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I am a MMA fighter, saw this club and had never been in so i figured i would drop on in. I figt Boxing, Judo, and Mhuy Tai. Any of you guys fight MMA?

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At 2/24/09 09:34 AM, TheRipper00 wrote: I am a MMA fighter, saw this club and had never been in so i figured i would drop on in. I figt Boxing, Judo, and Mhuy Tai. Any of you guys fight MMA?

About a third of my experience is MMA. I do it... differently though. I'm much more relaxed than most. Tie up more. I'm also 110 pounds at age 19 and am double jointed, so I'm a natural at submission wrestling/jiu jitsu.

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Hey guys, love martials im in. I do Aikido and have been doing it for about a year in a few months. I also do boxing as well. So I try to be the peaceful type when I can so yeah.

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At 2/25/09 12:07 AM, Lagerkapo wrote:

At 2/24/09 09:34 AM, TheRipper00 wrote: I am a MMA fighter, saw this club and had never been in so i figured i would drop on in. I figt Boxing, Judo, and Mhuy Tai. Any of you guys fight MMA?

About a third of my experience is MMA. I do it... differently though. I'm much more relaxed than most. Tie up more. I'm also 110 pounds at age 19 and am double jointed, so I'm a natural at submission wrestling/jiu jitsu.

Relaxation when training isn't a good thing, it means you aren't training hard enough. And if you mean you're reaxed when you fight, most martial artists are. A REALLY good one has already played the fight in their head a few times before the fight even starts, and if each scenario comes out with them winning then yes they're going to be extremely relaxed and confident, which also might unnerve his or her opponent somewhat.

Interesting story guys, I recently broke up with a girlfriend, and her brother, who's about four years older than me, came to kick my ass for making her cry. Well A. She was a a baby anyhow for crying, hell that's half the reason I broke up with her. And B. He was a well known psychopath back when he was still in high school...arsony, blowing up cats, you know, the usual. ANYHOO...

The guy comes to my house and asks me to step outside with him in my driveway. I oblige. Once I get there he runs and punches me in the face. Now I'm a tough son of a bitch, I've been beaten up by my big brother and my dad on enough occasion to know how to take a punch, even a solid one. So all the guy managed to do was knock my face to the side. I then lifted my hand, caught his arm, tugged him to me, and clotheslined him. That got him on the ground(And as anyone in MMA knows, once the opponent's on the ground it's just about all over) I jumped on him, beat the hell out of his face, then sat there talking to him after he gave up.

From there I basically convinced him to leave me the hell alone, and not to keep picking fights every time his little sister cries. It won't fix the fact that he's an idiot, but it will fix the idea of ever coming after ME again.

All in all...it was a good day.

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The guy comes to my house and asks me to step outside with him in my driveway. I oblige. Once I get there he runs and punches me in the face. Now I'm a tough son of a bitch, I've been beaten up by my big brother and my dad on enough occasion to know how to take a punch, even a solid one. So all the guy managed to do was knock my face to the side. I then lifted my hand, caught his arm, tugged him to me, and clotheslined him. That got him on the ground(And as anyone in MMA knows, once the opponent's on the ground it's just about all over) I jumped on him, beat the hell out of his face, then sat there talking to him after he gave up.

From there I basically convinced him to leave me the hell alone, and not to keep picking fights every time his little sister cries. It won't fix the fact that he's an idiot, but it will fix the idea of ever coming after ME again.

Lol, well I think you taught him a lesson or two and won't come back.

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At 2/28/09 08:37 AM, BigLundi wrote: All in all...it was a good day.

Ah Lundi, how I have missed our sharing of stories of "Badassery"

The last fight I got in was out front of the Albertsons grocery store by my apartment.
Some douche comes sliding in to the parking lot in a Saturn L series sedan and nearly ran me over in the process so I flipped him off and yelled the first obscenity that came to mind. The car came to a screeching halt and a guy wearing a Golds Gym shirt jumps out... all five foot six of him, and walks up to me and says "Care to repeat that?" I really couldn't help but laugh at the wild boar standing in front of me trying to intimidate me as I literally looked down upon him. He pushed me, and I stepped back, and asked him to get back in his car and let it go, which was replied with another shove. I glanced it off to the side and brought my right arm in between his and punched him as hard as I could in the throat. He went down and two more guys jumped out of his car, so I ran over and grabbed the pipe out of my car. They stopped in their tracks and I told them to get their friend out of there, and never let me see any of them again.

What do you guys think? Was I justified? Or should I have just let it go and got in my car?

Trying to stir a conversation.

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At 2/28/09 08:37 AM, BigLundi wrote: Relaxation when training isn't a good thing, it means you aren't training hard enough.

Well not necessarily. Laziness is what you're thinking of. I would mark the difference between relaxed tension and tense tension. Uncomfortable and comfortable. Instead of muscling things, I use leverage and such to move more efficiently. That's pretty much universal.

Systema, though, uses a lot of dead weight and complete relaxation techniques to do some powerful and sneaky shit.

Anyone can fight effectively in any way if they know how. It's just a matter of finding your personal level of comfort.

