British politics- does labour suck?

[SeedyKay]

Th nation's stuck, let's face it. After the last great right winger, Maggie Thatchlord we've been left with a major political disability. We're stuck with a government that took the worst of the right and worst of the left. and the only other options are the conservatives who everyones now scared of, and the communist Lib Dems.

What's your view on all the topics in British politics today?

[Lord-Humungus]

I don't know much about Brittish politics..(we in the USA don't know much about other countrys... most of us don't know how our own political system)
But what I wanted to say is when I've seen telecast sessions of Brittish parliment on c-span,I LOVE the way the other parties "boo" when a member from a rival party is introduced!
I wish we'd do that in the USA instead of our people using all that false respect while stabbing each other in the back!

[SeedyKay]

Yep, even better is when they get heckled during speeches. Dunno if you saw it, but someone threw a condom filled with purple flour at the Prime Minister. Politics sure is wierd these days...

[bumcheekcity]

At 8/14/04 08:57 AM, Lord_Humungus wrote: But what I wanted to say is when I've seen telecast sessions of Brittish parliment on c-span,I LOVE the way the other parties "boo" when a member from a rival party is introduced!

Nah, it's only during Prime Ministers Questions, when Blair and Howard shout at each other for 30 muniotes, does that happen, the rest of Parliement consists of conversations like this:

"There's a little old lady in my constituancy who lives in a road and she's had her cat scared by a mean young boy. What are the government goig to do about this?"
- 60-Year-Old Hard-of-Hearing Female Tory MP
Half-Hearted grunts of 'Hear Hear' from the Tories.
Over-Zealous Labour MP Leaps to his Feet.
"The Government will FIGHT for Old Ladies Rights, and Rights for cats everywhere."
- Over-Zealous Young Labour MP.
Half-Hearted grunts of 'Hear Hear' from Labout.
60-Year-Old Hard-of-Hearing Female Tory MP slowly gets to her feet.

Nobody cares...

[Lord-Humungus]

Do you still have those"rotten burroughs" that were part of the reason we gave for rebeling against you?
Some member of parliment representing no one,or 2 old ladys and their 26 cats?

[Lord-Humungus]

sorry to double post,but did Bruce Dickenson(of Iron Maiden) ever succeed in his bid for a place in parliment?

[SeedyKay]

not that i know of, last time i heard of rotten borough was when Blackadder used one to get into parliament. Ah Baldrick, the world is not the same without you on telly... sniff

[bombkangaroo]

At 8/14/04 09:15 AM, Lord_Humungus wrote: sorry to double post,but did Bruce Dickenson(of Iron Maiden) ever succeed in his bid for a place in parliment?

i'm pretty sure he didn't.
but in an interview recently he revealed that he flies planes for a commercial airline.
seriously, if i was on his plane i don't think i'd be able to resist breaking out into song, aces high would be suitable for that situation. i might even get one of those pocket keyboards on the flight so i could do the music for it. of course i'd have to learn it first, damn my lack of musical talent.

bumcheek got it about right, PMQ time reminds me of two school boys having at each other. they just seem to be lekking and butting horns rather than trying to get anywhere.

although the conservative party are re-evaluating their policies to try and bring themselves more into line with the desires if the public, nothing wrong with a little popularism.

[little-bald-kid]

The 3 major parties in England are, in my opinion, all shit... Hence the British voters slowly but surely pushing away from the usual parties onto the less popluar ones.

...But for the foreseeable future, it appears that the country is democratically fucked, since there is nobody actually worth voting for.

[ShadowsFall]

Yes your right- politics right now in Britain are at a dead loss. The 3 major parties have lost the plot.

Labours makings some pretty stupid dicsions- and ploughing money into things that dont matter and in my eyes the country seems to be going backwards.

The conservitives seem to have lost what they stand for. They have no clear cut idea's and often seem to contradict themselves. I also think Howard like IDS is a boring uncharasmatic leader.

