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To: Sapphire7 -
R.B.S.D. wasn't founded the same way that other Arts were. It is still a fairly young Art. But it's been around long enough to have established itself as being effective. It was founded by several people actually. Here's a link that shows you most of the better known Founders. ==> http://www.realfighting.com/1001/rbsd.htm

Most of the Founders are actually still teaching! That's the good news. The bad news is, because of the way it was Founded, there are A LOT of con-men and arm-chair warriors who claim to teach it! Best to stick with the recognized Founders and those who've trained under them. The best Founder of R.B.S.D. is Marc MacYoung. Here's the link to his official site. ==> www.nononsenseselfdefense.com (MacYoung doesn't pull any punches with regards to R.B.S.D. and real-world violence. His site is the best one, regarding those subjects).

Having trained in Knife Combatives and pulled out a blade in real life, I've got to respectfully disagree with Faces; about using a short-bladed knife in an upside-down or reverse-grip. With a short-bladed knife, you're limiting your range and use of options with a reverse-grip. Kelly McCann, a well-known practioner of R.B.S.D., once described a knife fight that took place in Belize. To make a long story short, he chased a thief into an alley. (McCann thought the theif had cut the throat of a friend of his. Actually, the theif snatched his buddy's gold chain). The theif had a 4"- bladed folding knife in a reverse grip. McCann had a high-end tactical folder with a 3"- blade, in a right side up or saber-grip. This was a rare toe-to-toe knife fight. Every time the theif tried to use his blade, McCann was able to stay out of it's limited range. The thief literally had his own back to the wall. McCann was picking his shot, but the police arrived and arrested the theif....... A short-bladed knife is already going to have less range than a longer-bladed one. A reverse-grip limits it's range even more. But, I do agree with Faces about having a more powerful stabbing effect when a knife is positioned in a reverse-grip, as opposed to a saber-grip.

As far as Sig quotes go:
1) Click the upper right-hand button that says "Account options."
2) Scroll down a bit to where it says, "Forum Signature." Click on the lettering.
3) Type the sentence that you want to appear at the bottom of every one of your posts.
4) Click on the submit button.

BTW, we usually shorten each other's names in the club, when posting. So from now on, I'll call you S7.

P.S. - If you need a profile pic, there's a Profile Pic Makers club in this forum. If you want a Signature Pic, there's the Amature Sig Makers (ASM) or the Sinister Sig Makers Reborn (SSMR), also on this forum. If you're interested, post a polite request at any of those clubs, wait a few days, then check the threads to see if anyone made your pic or Sig.

At 4/7/06 01:15 AM, Monocrom wrote: Having trained in Knife Combatives and pulled out a blade in real life, I've got to respectfully disagree with Faces; about using a short-bladed knife in an upside-down or reverse-grip. With a short-bladed knife, you're limiting your range and use of options with a reverse-grip. Kelly McCann, a well-known practioner of R.B.S.D., once described a knife fight that took place in Belize. To make a long story short, he chased a thief into an alley. (McCann thought the theif had cut the throat of a friend of his. Actually, the theif snatched his buddy's gold chain). The theif had a 4"- bladed folding knife in a reverse grip. McCann had a high-end tactical folder with a 3"- blade, in a right side up or saber-grip. This was a rare toe-to-toe knife fight. Every time the theif tried to use his blade, McCann was able to stay out of it's limited range. The thief literally had his own back to the wall.

I see your point but the fact that he had his back up against the wall was a completely unrelated detail. I was speaking of a large open area. If you're back is up against a wall then you should try to extend your reach as much as possible so that you are less likely to get hurt. But if you are both out in the open a sabre grip is foolish. Seeing as how it is normally stood with the knife pointing away from yourself straight out in front their are way to many openings to be taken advantage of. Especailly if the other person has a noticably longer blade or other type of weapon. If your knife is shorter than your opponents by quite a bit then you should ALWAYS leave it upside down. Because this is for close hand combat and uses the size of their weapon against them.

Don't forget mono, I have been in more kinds of fights than probably anybody else in the club. I know what i'm talking about. ; )

McCann was picking his shot, but the police arrived and arrested the theif....... A short-bladed knife is already going to have less range than a longer-bladed one. A reverse-grip limits it's range even more.

