Bush Bad, Whats Has He Done?

[Celly07]

Mk this is simple. Everyone is bashing him for doing bad things forgiegn, like iraq afghanistan. But personally, what has bush done bad for you? Has he raised your taxes? Took away your guns? I want to know personally what he has done. And dont bitch about gas, the oil reserve in the middle east will be gone in 2090, so even now yes the gas prices will go up. But what has he done personally to you?

[CI-Lain]

At 8/10/04 12:10 PM, Celly07 wrote: Mk this is simple. Everyone is bashing him for doing bad things forgiegn, like iraq afghanistan. But personally, what has bush done bad for you? Has he raised your taxes? Took away your guns? I want to know personally what he has done. And dont bitch about gas, the oil reserve in the middle east will be gone in 2090, so even now yes the gas prices will go up. But what has he done personally to you?

Well i have to go fly shortly but i feel like responding so i appologize if this respone seems shortwinded and like an outline.

1. Budget Deficit.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-27-budget_x.htm this shows his next years propossed budget will make nice large deficits plus last i check his previous years have caused a large couple trillion dollar deficit. Couple this with his odd tax cuts that in no way benefit me, and suddenly money is dissappearign fast. It affects me because in the future if my taxes are higher or the economy is the shits etc.etc. it will be the fault of this deficit. his previous years otal is like 5.4 trillion last i heard...that sucks.

2. marriage ammendment.Im not gay but i have friends who are. ALs it is my adament belief that morals aught to stay out and way the hell away from government. Im not christian and i have very open ideas of morals. So morals interfering with government do affect me. And this ammendment infringes rights of everyone. Everyone augth to have the right to marry the sam sex. I know Kerry is not as adament about this as I am but its better.

3.job loss. Now i know he gotten some jobs back but not enough to compensate for the loss. Im not in the job pool yet so i have to worry about where ill be after college. Hopefully there will still be a need for lawyers.

You only asked for directly affecting me. Those affect me. I dissagree strongly with alot of things that dont directly affect me that he proposses. but im outa here

[Celly07]

Thats what i wanted, and have fun on your trip! Im in the market for a lawyer, and i dont think there will be a shortage of those, so a job loss doesnt effect me. But the jobs are coming back, slowly but surely, the job loss is being reckindled and americans unemployment is down. Teen pregnancy is down for the bush 4 years, AIDS is down. Um the budget loss, yes that is true. It was costly wars. REALLY costly. I dont think it really effects the average american tho.. It could.

[Camarohusky]

He sat back and watched ad my school district went from one of the best funded districts in the nation to being made fun of in the New York Times for how short our school year was due to budget problems. My school district alone lost over $2mill in revenue in just 1 year. Now I don't expect bush to way his magical Texan wand and fix it, but he didn't even adress the problem. He did the no child left behind act in the beginning of his presidency when the schools were somewhat fine, and when they hit the shitter, especially on the west coast, he sat back and went on vacation. All I would have liked to hear is an empty "I will do what I can to help the future of America."

[cheshirepus]

He sat there and watched my state get fucked in the ass by Enron and their pals, and still insists that the Federal Government should stay out of it.
He supports the same sex marriage amendment which would cause the nation to regress into the days of segregation again (in my opinion). And yes, I too am far from being gay, but also know when someone's rights are about to be violated... In short, their still Americans, and deserve the same rights.
He has become known for ignoring Colin Powell's advice, of whom I believe to be one of the most capable men in government that this nation has seen in a long time.
Bush refuses to admit that he may have been too hasty with the war in Iraq, will not admit that there is stronger evidence to suggest there are no NBC (also known as WMD) weapons than there was otherwise, and even to this day suggests that there was a tie between Iraq and Al-Qaeda.
Though, I am a firm believer that our taxes need to be raised to pay for necessary programs that the President refuses to support such as socialized health care and energy. So, I'm a bit biased towards anyone who tells me they're going to make health care affordable and cut my taxes at the same time.
Honestly, I don't like him at all and for the first time in my 25 years of living in the U.S., I honestly feel vulnerable and afraid. I think in the past 4 years, this nation has done everything in its power to compromise the safety of its citzens by throwing its power around with the utmost defiance and complacency.
Though, I have to hand it to Bush... He's really making Canada look like a wonderful place to live at the moment!