The Liberal Democrats- what can I say, crap as usual. Need I say more....

I agree with you, I think people are starting to look away from the big 3. There wanting a party with clear cut ideas.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 8/14/04 08:52 AM, SeedyKay wrote: Th nation's stuck, let's face it. After the last great right winger, Maggie Thatchlord we've been left with a major political disability. We're stuck with a government that took the worst of the right and worst of the left. and the only other options are the conservatives who everyones now scared of, and the communist Lib Dems.

What's your view on all the topics in British politics today?

Communist Lib Dems?

I remember (I am only 18) when labour were the left wingers. And some Americans still think they are fucking socialists acording to several conversations i've had!

Go back to Old Labour if you ask me, New Labour is just the Tories with a different logo.

At 8/14/04 09:13 AM, Lord_Humungus wrote: Do you still have those"rotten burroughs" that were part of the reason we gave for rebeling against you?
Some member of parliment representing no one,or 2 old ladys and their 26 cats?

Hehe, no they went out about the same time as secret ballots came in. in the ‘good ol’ days’ people would cast their vote in public, and anyone who disagreed with them would throw rotten fruit at them.

Also, a funny story about a Rotten Borough - I don’t remember it’s name, but I think it was in Devon (South England) that a entire town fell into the sea, and still sent an MP to Parliament for 50 years.

And yes, British Politics is crap. Scottish Politics is much better! :-p

More democratic (thanks to PR!) because of the greater number of choices. Labour, SNP (yay!!!), Liberals, Tories, SSP, Green… all with significant numbers.

[ShadowsFall]

At 8/15/04 07:59 PM, grand_retard wrote: More democratic (thanks to PR!) because of the greater number of choices. Labour, SNP (yay!!!), Liberals, Tories, SSP, Green… all with significant numbers.

Im Scottish but i tend not to follow Scottish politics. The Scottish parliment a waste of time and money- and the majority of Scots would agree with me here. I figure it was only built to appease the SNP and since then lets face it the SNP are doing worse than ever- there losing voters in droves. The Scottish parliments toy politics to appease politicians with childish ideas. One of Scotlands biggest regrets.

Like the millenium dome or something lol!

[N0mbre]

British politics are funny. In Hartlepool they elected the monkey mascot of the football team as ther mayor. He campaigned in his monkey suit.....

[bombkangaroo]

At 8/15/04 08:19 PM, MrBunchie wrote: British politics are funny. In Hartlepool they elected the monkey mascot of the football team as ther mayor. He campaigned in his monkey suit.....

one of his election promises was to give every schoolchild a banana or something wasn't it?

[theburningliberal]

I think every country should change their symbol to this:

[SeedyKay]

At 8/15/04 07:34 PM, ShadowsFall wrote: Yes your right- politics right now in Britain are at a dead loss. The 3 major parties have lost the plot.

Labours makings some pretty stupid dicsions- and ploughing money into things that dont matter and in my eyes the country seems to be going backwards.

The conservitives seem to have lost what they stand for. They have no clear cut idea's and often seem to contradict themselves. I also think Howard like IDS is a boring uncharasmatic leader.

The Liberal Democrats- what can I say, crap as usual. Need I say more....

Good points. I put the decline of the Conservatives down to the media. A lot of it isnt sure if it can support torys after how they joined in the maggie bashing in the thatcher years. You only need to watch the bbc and pretend its in arabic, hell you've got state controlled, anti-west TV! and its forced on you by a brutal regime (licence fee). Anyway, Tory needs to get its act together to win the next election. Mark my words, if labour wins another election, Blair will think he's invincible, and just start making shitty legislation left right and center. "Hello Euro, Goodbye Britain." Bastard.

[Spookshow]

They actually "boo" each other... wow... If Mr. Mchamon ever got ahold of these people...

I'd personally like to hear from someone other than America, Canada, Sweden and the UK as to EVERYONEs politics...