Like I stated in the last peice of writing in this paragraph. If they have a longer knife by a "Noticable" difference. (I'm talking like six or seven inches) then you should use the upside down method. Because this can take advantage of their knifes size and make it easy to get in six or seven shots alot faster than you could with a sabre grip.

If you don't get what i'm saying than pick up a butter knife in your kitchen and stab five times as fast as you can in a sabre stance and then in the reverse stance. You'll notice quite a difference.

But, I do agree with Faces about having a more powerful stabbing effect when a knife is positioned in a reverse-grip, as opposed to a saber-grip.

bah... names for everything I tell ya. XD

To: Faces -
I hear what you're saying. But honestly, how often is such an encounter going to take place in a large, open area. And if it does, both individuals are likely to be a few feet away from each other. If you've got your switchblade in a reverse-grip and I've got a Bowie knife (basically, a short-sword) in a saber grip, you've got to close the distance; in order to use your knife. With my knowledge of Renaissance Swordsmanship, that's not going to be easy! :)

You've got to get in close, and everytime you try; I'm going to get a piece of you. With my longer reach, I can stay outside of your range; while harassing you with the end of my blade. I definitely understand what you mean about getting in close with a reverse-grip........ but first, you got to get in; before you can take advantage of that grip.

An encounter like that is more likely to take place in a confined area. Where your back is against the wall or something else. I'm glad you agree with me about extending your reach in that type of situation. And yes, you do have a lot of experience when it comes to fighting. I never said you didn't! :)

As for the butter-knife experiment, I didn't notice any difference in speed between the 2 grips......... Then again, this is me! Someone who has never trained with a knife might be considerably slower, with a Saber-grip. Darn, I guess I'm too good! XD

To Sapphire-

Personally i like to hold my knife inverted or upside down as you called it. This makes it easier to conceal the weapon making it harder for your attacker to know what angle you're coming from. Also, god forbid, your attacker knows some form of self defence and tries to disarm you, holding the knife inverted will make it more diffucult to take away and come at you with it. If he does manage to grab your armed hand you can maneuver out of his grip easily and possibly cut your opponant. Any random somebody that is just holding a knife to your stomach is trying to rob you and not cause much harm, the best thing to do in this situation is use my favorite martial art. This art comes from a temple high up in the mountains of Japan....this art is called Nike Ryu. Its main objective is to run like hell and get the fuck out of the way. Or if there is nothing in your wallet and its a cheap peice of shit, just give it up, its not worth it. Now, on the other hand if this random somebody is coming at you full force and is really attacking you and trying to slash out your throat, hes either a psychopath, or you did something to someone and seriously pissed them off. This is another good time to use Nike Ryu. Or you can stay there and fight him off. If you are I suggest blocking with the ouside of one arm, this way there are no major arteries that will be cut and its better to sacrifice one arm than your entire body. In reality knife attacks are really fast and you dont have much time to respond. Knife attacks are rarely fatal but someone usually gets cut. Its better to accept this and not be shocked after you get cut, this hesitation could cost you your life. Just pretend like it didnt happen and save the crying over the pain for later. Hopefully my late night speil helped you somehow. And this insomnia is killing me.

To Mono-

Thank you again for the link to bladeforums. Ive spent the past 15 hours reading through different threads. I have never had any problems with Cold Steel so i will continue to use them for butterfly knives and pocket folders, because i like their knife products, they have been the best for me, and i dont care about what company makes them and whose name is on it. And as far as how thay make it, i dont care, pocket folders and butterfly knives arent huge priorities to me. However, swords are very sentimental, historical, and traditional to me. I dont put them on display, i use them and train with them. How they are made means the most to me. So much violence and torture put into a peice of metal to shape a sword so beautifully is an amazing process. I have only ordered one sword- a katana- from Cold Steel and havent had any major problems with it. But the hadle has had some minor raddling lately. And that bothers me. Apparently they hold the pommel in place by a threaded peice of rod welded to the end of the tang. My rod has become lose and im afraid to use it because the sword might come out of the handle and fly away uncontrollably and slaughter my cat. Poor Peirre. If i would have known they do this with the swords i woulnt have gotten it from Cold Steel. But this is not mentioned on thier website. Do you know of any good blade makers that do Katanas and Japanese sword work? And pocket folders and butterfly knives. Im looking for a new company to try out. And what are your opinions on Spyderco? Thank you in advanced for helping me out with this. Your knowledge on blades is pretty impressive. A good friend of mine who is strangely obsessed with knives would enjoy talking with you.

