the envirnoment

[cam-kitsune]

admitedly, im probobly pretty extreme when it comes to environmentalism; im agaisnt any form of killing UNLESS IT IS VITAL FOR THE SURVIVAL OF THE KILLER. when i say this, i mean when an ant-eater eats abts to survive, because that's simply how nature works. destroying entire forests for paper and greating cards, however, juist doesent fit the bill.
what are your opinions on the environment

[theburningliberal]

I'm not quite so extreme, but I do feel that environmental security is vital to the long-term success of the world-wide economy.

Sure, if we encourage economic sustainability, the economy will progress into the future. Yet, if we don't foster environmental health now, what good will it do us? In a unsustainable environment, that is, one in which health won't be protected in the long-term, economic growth may keep going, just without the Human Race. If you truly want to encourage long-term economic sustainability that the Human Race will be able to use to advantage, it is clear that the Environment must be protected. If you want to foster economic health, you must protect the environment because without a healthy environment in which to foster economic development, economic development is inherently dangerous to economic sustainability.

[RedSkunk]

*steals a cue from Dredd*

We need to change over to a hemp based economy. This would be the best long-term solution to many of our environmental concerns.

[Wraith]

The problem with an industrialized society such as ours is that industry relies on cheap, almost infinite natural resources. That is something we don't have. But, due to the money-making such things as oil brings us, we are slow to convert to any other means of fuel, simply because a few old men would have their checkbooks drastically reduced. Our oil companies and many others are only thinking in short-term, and by the time we realize that our resources have dwindled, it will cost many lives and force us to re-think our methods. Of course, the higher-ups don't care, since they know they'll be dead by then. It'll be a problem our children will have to solve.

[fli]

At 8/14/04 12:07 AM, Skvnk wrote: *steals a cue from Dredd*

We need to change over to a hemp based economy. This would be the best long-term solution to many of our environmental concerns.

Yeah, I'm with hemp based products too. I have a wallet made from hemp-- I swear to god, it's the best wallet I've ever had...

As for the environment-- I want it to be protected. I enjoy how Bush gets upset when there are trees that can't be cut, or places that can't be touch. But at the same time, I understand that it wood is a vital source. What I would like to see is more trees planted. I mean, if you take one tree, you give another one back. That's how things should be done.

[bumcheekcity]

At 8/14/04 06:02 AM, spanishfli wrote: As for the environment-- I want it to be protected. I enjoy how Bush gets upset when there are trees that can't be cut, or places that can't be touch. But at the same time, I understand that it wood is a vital source. What I would like to see is more trees planted. I mean, if you take one tree, you give another one back. That's how things should be done.

Got to agree. Sustainable forests are the way forward, not cutting down large sections of rainforest...

Also, I dont think we should be using Oil, Gas and Coal at all. Although I regocnise the fact that we can't just stop using them all tomorrow, I think we should faze the useage of the out. Especially coal. Probably not so much Gas, because that isn't QUITE as pollutant.

I am very much in favour of Revewable Energy Sources. Wind, Solar, Wave etc. You need to find the right place to set them up, but when you do, they're great. I also support Nuclear Fission Tecvhnology, as it creates very little Radioactive waste, and would like to see more time and money go into its research.

[Redwrath]

The entire problem of protecting the evironment come from several areas. With a global economy, companies push to meet supply and demand, and in doing so they ignore everything else. Just the fact that we have recycling centers means we are using too many resources. It is the mindset of the people that has to change, prioritizing the earth over personal comfort. Governments can push people only so far. Look at China, trying to control population growth caused great frustration. How do you think everyone who react if we said "We can live like kings, but 95% of you cant have children and have to die."

[cam-kitsune]

several things i'd like to cover here
first, hemp COULD replace trees as a sourse for paper, which is what many trees are cut down for.
second, one of the important things we need to realise is that its NOT just some rich old men in suits behind the continuing use of oil (although they are a good part of it); the fact is taht oil companies imploy millions of people who would lose thier jobs if we stopped using oil. still, i do have to gagree with you on everything except the nuclear fission, which i don't know enough about to have an opinion.

[Spookshow]

Tree farms are a decent solution but when humanity expands far outweighing any location they are put in kind of outweighs things. When you put up a Wal-Mart where 1,000 acres of trees used to be and don't replant them is bad business.

[System-1]

At 8/15/04 03:24 AM, Spookshow wrote: Tree farms are a decent solution but when humanity expands far outweighing any location they are put in kind of outweighs things. When you put up a Wal-Mart where 1,000 acres of trees used to be and don't replant them is bad business.

that is probably why instead of spreading cities out, we should start building them up. theres a tower being built somewhere in asia which will house hundreds of thousands of people and be hundreds of stories high. cant remember where though... civilisation should either start getting higher, or say goodbye to hundreds of miles of natural environment.

plus hemp is an awsome very renewable source of material... the governement should recognise that.

[bbbomber]

Well, I think this is the will of the humans, if we kill the environment, we kill ourselves. We cannot live without nature, and to say, nature cannot live without us (ignorant as it may sound), I say that because we are here to industrialize and expand, we need to protect nature from ourselves, but while expanding. That is why we need to help the environment grow and heal, just as we are doing

[Spookshow]

Lots of things are starting to disapeer. California used to be known for it's awesome off-roading yet now laws have crippled and banned alot of areas. They (Corporations) call them protected the build skyscrapers on them. We had a wonderful natural marsh/forest area here that is being turned into something like 75,000 homes.