[MargaretThatcher]

I'm looking for people to design me small games based on the British P.M Margaret Thatcher. For example, shooting her.
Anything greatly recieved. it's for the website
www.maggiethatcher.com

No money to pay for it yet, but when the site starts to make money, this would be passed on.
email: [e-mail]

[Spookshow]

Isn't this in the wrong area?

[ShadowsFall]

At 8/16/04 03:31 AM, SeedyKay wrote: You only need to watch the bbc and pretend its in arabic, hell you've got state controlled, anti-west TV! and its forced on you by a brutal regime (licence fee). Bastard.

Your right- it shouldnt be the British Broadcasting Channel anymore, they should call it the Biased Broadcasting Channel. Its sicking how anti British our national channel has become- almost everytime I watch the BBC news I sit and cringe at how biased against Britain it is. The factual programs are no better too. The sad thing is that some TV addicts will be brained washed by that crap.

[SeedyKay]

Yep, i agree totally, anyone who listens to columnist Richard Littlejohn will know his questions about the state of the beeb. His main points on its bias were:

1. Why are Insurgents in Iraq reffered to as 'Militarists' A name usually used for rail strikers.

2. Why then, are our soldiers refered to as 'Coaltion Gunmen'???

I wouldn't mind if it wasn't so blatant. Still, it's not a patch on the shitting Daily Mirror...

[little-bald-kid]

Oh god... don't get me started on the Daily Mirror.

The words "Piss off, n*gger" would be carved into the cliffs of dover if they had their way.

The BBC does it's best to blam anything non-european, and generally tries to brainwash the entire UK into accepting the EU and sucking Blair's cock. (Regardless of how many green grocers are jailed for selling in imperial rather than metric).

My dislike for European laws that have been imposed upon us in the last 5 years is nothing short of huge. The next time I see some fat old man from Brussels waving his worthless EU constitution and his silly Euro notes, I will vomit on the spot.

The media does it's best to demonise America, although despite it's idiotic excuse of a president, seems far less fucked over than the pro-euro Germans and Belgians.

I think we should dig up our entire country and dump it in lake michigan.

[bombkangaroo]

there's a good story in 2000AD right now with margeret thatcher.
the strip is one that few people like because it's a little off the wall and goofy, but it has margeret thatcher trying to privatise hell.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 8/15/04 08:12 PM, ShadowsFall wrote:

At 8/15/04 07:59 PM, grand_retard wrote: More democratic (thanks to PR!) because of the greater number of choices. Labour, SNP (yay!!!), Liberals, Tories, SSP, Green… all with significant numbers.

Im Scottish but i tend not to follow Scottish politics. The Scottish parliment a waste of time and money- and the majority of Scots would agree with me here. I figure it was only built to appease the SNP and since then lets face it the SNP are doing worse than ever- there losing voters in droves. The Scottish parliments toy politics to appease politicians with childish ideas. One of Scotlands biggest regrets.

Like the millenium dome or something lol!

It’s sad you feel that way.

The Parliament Building is a shambles agreed, but the Parliament itself plays an important part in our lives. Off the top of my head I can think of the facts that one, we have no tuition fees in Scotland (thanks to the parliament!) and a greater amount of care for the elderly than anywhere else in the UK (thanks to the parliament!). If the majority of Scots agreed with you don’t you think it would shut down, don’t you think that no one would actually vote, but they do. The Parliament was created to appease the Scottish people, we’re the ones who voted Yes, Yes. Not the SNP, who at the time were a third rate party.

The SNP may be loosing votes, which is a shame, but these votes are not going to Labour, The Tories or the Libs, they’re going to the Greens and the SSP (which is a good thing in itself in my opinion). Both of whom support Independence, so I’m not too worried about the diminishing SNP support. Remember, the SNP are still the second strongest party in Scotland.

The parliament is, compared to Westminster relatively powerless however.

But in the long run, it’ll be looked upon as a very important step in the road to Scottish independence.