Check out the pic in my profile. Tis funny. Its also my current pic on messenger. I stole it from another NG member. Hopefully he doesnt try to hunt me down and kill me for stealing his crazy ass teddy bear. If he does try i will be prepared. I sleep with my raddling handle katana. Hopefully the blade will fly out and slaughter him...and then my cat...because personally this pussy is getting on my fucking nervers. The purring...make it stop! Gah...anyways...im out for the night...gnight all...and i should steal Tom3's thing and tell you you may never awake. But Im not. Sleep well ATL.

To: satan - Yeah, I practice Nike Ryu as well. Always run away from a knifer. When sharp steel meets flesh, things get ugly real fast. The only time you should ever fight one, is if there's no exit and you can't run away. Never too proud to run, no matter how good you might be with a blade. The other issue, besides arteries, is major muscle groups. A lot of folks don't realize that if you get cut in the wrong spot on your upper arm, your going to lose the use of your hand on that side of your body; for the rest of your life! Everything's connected! About all you'll be able to do is wave to people with it.

Outside of a custom Swordmaker, there are not a lot of choices for a well-made sword. But, for an inexpensive sword that is actually made to be used for martial arts; there's Paul Chen and his line of Hanwei Swords. His "Practical Katana" is very popular. One positive feature is the fact that his swords are differentially heat-treated. (The only proper way to heat-treat a sword). Construction is generally quite good. But considering the low price-tag, keep your expectations realistic....... There WAS an excellent article about this particular sword in the Martialist website, but the site vanished off the web, a couple of days ago. Don't be put off by the fact that it's a Japanese sword that's made in China. Here's a link to it. ==> www.armsofvalour.com Click on the pic of the helmeted knight, then click where it says, "Katanas & Asian Swords." BTW, the rest of the site is made up of mostly wallhangers.

If you're looking for a butterfly knife (or Balisong) that's better than what you'd get from most custom knife-makers, check out Benchmade's model 42. Link ==> http://www.benchmade..detail.aspx?model=42
Spyderco offers a funky looking butterfly knife. Link ==> http://spyderco.com/..ails.php?product=185
(If that's too funky-looking for you, you can get the same knife in stainless steel with gray handles).

Spyderco is an excellent company that makes great products. It's run by a truly decent human being. And Benchmade is exactly the same way! If you need a high-quality pocket-knife or tactical folder, these are the 2 best companies in the industry. For a very reasonable amount of $$$, I recommend the 3"- bladed Delica or the slightly longer Endura, from Spyderco. The best part is, Spyderco recently introduced the Delica 4 and Endura 4; basically, improvements on these 2 very popular models. The biggest one being that now you can reverse the carry-clip's position. (Used to be, you were stuck with tip-up carry. Now, you get to decide if you want tip-up or tip-down carry. I definitely prefer tip-down. The only bad thing is, they had to puch a hole into the middle of the clip; in order to accomedate the exposed pivot pin. This makes the carry-clip a bit more suseptible to breaking, if it gets snagged). But the improvements are definitely a step in the right direction...... The Axis-lock folders from Benchmade have an excellent reputation for lock-strength. Not one reported failure of the lock. But, all of the current models are tip-up carry only. An excellent liner-lock model is the Benchmade Stryker, a modified tanto point designed for tip-down carry. I owned one once. A truly excellent knife. There's also a company named "Strider knives" that makes some sweet Frame-lock folders. (But they're all tip-up carry and pricey).
MORE LINKS! ==> www.spyderco.com / www.benchmade.com / www.striderknives.com

As always, I'm happy to help out another club-member. You're Welcome. :)

I can have a conversation with anyone. But If your friend has a real interest in using a knife for self defense, have them create an NG account and join our club! If it's more of a general interest in knives, well; we can figure out something later. Just let me know which knife-related topic your friend is interested in. :)