And if you mean you're reaxed when you fight, most martial artists are. A REALLY good one has already played the fight in their head a few times before the fight even starts, and if each scenario comes out with them winning then yes they're going to be extremely relaxed and confident, which also might unnerve his or her opponent somewhat.

Fight smart, not hard. Just goes back to what I'm saying. When I train I work my ass off, but I don't generally get tensed up and start impeding the flow of my body and its energies.

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At 3/1/09 08:31 PM, TheFaces wrote:

At 2/28/09 08:37 AM, BigLundi wrote: All in all...it was a good day.

Ah Lundi, how I have missed our sharing of stories of "Badassery"

indeed..we always did have interesting stories to tell.

What do you guys think? Was I justified? Or should I have just let it go and got in my car?

Trying to stir a conversation.

Oh sure I'd say you were. the guy was obviously high on the testosterone chart and was LOOKING for a fight, so by all means you should have knocked his self esteem down a notch or two and beat some reality into him.

And Lager I'm not disagreeing that martial artists should fight smart, not hard, however just because you know HOW to beat a guy doesn't mean being relaxed is going to make it easier. And anyhow you shouldn't be so ready to fight in the first place, or you end up like the guy Faces here thwacked in the throat.

You have to find a happy medium...sometimes it's not good for a martial artist to be relaxed, sometimes it is. For the individual it depends on body type and speed. Relaxed fighters can think abot their next move better while tensed up ones can worry about either going on the offense or keeping up a solid defense. Personally I'm relaxed, generally, as well when I fight, unless I REALLY want to hurt the guy that's fucking with me(i.e. he stole something of mine or something like that) which is where I tense up, go nuts, and obliterate...get my meaning?

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I'm just starting Krav Maga, it's a style I always wanted to learn

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So I don't post here and all of a sudden Leth's little butt buddy is back. hehehehe. None of you will get that.

I'm just curious Nole how did you almost or did die?

Also I fucked up my elbow a few weeks ago doing brazillian Ju jitsu. It either got hyperextended or nerve damage. Not sure which. To lazy to go to the doctors but i guess i should considering it still hurts.

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Oh and I do NOT do MMA. I may know stand up like it was the back of my hand, and I do know how to grapple but in my eyes MMA is not martial arts. MMA is just fighting with basic concepts of actual martial arts that forgoes the use of very important fundamentals and techniques of true martial arts. I have a cousin who started to taking MMA classes...... No martial arts experience, no real fighting experience, nothing. You couldn't call him a martial artist or even a person who practices martial arts.

Also I see that one of you guys does Tai Chi. A long time ago there was a discussion if Tai Chi was really a martial art. True if you are a very solid practitioner of Tai Chi, understand the fundamentals, concepts, and the idealogy behind each movement of the art it could be used as a martial art but Tai Chi is mainly sought as a form of meditation and even taught as such. In fact there are many Tai Chi masters that would say, "Tai Chi is not a martial art."

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At 3/2/09 12:19 PM, dsmking wrote: Also I see that one of you guys does Tai Chi. A long time ago there was a discussion if Tai Chi was really a martial art. True if you are a very solid practitioner of Tai Chi, understand the fundamentals, concepts, and the idealogy behind each movement of the art it could be used as a martial art but Tai Chi is mainly sought as a form of meditation and even taught as such. In fact there are many Tai Chi masters that would say, "Tai Chi is not a martial art."

I always viewed Tai Chi as a similar art to Yoga. If you apply it a lot, either one can become something more than meditation, but the way that 99% of people practice it, it's mostly breathing and relaxing, or stretching (but that's not even proper form in Yoga).

Nice to see some old members like TheFaces and Lundi around. I've only heard about you guys since you disappeared from here before I joined.

Oh yeah,

I'm back.

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At 3/2/09 06:53 AM, BigLundi wrote: And Lager I'm not disagreeing that martial artists should fight smart, not hard, however just because you know HOW to beat a guy doesn't mean being relaxed is going to make it easier.

I do, at this point, believe that you have not experienced some of the relaxation conditioning that I have through Systema.

And anyhow you shouldn't be so ready to fight in the first place, or you end up like the guy Faces here thwacked in the throat.

I haven't been in a fight in a long while, and strive to avoid them. I keep my mind sharp at all times not because I want to be ready for a fight, but because I want to be alert and relaxed at all times.

You have to find a happy medium...sometimes it's not good for a martial artist to be relaxed, sometimes it is. For the individual it depends on body type and speed.

I am not orthodox. I do combat my way and it tends to do me well. The only time I am tense is at the apex of a strike, when contact is made, and even then it's not so much tension as a pressurized peak of momentum and energy. Every other motion I perform is relaxed. Solid, quick, definite, but very relaxed.

Relaxed fighters can think abot their next move better while tensed up ones can worry about either going on the offense or keeping up a solid defense.

Relaxed fighters (who know how to relax without losing performance) do better at all things. I think we've got two different definitions of relaxation. You can create a much faster and more powerful tension and impact when you remain relaxed throughout than when you try to muscle things. PERIOD.

Personally I'm relaxed, generally, as well when I fight, unless I REALLY want to hurt the guy that's fucking with me(i.e. he stole something of mine or something like that) which is where I tense up, go nuts, and obliterate...get my meaning?

