Ralph Nader

[trigo]

Why must someone who doesn't like Kerry vote for him? Get over the TWO system party, there are many different parties with candidates. I would never vote for someone I didn't like. Here's the tricky part for some, "A vote For Nader is a vote for Bush" when in fact "A vote for Nader is a vote for Nader".

Neither Kerry nor Bush will remove troops from Iraq. Neither will allow gay marriage. Bush's reason he a traditionalist christian, Kerry's reason he is too stubborn.

vote Nader/Comejo '04

[The-Last-Cynic]

Maybe because there is no chance in hell he'll be elected, and Kerry does, so if you vote for Nadar there's a better chance Bush will be re-elected, and that's why the republican party contributed money to Nadar's campaign

[BAWLS]

The reason people don't want to vote for Nader isn't because they are obsessed with the two party system, but because they don't think completly withdrawing all forces from a country we fucked up in the first place is such a good idea.

[trigo]

that's exactly my point, you people believe in a lesser evil, but the thing is, saddly enough that people can't stop voting democrat or republican, there are many other parties. Anyways Kerry is the next president like it or not.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 8/11/04 08:36 PM, KirbyMan wrote: Maybe because there is no chance in hell he'll be elected,

You're right. If Kerry wasn't such an egomaniac, and dropped out of the election, Nader would get more votes, possibly enough to help him beat Bush.

[BAWLS]

At 8/11/04 08:39 PM, implodable wrote: that's exactly my point, you people believe in a lesser evil, but the thing is, saddly enough that people can't stop voting democrat or republican, there are many other parties.

We know there are other parties. The reason people have normally chosen between those two parties is because their ideologies are most commenly shared in this country. And when Nader says we shouldn't choose between the lesser of two evils, wouldn't we be choosing him just for the sake of not liking the other two? The lesser of three evils is no better.

[trigo]

At 8/11/04 08:44 PM, NotYouZ wrote: We know there are other parties. The reason people have normally chosen between those two parties is because their ideologies are most commenly shared in this country. And when Nader says we shouldn't choose between the lesser of two evils, wouldn't we be choosing him just for the sake of not liking the other two? The lesser of three evils is no better.

No the reason people choose the two parties is because they're told to. If people looked at the other parties, there is no way they would have that turn-out. And the lesser of three evils IS better but irrelevent.

[witeshark]

The chances in a third party candidate getting elected are remote in the extreme

[RedSkunk]

At 8/11/04 08:44 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: You're right. If Kerry wasn't such an egomaniac, and dropped out of the election, Nader would get more votes, possibly enough to help him beat Bush.

Thanks for saying it.

[StatiK]

If more people would just stop thinking to themselves "well I shouldn't vote for the third party man because he doesn't have a chance", the third party man would have a chance.

[Gunter45]

Nobody has ever been elected president on a third party ticket. George Washington is close, but technically, there were no parties. From Adams to W, not one of them has ever been a third party candidate. After being a successful president, not even Teddy Roosevelt could get elected again on a third party ticket, the Bullmoose Party, and the man was shot during his presidency, for crying out loud. Your boy Nader has about a snowball's chance in hell.

[RedSkunk]

The entire system needs serious reforms. We have to champion reform right now, while still supporting third parties to show that there is a need.

[RyanAn]

If I had my choice, which I do, I would vote for Nader. He is my personal favorite candidate. It is a sad state where only two people have a possible chance at winning. I will vote for Kerry for similiar reasons that I would have for Nader... It is a numbers game, the lesser of two evils.

Ryan

[pielover87]

nader is a solcialist and socialism is damn close to communism now im not saying go conservative cuz bush is a fag but nader isnt that good of a candidate so that leaves kerry who is also pretty socialist so i guess the country is fucked up the ass

[koolkid64us]

At 8/11/04 11:28 PM, witeshark wrote: The chances in a third party candidate getting elected are remote in the extreme

I completely agree with you on that one there witeshark. Nader won't get in unless he can be the leader of the republican or democratic party. Kerry isn't the worst democratic leader we had. Michael Dukakis (I think he was democrat) would have been worse. He's the only guy that would run against Bush that I wouldn't vote for.

[mrpopenfresh]

At 8/12/04 12:56 AM, pielover87 wrote: so that leaves kerry who is also pretty socialist so i guess the country is fucked up the ass

Heh, the idiocy put a smile on my face.

[bumcheekcity]

A vote for Nader probably IS a vote for Bush, in the same way that staying in is a voe for Bush. But who cares? Bush = Kerry. They're virtually the same, just one has Botox and one doesn't.

[GooieGreen]

At 8/11/04 11:35 PM, Skvnk wrote:

At 8/11/04 08:44 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: You're right. If Kerry wasn't such an egomaniac, and dropped out of the election, Nader would get more votes, possibly enough to help him beat Bush.

While we are speculating about shit that is never going to happen, I want a girlfriend that won't end up being a total emo fuck, I want someone to fill my socks with the bucket of change that's in my room, someone to tune my bass (electric and string), I want Osama caught, oh, and I want 'Benifer' back together.

I spoke to Ralph in 2000 and I remember him being kinda, I dunno, slimy. I'm all for more people running, however, a) nader is douche b) we cannot risk another 4 more years with the flip-flopper himself, Bush and c) my tummy hurts, and it isn't gas.

Thanks for saying it.

This is why they keep you in the middle of nowhere upstate.

[RedSkunk]

I remembering listening to Nader speak four years ago.

He was the only candidate to campaign anywhere near us. We went, and the other speakers - they were labor organizers. Former teachers and farmers. Instead of career politicans, who majored in law at harvard and yale, there were poli sci students, and just regular people who had gotten fed up and ran for office.

During his speech, he talked about the issues that mattered to me. His stances made sense. And - best of all - it all felt sincere. And his history backed up his words.

I don't support his prez bid this year, because he is running as an independent. But I'm not about to talk ill of the man.

He, and the Green Party, are illustrating an important problem. Which is the inability of the Democratic Party, to make concessions to the left. They expect us to just blindly vote for them, because "they're not as bad as the Republicans!". But that's bullshit. Every year, the Republicans get closer and closer to religious fundamentalists and neo-cons. And what do the Democrats do? Pander to the center even more, and still lose.

If Gore / Kerry can't throw a few bones to potential Nader / Cobb voters, then they don't fucking deserve the votes.

[jmaster306]

At 8/12/04 12:56 AM, pielover87 wrote: nader is a solcialist and socialism is damn close to communism now im not saying go conservative cuz bush is a fag but nader isnt that good of a candidate so that leaves kerry who is also pretty socialist so i guess the country is fucked up the ass

You say socialist like you would terrorist. Do you even know exactly what socialism is? It is an economic system wherein the government has more direct control over the economy, places heavier taxes on the wealthy and gives more support to the poor members of society. It is a pretty good system that several european countries already use.

[RyanAn]

Ben Stein was on Kilborne and said even though he was a Republican he will vote for the Independent Ralph Nader. He agrees with his thoughts, and said that Ralph was personable and actually talked to him. He also said Ralph lives in a one bedroom apartment... not a couple hundred acre mansion in Texas.

Ryan