BTW, yeah my insomnia is starting to get to me too. Can't fall asleep, then when I finally do; can't wake up! Dammit!

i used to do karate until i got brown belt now i do ninjitsu and im yellow belt so can i join

on knives im not very experienced using large knives but im great with the small combat style ones but i dont use them for attack i use martial arts to defend myself

---------- Best practical sword on the market / Worst wall-hanger! ----------

To: satan -
Here's another sword you might want to try out. (I was thinking of this one while making my last post, but I wasn't sure if it was still in production. Couldn't find any info on it while searching for it, specifically. But with my luck, I stumbled across it while searching for something else)! :P

It's made by the Busse Knife company. And, it's called the "American Kensei 47" or "AK-47," for short. (Don't you just LOVE marketing ideas)? Busse's reputation in the industry is almost legendary! Their knives are built like tanks! Sadly, a couple of years ago; their knives became so popular that collectors started gobbling them up! Those who actually needed a knife built like a tank, could no longer afford a Busse knife. Luckily, the President of the company realized the problem. So, he created a new knife company just for users. It's called "Swamp rat." Worth checking out. Here's their link. ==> www.swamptar.com

The "AK-47" Sword is MUCH better quality than what you'll get from ColdSteel or Hanwei........ But it's practical, to the point of being a bit ugly. Nothing fancy about it. Nothing on it that doesn't need to be there. But if you want something that actually works hard, instead of looks good on your wall; check it out. ==> http://www.bussecomp..store.com/knives.htm
(Scroll down to the 4th pic on the page).

Dammit! The 1st link in my previous post doesn't work! (First time I mispelled a link. How embarassing)! :O

Here's the right one! ==> www.swamprat.com

To Mono:
Thanks for the advice on knives and "sigs", I appreciated that. I took a quick peek at the that site with the R.B.S.D. founders. There several topics they go over that are helpful for self-defense knowledge, I've learned quite a bit. About the sig pics, I think I may wait a while before considering whether I'd like to do it or not, though it seems fashionable with a few of you...
I'll remember the advice that
all of you gave me. Hopefully, I'll never have to put your advice to use; I live in a quiet suburb of Chicago and nothing crazy usually goes on, though my school was given a threat by someone and my parents had me stay home all day, throwing my school situation on the fritz. I think it'll be dealt with though. Again, thanks for the info.

At 4/7/06 04:39 PM, punkboyben wrote: i used to do karate until i got brown belt now i do ninjitsu and im yellow belt so can i join

theres no yellow belt in ninjutsu... please.. can you be a bit more specific as to your art? like give me the full japanese name. i do ninjutsu too, togakure ryu, and theres no yellow belt in it, and i was under the impression that togakure ryu was the only surviving ninjutsu school out there... welcome to the club anyways though..

knives.. i perfer to hold reverse grip, but i havent been trained in slashing and stuff with them, i have been trained a bit in how to use them to accentuate throws and joint locks and reverse grips really help with that. with the much longer blades i can go for either way, whichever is more conveient at the time.
satan: i didnt know that a reverse grip made it harder to get disarmed... personally i dont think it would make much of a diffrence.. but ill ask you on msn so as to not fill up the forum with needless posts.

To: S7 -
Happy to help! If I knew as much about making $$$, as I do about knives; I'd be dirty, stinking rich!! ......... But yeah, I also hope you'll never have to put our advice to use.

To: Ts -
Hopefully the situation with punkboyben is just a misunderstanding......... Or perhaps he thinks he's taking REAL ninjutsu, but is being conned. (Like that supposed Ninjutsu expert who wrote those books that you mentioned earlier). But yeah, it is harder to disarm someone who is using a reverse-grip vs. a saber-grip. In a saber-grip, the thumb is not locked down into a solid fist. The thumb is usually extended along the spin of the blade (assuming you're using a folding knife), and your wrist is bent forward. In a reverse-grip, you have a fist that surrounds the knife handle. Your thumb is locked down and your wrist is kept straight. These 2 factors allow for a stronger grip. (But under most circumstances, it's best to control the weapon-arm and wrist, rather than try to outright disarm someone with a knife). Disarming a knifer looks easy when an instructor has a cooperative student, as his opponent. Usually what happens when a Defender tries to disarm a knifer, the knifer bends his elbow and jerks his arm back against the side of his torso. Result? The Defender ends up with his arm or hand cut open!