Quite. All I have to say is that I'd much rather hit someone who's gonna tense and meet the impact than someone who can completely diffuse it by letting the energy flow through their relaxed body. From much experience.

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At 3/3/09 12:40 AM, Lagerkapo wrote: I do, at this point, believe that you have not experienced some of the relaxation conditioning that I have through Systema.

Oh now you're just saying, "Well then you aren't as enlightened about the concept of me" which is REALLY gay.

Well that's fine that you haven't been in a fight, and a good thing too, you must be a lucky guy that never gets challenged as often as Faces and I do...but if you don't get into fights so much how can you be such an expert on how to fight generally?

A. A solid, quick defense doesn't make sense if you're relaxed...you can't be solid...AND relaxed...the thing is if you're relaxed and not fast enough to catch the blow like you should, you ARE gonna get hurt.
B. You were'ntpaying attention, anyone who says they're unorthodox is full of crap. There isn't a single fighting stytle or technique or ANYTHING out there that hasn't been done to death. Hell i know drunken boxing, jeet kun do, and tae kwon doe, and mix them all together whenever i fight...but that's not as unorthodox or unusual as you might think, hell I'll bet if i really looked i could find a nice large class of people in PA who do the exact same thing.

the next thing you said, about relaxed fighters being better at all things...yea bullshit. I've gone to many tournaments and I've never seen these professional blackbelt motherfuckers sit there and do breathing exercised as they circle the sparring arena. No, they shout and grunt and grab and punch and kick...hard. You saying that relaxed fighters are beter at everything than these guys? Fine, you go fight a professional and we'll see how long that lasts.

Quite. All I have to say is that I'd much rather hit someone who's gonna tense and meet the impact than someone who can completely diffuse it by letting the energy flow through their relaxed body. From much experience.

No, you definately don't. If someone can tense the right way, and your punch or kick doesn't even hurt them, then they can just take the blow without so much as a flich, grab your limb, and bash your face in. Please, I've been in too many fights for you to say anything other than I'm right.

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No way an actual discussion in this club. *jaw drop*

Relax fighting isn't necessarily different from agressive fighting. Like Lundi said he has seen many people in a tournament who go out there and charge the shit out of the other person and just flat out dominate them. I've seen it many times to, in fact I spar like that most of the time and for a style like Tae kwon Do I believe it to be the better way to spar. I know it is viewed mainly as a defensive art and it is but what sets TKD different from other defensive styles like Judo and such is that it is a striking art and in turn you need to strike. If you are constantly moving at fast speeds in a match/fight, what have you, your reflexes will most likely be faster as well. And for anyone here who knows anything about TKD the most golden attack you have is a back kick and if you sit there and wait to do it, the other person knows what you are going for and in turn ill do things that prohibit you from properly executing the technique.

Now this is not to the complete discrediation of relaxed fighting. Relaxed fighting allows you to conserve your energy and to see tells on your opponents next attack but at the same time disables your stricking ability considerably since you are either A) looking for a hold or B) defending from being pummled by attacks. Another downside is that controlling your adrenaline is a huge problem. Let's face it no matter how calm the fighter if things are getting crazy their adrenaline will start pumping, heart will start beating faster making it even more difficult to fight relaxed. To keep yourself relaxed in this state requires an imense amount of concentration which can lead to less focus on the fight, leading to you getting bitchslapped across the face with a foot.

O and on a side not try not to use the word "gay" like that. That will cause problems if a mod sees it used like that.

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At 3/3/09 04:38 AM, BigLundi wrote: Oh now you're just saying, "Well then you aren't as enlightened about the concept of me" which is REALLY gay.

So what you're saying is that reasoning is restricted only to what I can refer to the codification or work of someone else to prove? Shut your fucking face.

I happen to be of the impression that none of the fighters currently present in this club use Chi integrally in their every motion. If I am wrong, please let me know. Your Chi and your musculature are two very different things. The mindset of Chi is very different. Tension restricts it. Period.

Tension =/= condusive to Chi. Chi = condusive to everything. This is the main reason I do not tense.

Well that's fine that you haven't been in a fight, and a good thing too, you must be a lucky guy that never gets challenged as often as Faces and I do...but if you don't get into fights so much how can you be such an expert on how to fight generally?

I have been in plenty of fights, mainly in school against stupid-ass tough-asses who had big arms but little else. I just choose not to fight now. I don't like hurting people. I have been training in and out of gyms with people that outclass my every skill for 6 years.

I can fight. I fight my way. I'm sorry if you disagree with my way. But you're entitled to your opinion.

A. A solid, quick defense doesn't make sense if you're relaxed...you can't be solid...AND relaxed...the thing is if you're relaxed and not fast enough to catch the blow like you should, you ARE gonna get hurt.

Wrong. Just plain wrong. I move just as quickly and forcefully as I could any other way. The only difference is that my mind is clearer and my Chi flows more freely, and over 6 years of practice, I've found that my way works. Boo fucking hoo for you if you don't get that some use more than their mere body and musculature in combat/life.

B. You were'ntpaying attention, anyone who says they're unorthodox is full of crap. There isn't a single fighting stytle or technique or ANYTHING out there that hasn't been done to death.