[RedSkunk]

Seen the deficit or national debt lately? Who's going to be paying for that shit?

[PretzelLogic88]

At 8/10/04 12:37 PM, CI-Lain wrote:

2. marriage ammendment.Im not gay but i have friends who are. ALs it is my adament belief that morals aught to stay out and way the hell away from government. Im not christian and i have very open ideas of morals. So morals interfering with government do affect me. And this ammendment infringes rights of everyone. Everyone augth to have the right to marry the sam sex. I know Kerry is not as adament about this as I am but its better.

WTF are you talking about? How in the hell can morals ever not be involved in government? What do you think our laws are based on?

3.job loss. Now i know he gotten some jobs back but not enough to compensate for the loss. Im not in the job pool yet so i have to worry about where ill be after college. Hopefully there will still be a need for lawyers.

...... the president doesn't control the economy ...... it's as simple as that ............ if you don't want a capitalist economy that always has natural ups and downs, then you can move to somewhere like China

[PretzelLogic88]

also, with you guys mentioning the deficit ........ bush didnt magically invent it .............. there has been a huge deficit for years ...... hell, correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think that the U.S. budget has been balanced since the early 1800s

[The-Last-Cynic]

At 8/10/04 02:17 PM, PretzelLogic88 wrote:

At 8/10/04 12:37 PM, CI-Lain wrote:

2. marriage ammendment.Im not gay but i have friends who are. ALs it is my adament belief that morals aught to stay out and way the hell away from government. Im not christian and i have very open ideas of morals. So morals interfering with government do affect me. And this ammendment infringes rights of everyone. Everyone augth to have the right to marry the sam sex. I know Kerry is not as adament about this as I am but its better.

WTF are you talking about? How in the hell can morals ever not be involved in government? What do you think our laws are based on?

Laws are made to protect the American people and the liberties granted to them, gay marrige doesn't hurt anyone and doesn't impose on any of your rights. We can't repeat the mistake of prohibition.

[theburningliberal]

1) NCLB, which sets high standards for schools to meet, promises rewards for those that do, and promises extra funding for those that don't. Then he failed to fund its mandates. That bill doesn't affect me, but it affects my nieces, nephews, and my cousins.

2) His tax program forced the federal government to slash funding to the states, forcing states to raise taxes to make up the difference. So now, I, being a poor college student, am forced to pay higher overall taxes now than I did in 2000.

3) Supply shortages that forced my father to move, instead of repairing his old house. My father needed .75inch plywood to repair the floor in his kitchen, or else it would be condemned. He went to all of the supply stores in our area, and no one had what he needed. They said that the (needless) war in Iraq was pulling all the .75inch plywood off commercial shelves and it was being put to military use. So my father had to move out of his condemned house and lived on the streets until he could find an apartment.

4) I have to pay higher tuition for college, because Bush has slashed funding to universities, meaning they had to raise tuition rates to cover the balance. So now, I am paying 20% higher tuition than I would've in 2000.

5) My sister is not allowed to get married because of Bush's opposition to same-sex marriage. She and her girlfriend love each other, as I saw when I was down there in June, and they are just as normal as any other couple I've ever seen. And more normal than some.

And on and on and on and on.

[RedSkunk]

At 8/10/04 02:19 PM, PretzelLogic88 wrote: also, with you guys mentioning the deficit ........ bush didnt magically invent it .............. there has been a huge deficit for years ...... hell, correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think that the U.S. budget has been balanced since the early 1800s

Clinton balanced the budget.

[theburningliberal]

At 8/10/04 02:19 PM, PretzelLogic88 wrote: also, with you guys mentioning the deficit ........ bush didnt magically invent it .............. there has been a huge deficit for years ......

I'm going to try to be nice here, but if I fail, please excuse me.