Let's lighten the mood a bit. Here's something I recently found; martial arts bloopers! :D
Watch, Enjoy and Laugh alittle. ==> http://www.metacafe...artial_art_bloopers/

oh.. i thought you just held the knife with the blade pointing out the back... well the way ive been taught to disarm is to essential just get a wrist lock, then the finger muscles weaken and you can just pull the knife out, im not saying its the thing to do, but you can.

haha nice clip, i love those things... i saw one that wasnt quite so funny, where they were doing sword exercises and the teacher accidently went a half-inch too deep and cut his students neck open... the student was OK, but that just gives me more reasons not to want to do silly forms like cutting a cucumber that was balanced on someones neck, which is what they were doing...

To: Ts -
Thw wrist-lock could work, but you've got to be fast enough to appy it. As for the other video you mentioned, I saw it too! That was a few years ago. That was one F**ked up demonstration! :O

------ Why you shouldn't pretend that a chaep-ass wall-hanger is a quality sword! ------

Click here! ==> http://www.killsomet..deo/video.asp?ID=246
:D

Eh im not to interested in making my own style. Dont get me wrong i think its a good idea but i dont see to much of a point. I know a few styles and all but my heart is really in TKD and nothing can change that.

Unless you are a master-level practitioner and a certified (if possible) soka, making your own style is futile for anything other than recreation, defense, and motion art.

Sounds fun, but officiality cannot be obtained without due experience.

At 4/7/06 02:20 AM, Monocrom wrote: To: Faces -
I hear what you're saying. But honestly, how often is such an encounter going to take place in a large, open area. And if it does, both individuals are likely to be a few feet away from each other. If you've got your switchblade in a reverse-grip and I've got a Bowie knife (basically, a short-sword) in a saber grip, you've got to close the distance; in order to use your knife. With my knowledge of Renaissance Swordsmanship, that's not going to be easy! :)

I do see what you are saying. But you have to understand i'm talking like the difference between a tactical folder that's about three inches long to like a very large bowie knife for example. Not just like two inch difference.

You've got to get in close, and everytime you try; I'm going to get a piece of you. With my longer reach, I can stay outside of your range; while harassing you with the end of my blade. I definitely understand what you mean about getting in close with a reverse-grip........ but first, you got to get in; before you can take advantage of that grip.

Yeah, I guess not everybody has about a four foot reach like me, eh? Hehe, but still you have to concidder that if somebody does jump or slide to your left or right and stabs you a few times in the kidneys you're basically all but dead.

An encounter like that is more likely to take place in a confined area. Where your back is against the wall or something else. I'm glad you agree with me about extending your reach in that type of situation. And yes, you do have a lot of experience when it comes to fighting. I never said you didn't! :)

Not neccesarily. It really depends on where you live. In vegas their arn't that many confined areas that are real small like that. Usually knife fights of the sort are in a larger area with alot of maneuvering room. I know that If I see somebody go into a back alley though and I have no clue if they have a weapon or not. regardless of what they have just done, i'm not chasing them. That's retarded.

Had to restate the obvious btw.

As for the butter-knife experiment, I didn't notice any difference in speed between the 2 grips......... Then again, this is me! Someone who has never trained with a knife might be considerably slower, with a Saber-grip. Darn, I guess I'm too good! XD

No, I didn't mean like a HUGE difference, but I can get in six or seven stabs in the time that it takes me to do about five with the sabre grip. And I'm deffinetlly not inexperienced with ANY kind of weapon. Especially not a knife.
The reason you're faster though with a reverse grip though has to do with your muscle structure. If you're arm is alittle ways out in front of you it is harder for your muscles to rebound back into the same position. Than if you are simply snapping your arm to the side.

At 4/7/06 10:48 PM, Tsuchiya wrote: oh.. i thought you just held the knife with the blade pointing out the back... well the way ive been taught to disarm is to essential just get a wrist lock, then the finger muscles weaken and you can just pull the knife out, im not saying its the thing to do, but you can.