Wasn't paying attention? Shut up dude.

This is true enough. Over thousands of years of intensive codification, it's pretty unlikely that anyone is going to come up with a way of manipulating a body that someone else hasn't. This is not to say, though, that one cannot break free of the common patterns and ways of mainstream arts. I do what I do. Most of my technique comes from myself, not someone who told me what to do in x situation. I don't often see people who move like I do, and as such I'd consider myself unorthodox.

Hell i know drunken boxing, jeet kun do, and tae kwon doe, and mix them all together whenever i fight...but that's not as unorthodox or unusual as you might think, hell I'll bet if i really looked i could find a nice large class of people in PA who do the exact same thing.

Yeah. You mix techniques that other people invented. You congregate the things you've learned. Good.

the next thing you said, about relaxed fighters being better at all things...yea bullshit. I've gone to many tournaments and I've never seen these professional blackbelt motherfuckers sit there and do breathing exercised as they circle the sparring arena. No, they shout and grunt and grab and punch and kick...hard.

Someone who truly is relaxed and whose chi truly is developed is ALWAYS in that state, and has no need for breathing excercises, meditation and the like, because they're already and constantly there.

The fact of the matter is that I can hit you just as hard and fight just as well when I know how to control my tension so that it is relaxed. COMPLETE relaxation is motionless. SOME tension must exist to move.

One of the things about Chi and Tai Chi is that you learn to use exactly as much will and effort to move as is needed, no more. Sometimes that means %100 of it. This DOES NOT mean that you need to be tense to do it. Tension is when excess exists.

When I say "relaxed" I don't mean floppy and weak. I mean calm, controlled and stable without overexertion. It's not gonna be explained any better than that because I doubt you're gonna change your mind anyway.

You saying that relaxed fighters are beter at everything than these guys? Fine, you go fight a professional and we'll see how long that lasts.

Heh, we'd see.

No, you definately don't. If someone can tense the right way, and your punch or kick doesn't even hurt them, then they can just take the blow without so much as a flich, grab your limb, and bash your face in. Please, I've been in too many fights for you to say anything other than I'm right.

Fuck your big head dude. I do what I do and for years I've had little opportunity to see why I shouldn't. Your opinion is just that, your opinion and as such a singular component in an infinite and subjective matter in which nobody can truly prove anything. So fuck off.

It's subjective, bro.

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I started Tae Kwon Do back in September, and I'm currently a yellow belt.

I'm not interested about getting into any debates about "which martial art is better", though, because:
A) I don't know enough about other martial arts, and;
B) I don't give a shit which is better.

I might pop in from time to time though if there's discussion going on that I'm interested in.

Continue.

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My family might not be able to afford karate lessons for me anymore. :'(

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At 3/3/09 09:40 PM, Lagerkapo wrote: So what you're saying is that reasoning is restricted only to what I can refer to the codification or work of someone else to prove? Shut your fucking face.

Well that's the impression you gave, sorry if you didn't mean to say that but you did. Also, what's wit hthe hostility?

I happen to be of the impression that none of the fighters currently present in this club use Chi integrally in their every motion. If I am wrong, please let me know. Your Chi and your musculature are two very different things. The mindset of Chi is very different. Tension restricts it. Period.

Chi is mainly used for meditation purposes, not fighting. At least that's what I've always been told by a bunch of old aisian guys.

Tension =/= condusive to Chi. Chi = condusive to everything. This is the main reason I do not tense.

I'm not disagreeing with you, you're not supposed to be tense when you meditate are you? However when you fight...yeah you might want to.

I have been in plenty of fights, mainly in school against stupid-ass tough-asses who had big arms but little else. I just choose not to fight now. I don't like hurting people. I have been training in and out of gyms with people that outclass my every skill for 6 years.

Oh so you don't get into fights anymore because they all know they'd beat the hell out of you anyway, meh, whatever works. Besides, I'm never challenged by muscleheads, I'm challenged by retards who think because some retired police officer gave them a black belt at a local kung fu dojo they're top shit. I'm happy to say they've yet to prove they are.

I can fight. I fight my way. I'm sorry if you disagree with my way. But you're entitled to your opinion.

I am entitled to my opinion, thing is you seem to be getting rather pissed off at my opinion, which is NOT a relaxed thing to do :P

Wrong. Just plain wrong. I move just as quickly and forcefully as I could any other way. The only difference is that my mind is clearer and my Chi flows more freely, and over 6 years of practice, I've found that my way works. Boo fucking hoo for you if you don't get that some use more than their mere body and musculature in combat/life.

Lol, know-it-alls are funny. You think that 6 years of training means you have some sort of expertise? Sorry but come back when you're a 50 year old at the very least and then MAYBE you might know what you're talking about. Trust me I know a shitload there is to know about not relying on muscles and body stature to beat a fucker down, hell I never fight anyone who's smaller than me so I kinda HAVE to know. But despite that neither you or I have a right to say SHIT about SHIT when it comes to THAT subject. Thanks in advance for dropping it.

Wasn't paying attention? Shut up dude.

Again with the hostility, maybe you need to step up the meditation.