Please realize that there is a difference between the National Debt and the Federal Deficit. The National Debt is a measure of how much the government owes, whereas the Federal Deficit is a measure of how much money the government has vs how much it wants to spend. We have never been out of national debt as a nation, and more than likely, we never will be.

hell, correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think that the U.S. budget has been balanced since the early 1800s

What about FY99? FY00? FY01? Or are you contending that having a federal surplus doesn't count as having a balanced budget? Either way, the last 3 years of Clinton's presidency in the 1990's, we had a balanced budget and Clinton left office with a federal surplus.

I think we can all agree that spending less money than you take in is a balanced budget, right? So if we have a federal surplus, that means we spent less money then we took in, right? Since that is true, even you can conclude that we had a balanced budget, less than 5 years ago.

[CI-Lain]

At 8/10/04 02:17 PM, PretzelLogic88 wrote:

At 8/10/04 12:37 PM, CI-Lain wrote:

2. marriage ammendment.Im not gay but i have friends who are. ALs it is my adament belief that morals aught to stay out and way the hell away from government. Im not christian and i have very open ideas of morals. So morals interfering with government do affect me. And this ammendment infringes rights of everyone. Everyone augth to have the right to marry the sam sex. I know Kerry is not as adament about this as I am but its better.

WTF are you talking about? How in the hell can morals ever not be involved in government? What do you think our laws are based on?

3.job loss. Now i know he gotten some jobs back but not enough to compensate for the loss. Im not in the job pool yet so i have to worry about where ill be after college. Hopefully there will still be a need for lawyers.

...... the president doesn't control the economy ...... it's as simple as that ............ if you don't want a capitalist economy that always has natural ups and downs, then you can move to somewhere like China

Yeaaaaaa. You have two really big holes in your logic/arguements.

1. There is a difference between a budget deficit and the national debt. Deficit is yearly debt is collectivly. The debt is big and old. CLinton had a balanced budget, (awaits the con response"yea cus he cut military")

2. I dont have to move to china. If i want something in this country I have just as much right as every other citizen to make it happen. Damn nationallism. THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT OWN YOU. We own the government, this nation is ours equally.

now the counter arguement. Yes BUsh does control the economy to some extent. He proposes the budgets, he proposes bills and social reforms that would increase or decrease jobs. He does have control. And he is responsible for his 5 going on 6 trillion dollar deficit.

[CI-Lain]

At 8/10/04 12:10 PM, Celly07 wrote: Mk this is simple. Everyone is bashing him for doing bad things forgiegn, like iraq afghanistan. But personally, what has bush done bad for you? Has he raised your taxes? Took away your guns? I want to know personally what he has done. And dont bitch about gas, the oil reserve in the middle east will be gone in 2090, so even now yes the gas prices will go up. But what has he done personally to you?

There is also something I forgot to mention.

There isnt much that affects the users of newgrounds directly in general. COnsidering the sterotypical straight college student NG user.

We dont make and income.
We generally dont own guns.
The male half has no real concern in abortion unless hes the father.
NO concern in the marriage act since most are unmarried.
Were mostly american so foriegn affairs dont directly affect us.

Lets face it our age group(18-22 or new voters) votes are based on one or two things that may directly affect them. But more commonly we are swayed by our beliefs. Religiosity controls a good chunk(abortion bad, gay marriage bad) while political beliefs control others like myself. For our group opinons or strong beliefs make the decision.

[fli]

At 8/10/04 01:45 PM, cheshirepus wrote: He sat there and watched my state get fucked in the ass by Enron and their pals, and still insists that the Federal Government should stay out of it.

Hell ya! He's fucked California-- and now I'm going to fuck Bush on election day.

[lapslf]

-He was practically making out with our prime minister, it made me nearly ashamed to be Dutch.

-His environment policy causes more pollution, which affects everyone on the planet, including me.

-He bitches so much about fighting terrorism that our government has started copying, so that they waste my tax money on fighting terrorism and use up newspaper space about non-existing terror threats that should go to more interesting stuff.

-He travelled to my house in the middle of the night, drank all my Hertog Jan beer, kicked my cat, screwed my chickens and stole all my NGC-games.