[jonthomson]

At 8/14/04 08:52 AM, SeedyKay wrote:

What's your view on all the topics in British politics today?

None of the three main parties are electable, and I'll likely not vote at the next general unless there's a UKIP candidate in my constituency.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 8/16/04 06:39 PM, jonthomson wrote:

:: None of the three main parties are electable, and I'll likely not vote at the next general unless there's a UKIP candidate in my constituency.

Don’t you mean the ‘Kill All the Arabs’ party?

[ShadowsFall]

At 8/16/04 05:59 PM, grand_retard wrote: But in the long run, it’ll be looked upon as a very important step in the road to Scottish independence.

What about all the people that dont want independence. Im British before im Scottish. Anyway what kind of nationist party are the SNP since they dont have the Scottish people in mind anymore- but they never really did there just stuck in a fantastical Scotland from the past that no longer exists.

Some of its members now say theyre wanting to bring more asylum seekers into Scotland to fill gaps in jobs? Now that definately aint going to preserve Scotland and its culture. I thought that was one of the things they stood for?

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 8/16/04 07:14 PM, ShadowsFall wrote:

:: What about all the people that dont want independence. Im British before im Scottish. Anyway what kind of nationist party are the SNP since they dont have the Scottish people in mind anymore- but they never really did there just stuck in a fantastical Scotland from the past that no longer exists.

If you’re British before you’re Scottish then why couldn’t you move to somewhere else in the UK?

Nah, only joking. Scotland will always be part of the British Isles, we will always have a close connection with Britain. Scotland is culturally, legally and nationally different enough from the UK to warrant independence. Maybe you consider yourself British over Scottish but I can assure you that the vast majority of our fellow Scots do not. SNP are not interested in a fantastical Scotland from the past as you say, they are interested in the Scotland of the future (shit, I sound like a MSP!). They feel that independence is the best for the people of Scotland. Go to their website and look at their manifesto. There’s no crazy stuff there, it all makes sense from the abolishment of Nuclear weapons being kept in Scotland to their ‘3 values’ as they call them;

1. No one country and no one human being is worth more or less than any other.
2. Empowering the people of Scotland – so that the people can take control over their lives and communities.
3. The sustainable creation and sharing of wealth in order to give every individual the opportunity to release their full potential.

Some of its members now say theyre wanting to bring more asylum seekers into Scotland to fill gaps in jobs? Now that definately aint going to preserve Scotland and its culture. I thought that was one of the things they stood for?

If asylum seekers are willing to do the jobs that everyone else sticks their noses up to then fine. They may not be ‘Scottish’ but their children will be. Their different way of life will add to Scotland’s ‘culture’. Being Scottish isn’t all about eating haggis sand wearing kilts. Blacks, Asians, Arabs, they can all be Scottish and proud of it.

[ShadowsFall]

At 8/16/04 08:20 PM, grand_retard wrote: Being Scottish isn’t all about eating haggis sand wearing kilts. Blacks, Asians, Arabs, they can all be Scottish and proud of it.

lol thats funny because I speak to alot of people living in city's like London or have moved up from the South of england to Scotland and they kind of contradict what you say. And heres what most seem to be saying, the majority of Blacks, Asians and Arabs aint integrating into england. They choose to be removed from other groups and races around them, often even critising Britian- that doesnt seem like someone that is proud of the country they live in? But dont worry that will all happen in Scotland soon too. Where will our thousands of years of culture be then? Probably lost like the rest of our British identy.

Also what you said about nuclear weapons being band- that would be a big mistake. Notice the words "Nuclear diterrent"- meaning the reason we have nuclear weapons is to stop major wars occuring in our country, since most nations would be too afriad to light the fuse that start world wide armageddon. Anyway if we didnt have any nukes and someone droped a nuclear bomb on one of our major cities how would we get revenge?

[N0mbre]

Did anyone see that documentary that infiltrated the BNP. Worrying stuff.... Although the BNP has now been widely discredited (again) which is definatly a good thing.