This is true enough. Over thousands of years of intensive codification, it's pretty unlikely that anyone is going to come up with a way of manipulating a body that someone else hasn't. This is not to say, though, that one cannot break free of the common patterns and ways of mainstream arts. I do what I do. Most of my technique comes from myself, not someone who told me what to do in x situation. I don't often see people who move like I do, and as such I'd consider myself unorthodox.

And I'm telling you you're not. Trust me nobody is unorthodox no matter what they do, or who they are. Hell how do you think half of the martial arts of the world got started? Same shit you're doing right now, just finding out shit you can do in X situation for yourself instead of some old guy telling you. I garauntee if you went around with an exhibition tape of your moves you'd probably have a shitload of guys going, "Hey dude you do the same thing I do."

Hell i know drunken boxing, jeet kun do, and tae kwon doe, and mix them all together whenever i fight...but that's not as unorthodox or unusual as you might think, hell I'll bet if i really looked i could find a nice large class of people in PA who do the exact same thing.

Yeah. You mix techniques that other people invented. You congregate the things you've learned. Good.

I was trying to make the above point. Besides you say that as if everything you do is completely original. I garauntee you it isn't.

Someone who truly is relaxed and whose chi truly is developed is ALWAYS in that state, and has no need for breathing excercises, meditation and the like, because they're already and constantly there.

Yeah and those people don't exist except for those hundred something year olds you see in old martial arts movies.

The fact of the matter is that I can hit you just as hard and fight just as well when I know how to control my tension so that it is relaxed. COMPLETE relaxation is motionless. SOME tension must exist to move.

Which was the point i was making, you HAVE to tense to do SOMETHING, so the idea of relaxing while fighting is retarded.

One of the things about Chi and Tai Chi is that you learn to use exactly as much will and effort to move as is needed, no more. Sometimes that means %100 of it. This DOES NOT mean that you need to be tense to do it. Tension is when excess exists.

Please I learned that within the first few weeks of studying Jeet Kun Do, that's nothign new. Thing is it takes a shitload of training to get to that point.

When I say "relaxed" I don't mean floppy and weak. I mean calm, controlled and stable without overexertion. It's not gonna be explained any better than that because I doubt you're gonna change your mind anyway.

And why won't I change my mind? Because you constantly don't make sense. I am fully ready to believe that when you're meditating or something you can go ahead and be as relaxed as you damn well please but while fighting and or training...relaxation is not the best option.

You saying that relaxed fighters are beter at everything than these guys? Fine, you go fight a professional and we'll see how long that lasts.

Heh, we'd see.

yeahno we wouldn't, because you'd be destroyed too quick, I wouldn't even get the tiem to grab a good seat, unless you got the weakest guy in the bunch, at which point I might have a good 5 seconds to grab a seat before you lose.

No, you definately don't. If someone can tense the right way, and your punch or kick doesn't even hurt them, then they can just take the blow without so much as a flich, grab your limb, and bash your face in. Please, I've been in too many fights for you to say anything other than I'm right.

Fuck your big head dude.

More hostility jeezome crimes.

I do what I do and for years I've had little opportunity to see why I shouldn't.

Because as you've said it's been a long time since you've been in a fight.

Your opinion is just that, your opinion and as such a singular component in an infinite and subjective matter in which nobody can truly prove anything. So fuck off.

More hostility and admitting that neither one of us can truly be right, proving your hostility is not only wrongly found but a complete waste of text space.

It's subjective, bro.

I don't believe I'm your bro.

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Lundi and Kapo I think this entire argument is subjective to a persons certain abilities, knowledge, experience, and size.
When I was bigger, I was able to be more aggressive, and just thump on people. Now that I've lost some weight though, I can't throw it around the way I used to, and I have to depend more on parries, and dodging. I have expereinced the difference between tense and relaxed fighting first hand.

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Oh, and DSM I almost died in a car accident. I was in a coma for awhile, and even flat lined and pronounced dead twice.
The medical bills, legal issues, and accident were all deemed my fault for "Failure to maintain your lane" even though I was rear ended by a truck, and he fled the scene. No credible witnesses either.

fucking bollocks.

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At 3/4/09 12:45 AM, BigLundi wrote: what's wit hthe hostility?

Lol, baaad day.

Chi is mainly used for meditation purposes, not fighting. At least that's what I've always been told by a bunch of old aisian guys.

Chi... is the intrinsic energy present within all of life and creation. Raki and other such healing energies are generally what chi is manifest as by users of it, eg., meditators/yogis. Chi can also be applied combatatively to inflict pain, subdue a mind, a body, increase force of a strike, etc.

These variables of chi are... simplistic. The very first step in understanding the nature of the spirit and its connection with the earthly, astral and subconscious realms.

There is no limit to it, only your will to abandon what you know over and over.

Oh so you don't get into fights anymore because they all know they'd beat the hell out of you anyway, meh, whatever works. Besides, I'm never challenged by muscleheads, I'm challenged by retards who think because some retired police officer gave them a black belt at a local kung fu dojo they're top shit. I'm happy to say they've yet to prove they are.

No, I don't get into fights because instead of saying "I'll kick your ass bitch" I say something like "Oh, you're into the arts too? Do you have any experience?" and turn it into either them blowing it off and walking away or a civilized conversation.