Actually the easiest way to disarm is to grab and squeeze very hard aproximatelly four to six inches above the wrist on the underside of the forarm. This makes the muscles in your hand tense up and when you let go of the wrist it makes them lose their grip conciderably and then simply snap downwards hard on the top of their wrist.
The knife, gun, stick, etc... will 99% time fall right out of their hand if you do this quickly.

Faces: is it right where the muscle on the forarm starts to get bigger? cause i tried sqweezing in several diffrent places on my forarm, and the best i could get white finger marks on my arm, except when i sqweezed right where the muscle begins, it made me a little swore, my i didnt feel my fingers tense up..

mono: lol i've seen that last video too, my JKD friend showed it to me, and we laughed alot over it. speaking of which, only a couple more months till i get to see him again, and we'll be able to compare our two diffrent training styles. ive found that ninjutsu and the old kenjutsu thing have alot in commen, which would explain why i got my green belt before another guy in the class, so when i spar with my friend we'll be able to compare our own abilities since the fighting style doesnt vary doesnt much. if only that seminar didnt get cancelled, then i could've got an extra little dab of sword training.

and back to the knives, my teacher told me that ninjutsu used the reverse grip because it was somtimes faster to draw out then the with the forward grip, and that when you stab you have a bit more reach, would that apply to use with a knive too?

At 4/8/06 02:36 AM, Tsuchiya wrote: Faces: is it right where the muscle on the forarm starts to get bigger? cause i tried sqweezing in several diffrent places on my forarm, and the best i could get white finger marks on my arm, except when i sqweezed right where the muscle begins, it made me a little swore, my i didnt feel my fingers tense up..

Sorry, I made an error in the last post. I said four to six. It's more like two to three inches. But it's not supposed to be a long grip. Just kind of grab it quickley and they should tense up.

At 4/8/06 02:46 AM, -TheFaces wrote:

At 4/8/06 02:36 AM, Tsuchiya wrote: Faces: is it right where the muscle on the forearm starts to get bigger? cause i tried squeezing in several different places on my foerarm, and the best i could get; white finger marks on my arm, except when i squeezed right where the muscle begins, it made me a little sore, but i didnt feel my fingers tense up..

Sorry, I made an error in the last post. I said four to six. It's more like two to three inches. But it's not supposed to be a long grip. Just kind of grab it quickly and they should tense up.

The major problem with using that technique is that most folks aren't that quick. Also, most knifers are smart enough to hit a Defender with their off-hand, if someone tries to disarm them. As for sliding or jumping to the side, with the saber-grip vs. reverse-grip encounter, trust me; Renaissance Swordsmanship teaches how to deal with that sort of thing. LOL .......... that would be kind of funny; jumping to the side as a swordsman takes a step forward and angles the point of the blade up. That's going to be one painful landing! ;)

To: Ts -
The part about a reverse-grip = faster draw, that's correct and also applies to knives. But as far as stabbing goes, a reverse-grip will result in more powerful stabs than with a saber-grip. But the biggest disadvantage with using a knife in a reverse-grip is it's LACK of range. The saber-grip definitely has the reach advantage.

At 4/7/06 11:27 PM, dsmking wrote: Eh im not to interested in making my own style. Dont get me wrong i think its a good idea but i dont see to much of a point. I know a few styles and all but my heart is really in TKD and nothing can change that.

I also, being a Tae Kwon Do practitionor, trust its functionality to a great extent. If you read any previous post of mine on this forum, you'll see that I aspire to obtain a plethora of knowledge of self-defense, a primary reason of mine to join this club forum. I wish to learn any principles of fighting and mix them into my own fusion style, which uses techniques of Karate, TKD, JKD, ninjitsu, judo, kung fu, R.B.S.D., etc. I would learn all principles of these styles (most of them probably being universal among fighting styles) and apply them to all of their techniques and moves (a few also being universal among each other) to find a perfect balance of functionality, power, speed, and finesse. It'd be kinda like my own JKD, but it is still based within the principles and ideas of other martial arts. I'd only create my own style as a defensive one and an art, as Tombulgius said; I don't plan on officializing it as a separate style due to the fact that it's based off of other styles and therefore not origional. It'd be fun though... fine, nothing can change the fact that your heart is in TKD, nor may it change others devotions to their own styles. I just thought I'd express my own opinion and idea on the subject...

