienated ourselves from nature and decided we were more important than any other species, or anything else on Earth. This gives us the uninformed idea that we can do whatever we want with the planet, including wipe out any other species we choose and rape the environment. If we keep going like this, we're going to die out soon, and take the rest of the world with us.

So yes. In the broad scheme of things, medicine is bad, because it takes the human race out of nature. However, we're not going to make any progress towards fixing the problem by elimminating medicine. Progress will be made by changing people's way of thinking.

[mrpopenfresh]

At 8/16/04 10:03 PM, Izuamoto wrote: Wow, that's a sad commentary. You know, Ron Jeremy is probably pretty rich.

Point being? Ron Jeremy is a great person. He used to be quite handsome, has a gian penis (I don't think we should hold it against him) and above all, has a nice, attractive personnality. He's also a licensed teacher. Damm, I've been watching too much of the surreal life.

[Phineus]

At 8/17/04 03:07 PM, The_Crimson_Chin wrote: stuff

I get the feeling this is rebutal to my posting. I can see why it would sound like an endorsement of the "we're better than everything cause we're smart" point of view. I had no intention of that, i meant that our "human" way of thinking makes us different the same way an ardvark is different from an antelope. We are no less and no more important than other living things. And i agree wholeheartedly with you that the "raping" of nature is a veritable crime. The things we use inorder to adapt ought to work in conjunction with nature, instead of modifying it.

[sinfultictac]

Hello We won't need these Fucking pill if people wopuld just eat right and exersize and fight the disease on ythier own but sometime that dosen't work but your souper exterm to me

[Montgomery-Scott]

its an idiotic idea, because otherwise defective people who would die in the wilderness are extremely smart. like stephen hawkings is the smartest man in the world, and he is paralyzed from the torso down.

[Phineus]

At 8/17/04 05:20 PM, sinfultictac wrote: Hello We won't need these Fucking pill if people wopuld just eat right and exersize and fight the disease on ythier own but sometime that dosen't work but your souper exterm to me

Try fighting cancer, idiot

[FUNKbrs]

All of this sudden this comes down to what the definition of the word "Fittest" is. Is fittest richest? Only the rich can afford medication to survive and breed in today's society. Is fittest "healthiest"? If so, society should be regeared to benefit the strong, and persecute the weak.

Until we all agree, we're going to stay in this same spiral of genetic degredation we're in now.

[XcakerX]

Believing that Darwin's theory is correct does not mean we as humans have to degrade our own condition.

The first mistake people make is that Darwin preached "Survival of the Strongest". Close, but inncorrect, Darwin preached "Survival of the FITTEST", which means the most fit to survive do. Naturual selection is fancy speak for shit happens. If the Human race is smart enought to cure what kills us with medicine, that is naturual selection. Selecting individuals thought to be the strongest and ensuring the survival of their genes over others is ARTIFICIAL SELECTION.

In short: do your homework kid. This stuff is taught in 8th grade in public schools.

[Lord-Humungus]

At 8/16/04 08:14 AM, isthatlegal wrote:

Yes, i do realise that this may seem a little extremist, but we shud at-least stop certain people from "breeding". for the future on mankind!

what if everyone else decided you were one of these "certain people"?

Rather than developing natural imunitys to disease humans developed an intellect to create cures...which has allowed our species to conquer new diseases in a matter of years rather than GENERATIONS...