Eg., I don't throw first punches anymore.

I am entitled to my opinion, thing is you seem to be getting rather pissed off at my opinion, which is NOT a relaxed thing to do :P

Lol, I will admit I've been overly hostile. See: Bad Day.

Lol, know-it-alls are funny. You think that 6 years of training means you have some sort of expertise? Sorry but come back when you're a 50 year old at the very least and then MAYBE you might know what you're talking about.

I Never claimed mastery, only enough experience to decide for myself what I think.

Trust me I know a shitload there is to know about not relying on muscles and body stature to beat a fucker down, hell I never fight anyone who's smaller than me so I kinda HAVE to know.

I've NEVER fought anyone my size. I'm 19 and 105 Lbs. I know all about leverage, psychological fighting and Chi.

But despite that neither you or I have a right to say SHIT about SHIT when it comes to THAT subject. Thanks in advance for dropping it.

Agreed.

Again with the hostility, maybe you need to step up the meditation.

Lol. No comment. No... Comment...

And I'm telling you you're not. Trust me nobody is unorthodox no matter what they do, or who they are. Hell how do you think half of the martial arts of the world got started? Same shit you're doing right now, just finding out shit you can do in X situation for yourself instead of some old guy telling you. I garauntee if you went around with an exhibition tape of your moves you'd probably have a shitload of guys going, "Hey dude you do the same thing I do."

Yeah, there's only so much you can do with four limbs, a torso and a head.

I was trying to make the above point. Besides you say that as if everything you do is completely original. I garauntee you it isn't.

Complete originality? no. My own ideas, yes. That's all.

Yeah and those people don't exist except for those hundred something year olds you see in old martial arts movies.

I may seem like a know-it-all when I say this, but you obviously haven't met the people I have. I've seen a guy DEMOLISH a cinder block with his Ki. moved less than an inch. Didn't use a muscle in his arm either, only Ki. You could feel such an immense pressure in the room... It was difficult to reroute around me.

I've had a girl I barely knew decide it was ok to blast my psyche into the astral realm with an act of will because she saw that I was capable of it.

I don't know where you stand spiritually, but if you've ever transcended this reality in any of the many ways, you might know what I'm talking about.

Which was the point i was making, you HAVE to tense to do SOMETHING, so the idea of relaxing while fighting is retarded.

Yeaaaahh... All I have to say is Brad Scornavacco throwing my 220 Lb friend across a room with a completely relaxed ki punch and an almost floppy arm.

Please I learned that within the first few weeks of studying Jeet Kun Do, that's nothign new. Thing is it takes a shitload of training to get to that point.

And that's a good part of what I'm talking about. Common ground! Yay!

And why won't I change my mind? Because you constantly don't make sense. I am fully ready to believe that when you're meditating or something you can go ahead and be as relaxed as you damn well please but while fighting and or training...relaxation is not the best option.

It's like Faces said, it's a subjective matter and dependant on the individual mind and body.

yeahno we wouldn't, because you'd be destroyed too quick, I wouldn't even get the tiem to grab a good seat, unless you got the weakest guy in the bunch, at which point I might have a good 5 seconds to grab a seat before you lose.

Give me a guy in my weight class and I guarantee you a good fight. Give me someone a lot bigger than me (everyone) who's a PROFESSIONAL fighter and I can't make the same guarantee. I'm confident, not stupid.

More hostility jeezome crimes.

Eh, my bad.

Because as you've said it's been a long time since you've been in a fight.

8 months. Doesn't mean I don't still spar and train regularly.

I don't believe I'm your bro.

S'the point.

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At 3/4/09 01:57 AM, Lagerkapo wrote: Chi... is the intrinsic energy present within all of life and creation. Raki and other such healing energies are generally what chi is manifest as by users of it, eg., meditators/yogis. Chi can also be applied combatatively to inflict pain, subdue a mind, a body, increase force of a strike, etc.
These variables of chi are... simplistic. The very first step in understanding the nature of the spirit and its connection with the earthly, astral and subconscious realms.

I can see the point in this. Although I don't think I believe in it the way that you speak. I studied Tai Chi, and acupuncture, and memorized all of the major negative pressure points in the human body. I'll explain how this can majorly affect a person later on.

No, I don't get into fights because instead of saying "I'll kick your ass bitch" I say something like "Oh, you're into the arts too? Do you have any experience?" and turn it into either them blowing it off and walking away or a civilized conversation.

I just tell them not to touch me, which usually comes off as a challenge I guess because even though I try to avoid fights I seem to get in plenty. Like that douche at the supermarket.

Eg., I don't throw first punches anymore.

I do. You can bet your ass, if you're hell bent on a fight, i'm not going to get hit if I can end it with one.

I've NEVER fought anyone my size. I'm 19 and 105 Lbs. I know all about leverage, psychological fighting and Chi.

Wow... you're... tiny.
I suddenly don't feel so thin.

I may seem like a know-it-all when I say this, but you obviously haven't met the people I have. I've seen a guy DEMOLISH a cinder block with his Ki. moved less than an inch. Didn't use a muscle in his arm either, only Ki. You could feel such an immense pressure in the room... It was difficult to reroute around me.
I've had a girl I barely knew decide it was ok to blast my psyche into the astral realm with an act of will because she saw that I was capable of it.