[CrackaPlease]

His environmental policy is actually helping Florida. Don't be telling me something different 'cause that's the state I live in, and all of you non-Florida people are outsiders and don't know s***!

[The-Last-Cynic]

Well, being how it's an easy stab on credability for me to say anything about it, I actually was down in Miami a few weeks to meet a friend, and he said that the air has been increasingly bad since a few years ago, and I'd take his word over that of a crazy racist like yourself.

[trigo]

At 8/10/04 02:19 PM, PretzelLogic88 wrote: also, with you guys mentioning the deficit ........ bush didnt magically invent it .............. there has been a huge deficit for years ...... hell, correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think that the U.S. budget has been balanced since the early 1800s

Actually you're very incorrect and almost stupid. I'd like to think that every dollar counts and that a lot of those dollars dissappeared as soon as Bush stole the presidency.

[TimScheff]

At 8/10/04 12:10 PM, Celly07 wrote: Mk this is simple. Everyone is bashing him for doing bad things forgiegn, like iraq afghanistan. But personally, what has bush done bad for you?

He has appointed judges who have, from the beginning of taking office, weakend laws for people with disabilities, those makign claims of discrimination, and those wronged in the workplace. Futher, Bush's labor department has changed the administrative rules to further weaken the ability to make claims. This directly effects my clients and therefore my livlihood as a labor attorney. If you want a more direct impact of this, even if the laws were not changed, Bush has underfunded these departments, or cut them back (all while increasing spending in other areas) making the time to actually resolve a dispute last months longer than it used to. Thousands upon thousands of Americans will not realize how they are harmed by these policies until they call an attorney who says "sorry there's nothing I can do for you"

When I went to exercise my right to protest I was cordoned off into an area nowhere near the speaker, all because of the possiblity that I or others with me constituted a security threat. Our 1st amendment aparently only works in parks blocks from the actual appearance of a government figure if you want ot petition that figure for a redress of grievances.

:Has he raised your taxes?

Not my federal taxes, but his policies have resulted in me paying higher fees, far more than my estimated tax cut benefit of ~$300/year. I now pay more for my registration on my car, my hunting lisences, community programs (like the pool and rec. department), and money I spend out of my own pocket while volunteering at a local school because the program money was cut. My property taxes have gone up substanitally because the local government/school/ state government need more money thanks to the federal cutbacks... Less money may be going to the IRS but there are other taxmen out there who want more because of bush's budget cuts to pay for the federal tax cuts.

:Took away your guns?

No, but he authorized for logging the forest where I go hunting, Now I have guns and no place to make use of them.

:But what has he done personally to you?

You say foreign policy has no direct effects, when traveling out of the country (Germany) during the Clinton administration I coudl wear an american flag and be welcomed where-ever I went. Last year My wife was treated with derision where-ever she went and was treated poorly by many Germany. Some vacation.

I will be effected by future tax hikes or loss of government services thanks to Bush's record deficits and the ballooning national debt. Had tax cuts been put off for several years and the money generated from the Clinton budget surplus used to pay down and refinance the massive debt (as clinton was in the process of doing) incurred in the 1980s the cuts could have been bigger and government programs not sacrificed, including peopel my/our age actually having some confidence that Social Security may actually be available to us in the long run.

I do count the high gas prices as something to blame Bush for, but largely acts of omission. American consuption is ridiculous. The federal government could have tightened efficiency controls, the Bush administration went to court supporting automakers to strike down California's attempts to put better controls in place for cars sold in their state, coud have invested in or made alternative energy policy a priority (plus ethanol alternative cars would be a boon for our farmers recieving subsidies in the status quo), all to reduce dependence. Throwing support behind leaders of a (barely failed) coup in Venezulea, one of our biggest suppliers, certainly hasn't help prices.

I am very glad that I don't live in a port city where only a few percent of cargo containers are not being checked. What an amazingly easy delivery device for a dirty bomb or a atom bomb. If there are fears of about terrorism, that one happening is the #1 fear for me. But at least Wyoming is getting a ton of terror funds, with all the major cities, airports, international borders, ports, and Cheneys it has.