[bbbomber]

At 8/15/04 06:45 AM, Spookshow wrote: Lots of things are starting to disapeer. California used to be known for it's awesome off-roading yet now laws have crippled and banned alot of areas. They (Corporations) call them protected the build skyscrapers on them. We had a wonderful natural marsh/forest area here that is being turned into something like 75,000 homes.

Yeah, but some of that has to do with imigration and the inflation thing that is going in California, But there are alot forests in Northern California that are reserved, the government buys them off and starts whacking away, that is whats wrong

[System-1]

At 8/15/04 06:45 AM, Spookshow wrote: Lots of things are starting to disapeer. California used to be known for it's awesome off-roading yet now laws have crippled and banned alot of areas. They (Corporations) call them protected the build skyscrapers on them. We had a wonderful natural marsh/forest area here that is being turned into something like 75,000 homes.

solution = a building that takes up 1/60th of that space, a couple of hundred stories high. suddenly we aren't taking up as much space as before.

[bbbomber]

At 8/15/04 07:03 AM, WhoopingTerrier wrote: solution = a building that takes up 1/60th of that space, a couple of hundred stories high. suddenly we aren't taking up as much space as before.

lol, I guess that would be a good solution, a couple of crazy ass sky scrapers so big that you have to get into a space suit on top of the building

[System-1]

At 8/15/04 07:06 AM, bbbomber wrote:

At 8/15/04 07:03 AM, WhoopingTerrier wrote: solution = a building that takes up 1/60th of that space, a couple of hundred stories high. suddenly we aren't taking up as much space as before.

lol, I guess that would be a good solution, a couple of crazy ass sky scrapers so big that you have to get into a space suit on top of the building

yea, i saw on the discovery channel (when your girlfriend breaks up with you, you do weird things...) that a gigantic city on a boat is being, or about to be built. its going to literally be a city, on a boat. its going to be massive.

[bbbomber]

At 8/15/04 07:18 AM, WhoopingTerrier wrote: yea, i saw on the discovery channel (when your girlfriend breaks up with you, you do weird things...) that a gigantic city on a boat is being, or about to be built. its going to literally be a city, on a boat. its going to be massive.

Crap, that could be an answer!, building cities on water!, I mean, alot of it isnt even used!, then we can call the first city Atlantis, man, insane!, that is a good idea, leave it to.............discovery channel, erm well, good look with your girl problems too

[Spookshow]

Where do you think all of those materials are going to come from?

[little-bald-kid]

Floating city? That's gonna make great TV if it sinks.

[Redwrath]

We just end up back where we came, which is that humans need resources. There are only so many resources that can be renewed only so fast. We are using up land faster that nature can regrow it. Nature has even make a virus that kills those who have lots of sex with many partners, HIV.

We have to solve the problem. OUR problem.

[System-1]

At 8/15/04 10:25 PM, Redwrath wrote: We are using up land faster that nature can regrow it. Nature has even make a virus that kills those who have lots of sex with many partners, HIV.

well nature is definitly trying to strike back for all the crap it has taken...

[System-1]

At 8/15/04 09:15 AM, Spookshow wrote: Where do you think all of those materials are going to come from?

the same place that those mega cities like new york and tokyo get them.

[witeshark]

We treat the environment right or we lose it, simple as that

[cam-kitsune]

The answer to the questions of area and resourses is obvious: SPACE (the final frontier). obviously, since planets like mars have no life and a plants worth of natural resourses, it seems better if we went to live in space. the human population or at least most of it) could move to the moon, then to other planets.

also, maby building cities UNDER water as opposed to on water would be a safer solution (at least in the shallower parts)

[bbbomber]

At 8/16/04 12:12 AM, cam_kitsune wrote: The answer to the questions of area and resourses is obvious: SPACE (the final frontier). obviously, since planets like mars have no life and a plants worth of natural resourses, it seems better if we went to live in space. the human population or at least most of it) could move to the moon, then to other planets.

also, maby building cities UNDER water as opposed to on water would be a safer solution (at least in the shallower parts)

lol ,Personally, I would rather be on top of the water rather than under it, I dont want the under water city getting a leak and combusting under the pressure, as for space colonization, I belive that it would take up more resources than contribute. You have engine fuel to get out of the atmosphere, plastic space suits, ALOT of metal and wiring, but hey, maybe we can find a less costly way to colonize deep space in the future

[cam-kitsune]

At 8/16/04 12:25 AM, bbbomber wrote:

At 8/16/04 12:12 AM, cam_kitsune wrote: The answer to the questions of area and resourses is obvious: SPACE (the final frontier). obviously, since planets like mars have no life and a plants worth of natural resourses, it seems better if we went to live in space. the human population or at least most of it) could move to the moon, then to other planets.

also, maby building cities UNDER water as opposed to on water would be a safer solution (at least in the shallower parts)

lol ,Personally, I would rather be on top of the water rather than under it, I dont want the under water city getting a leak and combusting under the pressure, as for space colonization, I belive that it would take up more resources than contribute. You have engine fuel to get out of the atmosphere, plastic space suits, ALOT of metal and wiring, but hey, maybe we can find a less costly way to colonize deep space in the future

well, it would probobly take roughly as much to build the first spaceship as it would the aformentioned floating city (sounds kinda like okinawa from front mission 3). this would go to another planet,rich inresourses, and would promtly start shipping them back to earth so that MORE such ships could be built, and so on. as for fuel, obviously they could be solarpowered or have large sails that would ride the solar winds (i THINK that could work)