I honestly can't explain either of these instances, and surely you can't logically expect me to believe either one of them. I'm not trying to belittle, or argue with you, but those are both hard to believe.

I don't know where you stand spiritually, but if you've ever transcended this reality in any of the many ways, you might know what I'm talking about.

Well i've tripped on every drug there is, and I still can't explain that first occurrence. All I want to know is the number of your dealer.

I merely jest

Yeaaaahh... All I have to say is Brad Scornavacco throwing my 220 Lb friend across a room with a completely relaxed ki punch and an almost floppy arm.

Okay, now this is where I was talking about pressure points. I don't know how you're defining "Throwing" but I can actually do the same thing. I don't need to actually hit somebody to send them sprawling to the ground, I simply need to firmly press one of MANY major nerves well hidden in the body, and I can actually send people into epileptic like fits. One occurrence involved a guy literally jumping backwards and landing flat on his back.

Give me a guy in my weight class and I guarantee you a good fight. Give me someone a lot bigger than me (everyone) who's a PROFESSIONAL fighter and I can't make the same guarantee. I'm confident, not stupid.

Well that's always true. Although If I'm going to fight somebody I almost refuse to fight somebody to much smaller then myself, and would rather involve myself with somebody that would pose an actual threat. I guess it just makes me feel alive.

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At 3/4/09 02:47 AM, TheFaces wrote: I can see the point in this. Although I don't think I believe in it the way that you speak. I studied Tai Chi, and acupuncture, and memorized all of the major negative pressure points in the human body. I'll explain how this can majorly affect a person later on.

Pressure points are integral. They are the main (although not exclusive) pathways through which Chi is, ideally, transferred.

I just tell them not to touch me, which usually comes off as a challenge I guess because even though I try to avoid fights I seem to get in plenty. Like that douche at the supermarket.

Yeah, I've always been good at making it seem like I'm just some skinny kid who barely knows how to throw a punch. Acting tough often incites violence.

Eg., I don't throw first punches anymore.

I do. You can bet your ass, if you're hell bent on a fight, i'm not going to get hit if I can end it with one.

If I know there's no way I'm walking away peacefully, I'll be ready, but even though I will not start anything. For legal reasons mainly, and because like I said I don't like hurting people.

Wow... you're... tiny.
I suddenly don't feel so thin.

Pure protein baby!

I honestly can't explain either of these instances, and surely you can't logically expect me to believe either one of them. I'm not trying to belittle, or argue with you, but those are both hard to believe.

I would not expect most reasonable people to believe me. You'd be stupid to if you haven't experienced anything similar. I can, thoug, guarantee ther legitimacy of my claims.

Well i've tripped on every drug there is, and I still can't explain that first occurrence. All I want to know is the number of your dealer.

I merely jest

Well Psychedelics are... close but not really there. One whose potencies include such things will find psychedelics, especially LSD and DMT, to awaken hidden potentials (or burn them out, as I almost did). LSD acts as such because it connects and activates previously unused parts of the brain and psyche. It doesn't show you anything really powerful, just opens you to the idea of it (which is all you really need). The openness and will to pursue it wherever it goes are all I've ever seemed to need.

It's more... lowering the filters in your brain that allow you to experience nothing but the static, physical reality that is the middle plane of your true existence.

EG., drugs can show you new things about yourself, but using drugs for enlightenment is nothing but a spiritual cop-out.

Okay, now this is where I was talking about pressure points. I don't know how you're defining "Throwing" but I can actually do the same thing. I don't need to actually hit somebody to send them sprawling to the ground, I simply need to firmly press one of MANY major nerves well hidden in the body, and I can actually send people into epileptic like fits. One occurrence involved a guy literally jumping backwards and landing flat on his back.

Both. Pressure points are involved, but not necessary. When Ben was thrown, he was lifted off the ground, legs limp (eg., no jump) and landed on his back about 6 feet behind where he was standing, winded. Brad wouldn't do it to me because he didn't want to hurt me, but he did demonstrate his ki by having me stand with my eyes closed ten feet from him and he sat me down with it. Slowly, over ten seconds, but it basically sapped the will to stand from me then pushed me over. CRAZY shit.

Well that's always true. Although If I'm going to fight somebody I almost refuse to fight somebody to much smaller then myself, and would rather involve myself with somebody that would pose an actual threat. I guess it just makes me feel alive.

I agree. I'd rather train with guys who have 100 pounds and ten years on me than my friends my size. That way I can ALWAYS get better.

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I am taking Taekwondo and I have a green belt. I am ready for the blue belt.

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At 3/4/09 09:45 PM, Murcielago1 wrote: I am taking Taekwondo and I have a green belt. I am ready for the blue belt.

Cool. How long have you been doing TKD. I myself am a third dan and cumulatively have been doing it for more than half my life.

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At 3/5/09 12:06 PM, dsmking wrote: stuff

I'm going on what I've seen in this club over the last page and a bit, which is basically arguing and sniping at other people. Hell, I come into this club with a possible eye for joining, and the first thing I'm confronted with is someone giving me a load of argumentative bullshit that I've already stated I'm not interested in.