Finally, just because you are not personally harmed by Bush's policies isn't a reason to support Bush. If you see the policies hurting others, in a way you yourself would not want to be harmed you should be opposed then too. Its a golden rule thing. Those who don't stand up for the rights of others cannot hope that others will stand up for them when their own rights are at stake.

[Strife156]

After we caught sadam people were asking bush " is the war still going on?"and "why havent our loved ones in iraq come back yet?" basicly bush responded " hey why are you all worried about iraq and your loved ones, GAY PEOPLE ARE GETTING MARRIED DROP EVERY WORRY IN IRAQ AND PUT A STOP TO THIS" so this is just one of the things bush has done, in conclusion bush is a dumb ass

[solusek]

2. marriage ammendment.Im not gay but i have friends who are. ALs it is my adament belief that morals aught to stay out and way the hell away from government. Im not christian and i have very open ideas of morals. So morals interfering with government do affect me. And this ammendment infringes rights of everyone. Everyone augth to have the right to marry the sam sex. I know Kerry is not as adament about this as I am but its better.

Marriage is a christian ceremony."Legal Marriage" is for a man and a woman.Gay marriage is ANTI-Creation.If we all turned gay the human race would cease to be.

[The-Last-Cynic]

At 8/11/04 02:57 PM, solusek wrote: Marriage is a christian ceremony."Legal Marriage" is for a man and a woman.Gay marriage is ANTI-Creation.If we all turned gay the human race would cease to be.

Ok, so then in your definition of what kind of marriage should the government recognize, not only gays should not be married, but also jews or muslims, right.

[solusek]

Ok, so then in your definition of what kind of marriage should the government recognize, not only gays should not be married, but also jews or muslims, right.

Jews and Muslims are considered Christians.At least where I come from.

[solusek]

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Marriage is a christian ceremony."Legal Marriage" is for a man and a woman.Gay marriage is ANTI-Creation.If we all turned gay the human race would cease to be.

When I say Christian I meant to say it was orginaly a christian ceremony but now people of all religions marry but gay marriage is still anti-creation.

[The-Last-Cynic]

Well, what about hindu's, buddhists, and sihks. Do they count. Not my point, my point is you think there should be no gay marriage because there should be no secular marriage.

[CHAOSKILLER]

At 8/10/04 12:37 PM, CI-Lain wrote:

At 8/10/04 12:10 PM, Celly07 wrote: Mk this is simple. Everyone is bashing him for doing bad things forgiegn, like iraq afghanistan. But personally, what has bush done bad for you? Has he raised your taxes? Took away your guns? I want to know personally what he has done. And dont bitch about gas, the oil reserve in the middle east will be gone in 2090, so even now yes the gas prices will go up. But what has he done personally to you?

Well i have to go fly shortly but i feel like responding so i appologize if this respone seems shortwinded and like an outline.

1. Budget Deficit.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-27-budget_x.htm this shows his next years propossed budget will make nice large deficits plus last i check his previous years have caused a large couple trillion dollar deficit. Couple this with his odd tax cuts that in no way benefit me, and suddenly money is dissappearign fast. It affects me because in the future if my taxes are higher or the economy is the shits etc.etc. it will be the fault of this deficit. his previous years otal is like 5.4 trillion last i heard...that sucks.

2. marriage ammendment.Im not gay but i have friends who are. ALs it is my adament belief that morals aught to stay out and way the hell away from government. Im not christian and i have very open ideas of morals. So morals interfering with government do affect me. And this ammendment infringes rights of everyone. Everyone augth to have the right to marry the sam sex. I know Kerry is not as adament about this as I am but its better.

3.job loss. Now i know he gotten some jobs back but not enough to compensate for the loss. Im not in the job pool yet so i have to worry about where ill be after college. Hopefully there will still be a need for lawyers.

You only asked for directly affecting me. Those affect me. I dissagree strongly with alot of things that dont directly affect me that he proposses. but im outa here

bush has regained the economy and the jobs and everything not all of them of course but think about it he is not the reason 4 the economy doin so bad it was the terroist attacks and everything and dont blam im for the wars in iraq and afganistan everyone supported him going into afganistan and he propably had some leads that iraq had weapons of mass destruction that he cant tell us about because it may indanger the lives or compromise classified opperations going on right now and think about it if soddam didnt have weapons of mass destruction then why did he not let weapons inspectors in? huh tell me why ? oh yea thats rite u cant! and besides he probably got rid of them b4 we went to war so it would makeus look bad those weapons are either in iran or north korea! and anyway we freed a lot of misirable people from an oppresive leader that should be enough 4 u!!!!

[CHAOSKILLER]

At 8/10/04 02:19 PM, PretzelLogic88 wrote: also, with you guys mentioning the deficit ........ bush didnt magically invent it .............. there has been a huge deficit for years ...... hell, correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think that the U.S. budget has been balanced since the early 1800s

true true so very true!!

[CI-Lain]

At 8/11/04 02:57 PM, solusek wrote:

2. marriage ammendment.Im not gay but i have friends who are. ALs it is my adament belief that morals aught to stay out and way the hell away from government. Im not christian and i have very open ideas of morals. So morals interfering with government do affect me. And this ammendment infringes rights of everyone. Everyone augth to have the right to marry the sam sex. I know Kerry is not as adament about this as I am but its better.

Marriage is a christian ceremony."Legal Marriage" is for a man and a woman.Gay marriage is ANTI-Creation.If we all turned gay the human race would cease to be.

well technically jews and muslims are not christ-ians seeing as the dont believe he was the son of god.

and what about the hindu religion and shinto religion which both predate the living hell out of christianity and reference religion in their text.

shinto marriage http://www.e-lopers.com/marriage-shinto.htm

so allow me to paraphrase my arguement for you. Take your attempts at imposing religious beliefs on people and shove where the sun dont shine.

secondly. Dont worry not every man and woman in the world is going to hom on us. Homosexuality is not the norm, obviously its a minority but its not bothering you in any way shap or form.

Also people need to stay out of each others buisness. Because if OMg Gayzorz is anti-creation!!!!111 then so is alot of sexual intercourse, and i believe alot of america and its youth would through a huge fit if you tried to outlaw that stuff.

And the purpose of marriage is not to screw and reproduce like rabbits. should any married couple who pass childless have their marriage revoked?. the law makes no statements about childbirthing being a post/pre requisite to marriage.

[LexanPhoenix]

At 8/10/04 12:10 PM, Celly07 wrote: Mk this is simple. Everyone is bashing him for doing bad things forgiegn, like iraq afghanistan. But personally, what has bush done bad for you? Has he raised your taxes? Took away your guns? I want to know personally what he has done. And dont bitch about gas, the oil reserve in the middle east will be gone in 2090, so even now yes the gas prices will go up. But what has he done personally to you?

OK im gonna go ahead and post this, because not many ppl know about it, thanks to the ever-manipulative crew of the bush campaign. There was a trial recently, involving one of the POW's that are being held indefinately in Guantanamo. What concerns me about this is the Bush said he coud hold ANYONE (US citizens included) without a trial, indefinately in prison if he declared them to be a terrorist. In fact, he said that there was nothing the Supreme court could do about it either. Now A) The constitution SPECIFICALLY grants citizens the right to a trial (the Geneva Convention grants forieghn POWs, etc. the right to a trial, and protection from mistreatment, but recently the administration declared this "quaint". After all, why should we follow things when it gets in the way of torturing and mutilating people?) B) He tried to say he had the power to put anyone in jail indefinately without a trial. Doesn't that make him a totalitarian dictator, after all trials and justice are one of the things that separate us from people like Saddam.

Personally I think that Bush has acted EXTREMELY irresposibly with the power he has been granted. On a side note, on a visit to my state (New MExico) people had to sign a form saying they would vote for bush just to hear cheney speak. Last i checked he was a servent of ALL the people of the US , not just the ones that liked him, and its not like this was the Republican National Convention, it was just a visit. This administration has abused the power granted it and the country that it has been chosen to govern. I say that we better put a stop to this NOW before he does something REALLY horrible.