Also, I love the way you're fretting about what happens if a mod sees people calling other people gay or whatever on the previous page, but as soon as I come in here you basically jump down my throat. Doesn't exactly give me a favourable impression of you people.

So, I've deleted the posts of both yours and mine that have contributed to this pointless little confrontation, and now we're going to start fresh, and you're going to stop being a jackass for no reason, unless of course you want to be banned.

From what I've seen of the people who frequent this place, however, it doesn't exactly seem like there's much point in joining it. I'll still be keeping an eye on you all though.

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At 3/5/09 05:14 PM, NEVR wrote:

At 3/5/09 12:06 PM, dsmking wrote: stuff

I'm going on what I've seen in this club over the last page and a bit, which is basically arguing and sniping at other people. Hell, I come into this club with a possible eye for joining, and the first thing I'm confronted with is someone giving me a load of argumentative bullshit that I've already stated I'm not interested in.

Also, I love the way you're fretting about what happens if a mod sees people calling other people gay or whatever on the previous page, but as soon as I come in here you basically jump down my throat. Doesn't exactly give me a favourable impression of you people.
From what I've seen of the people who frequent this place, however, it doesn't exactly seem like there's much point in joining it. I'll still be keeping an eye on you all though.

Well no offense NEVR, but that's just sort of the way it's always been. Well at least as long as I can remember, and I was one of the original members.
I don't think DSM meant to bilittle you, that's just his attitude, and that's what started his war with Letahlity that spanned from like page 5-70. Well that and Leth was just as stubborn and pigheaded. It's sort of a "My daddy can beat up your daddy" kind of thing when you start talking about martial arts backgrounds. There are some guys that are "Unbeatable" and then there are some that would rather just avoid the confrontation. Unfortunately this has scared off many members in the past.
But if you look at the past X amount of pages, it's not ALL been arguments, but for the most part it is. I guess that's just our way of learning about each other. Mind you not ALL of our history is on NG, we used to have a separate forum, and chatroom waaaaaaaaay long ago.

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Anyhow...to Lager...you gotta understand the reason you seemed antagonistic to me.

In my town, I've always been the guy nobody messes with, mainly because everyone knows I've been training since i was REALLY young...like...6...and I can basically tell anyone how a fight between me and them will go just based off of how they stand. IN YET every fucker that's given a black belt, or told how awesome they are by some has been wishes-he-was-a-sensei OR anyone who watches a kung fu movie can't WAIT to try and tell ME what martial arts are all about.

Hell just the other day I was talking in front of the movies(Just watched Friday the 13th) and some idiot comes up to me and says, "Hey I heard you know martial arts." I told him it wasn't his business, but he scoffs, tries to act like he's top shit and goes, "Please, I bet you don't know the first thing about chi and water movements." I then look at him for about five seconds before saying, "Look, you go back home and watch whatever Bruce Lee movie you got that from and I'll pretend you AREN'T a total tool."

That's just a for instance...happens all the time. So when YOU said something along the lines of "I'm unorthodox" or "I'm relaxed" all I saw was, "I'm special" and "I know I'll never lose"...which after awhile makes me irked.

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At 3/5/09 05:14 PM, NEVR wrote:

At 3/5/09 12:06 PM, dsmking wrote: stuff

I'm going on what I've seen in this club over the last page and a bit, which is basically arguing and sniping at other people.

Not all of it is arguments. When productive, active discussion occurs one can gain valuable insight from people with real experience on the subject. There are and have been a good fistful of skilled, passionate martial artists here.

When we disagree, though, we often phrase our arguments... poorly and it leads to the bickering you've seen.

The problem with this format is that there's essentially no Face-to-face involvement in textual discussion about a physical lifestyle. This is but a parallel microcosm to the oldest art in the world; Combat. (And sex)

Whatever it is, It is what it is.

At 3/5/09 08:14 PM, BigLundi wrote: Anyhow...to Lager...you gotta understand the reason you seemed antagonistic to me.

I understand fully, and after the initial blunder I proceeded to consciously antagonize (smart ass comments, cursing). My apologies.

That's just a for instance...happens all the time. So when YOU said something along the lines of "I'm unorthodox" or "I'm relaxed" all I saw was, "I'm special" and "I know I'll never lose"...which after awhile makes me irked.

Fully understood, and completely understandable. 90 percent of the shit that gets talked in this world is just shit. I would think you pretty stupid if you were like "Oh wow, really? That's SO COOL!" to my words.

I respect the fact that you are a serious, experienced martial artist. I acknowledge that you could probably fuck my shit up if you were intent on such a thing. All I'm saying is that different people will follow drastically different paths, and that there is no such thing as a perfect one. They can all be right, and they can all be wrong.

Although the... edge of our differences is a bit blunt, I do enjoy having my views and ideas challenged, it's how I strengthen them. How I answer that question about myself I never thought to ask, or better yet figure out how to.

THAT is why I am here, to learn. Even the LULtastic antics in here I learn from. I enjoy your point of view, it's to the point.

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What do you guys think, specifically, of Chi/Ki/Intrinsic energy? What do you know about it? Have you ever experienced it?

I think that's a decent topic of discussion, and I'm interested to know.