So hows everyones training going. i've been training like hell lately and my body is completely maxed out. I seriously dont know how much more of this shit i cant take it. Maybe 40 hours a week of training plus 40 hours of school, plus 20 more hours of work is gonna kill me. :p. So how much does everyone else train.

On a side note, i actually invented a couple of new techniques that are still in the development process. They are pretty sick but i need to balance out my body a bit more in order for them to be effective. I've made names for them andthey are possible cause i've done them(crappily since i just started them).

One is called 720 trick kick, which is just like a regualar 540 but with a sudden burst of speed aimed at the head. You start the spin and as soon as you get to 360 you act as if you will land, then as soon as you start to go down whip your body so you kick even faster than in the beggining and take out the head. This is a big sparring technique that if i get right it will be fucking insane.

The other is a bit more simple but requires both upperbody and lower body strength. This kick is more for show than anything else. Its a combination of a scorpion kick and a tornado. Once you do the scorpion kick(jumping front snap kick but you turn your body upside down in mid air and land on your hands), as soon as your hands hit the ground use your hands to spin your body and swing your legs out creating somewhat of a helicopter motion then land on your feet. This one is insanely hard.

At 4/9/06 12:54 AM, dsmking wrote: So hows everyones training going. i've been training like hell lately and my body is completely maxed out. I seriously dont know how much more of this shit i cant take it. Maybe 40 hours a week of training plus 40 hours of school, plus 20 more hours of work is gonna kill me. :p. So how much does everyone else train.

On a side note, i actually invented a couple of new techniques that are still in the development process. They are pretty sick but i need to balance out my body a bit more in order for them to be effective. I've made names for them andthey are possible cause i've done them(crappily since i just started them).

One is called 720 trick kick, which is just like a regualar 540 but with a sudden burst of speed aimed at the head. You start the spin and as soon as you get to 360 you act as if you will land, then as soon as you start to go down whip your body so you kick even faster than in the beggining and take out the head. This is a big sparring technique that if i get right it will be fucking insane.

The other is a bit more simple but requires both upperbody and lower body strength. This kick is more for show than anything else. Its a combination of a scorpion kick and a tornado. Once you do the scorpion kick(jumping front snap kick but you turn your body upside down in mid air and land on your hands), as soon as your hands hit the ground use your hands to spin your body and swing your legs out creating somewhat of a helicopter motion then land on your feet. This one is insanely hard.

I train about 1 hour at my school course of TKD, and at home I work for variable moments of time perfecting techniques/ practicing patterns/ trying to find ways of functionally using my techniques (I have a punching bag in the basement which I kick and punch and chop sometimes). I wish I had a similarlly aged brother to spar against (or perhaps a clone of myself, I'm a dreamer), that way I could tell if I could really defend myself well enough. For now, though, I have no brother or any friend in the area with whom I could spar with in a friendly/ full contact manner... (sigh)

DSM: have you ever thought about toning down the amount of training your doing? can it realy be healthy to do so much?
because of ninjutsu trainging style i cant really practice with a punching bag, i need another person ( ive been complaining about not having anyone to spar with, this why), so the only real training i get is in the classes.

about the moves, i bet they would make more sense if i knew what you were talking about, im not too familiar with TKD terms. though its cool you made your own techniques anyway, whether i know what they are or not..

S7: i know what your talking about your art, the guy who owns the kung fu school i go to is doing that, he doesnt teach it, but he is learning every art he can and taking the best qualitys from them to perfect his own techniques.

mono & faces: thanks for the knife advice, im not especially knife-literate if you couldnt tell..

At 4/9/06 01:56 AM, Tsuchiya wrote:

mono & faces: thanks for the knife advice, im not especially knife-literate if you couldnt tell..

Happy to help. If you have ANY questions about how to use a knife to defend yourself, or how an attacker is likely to use one against you, don't hesitate to post.

can i join, i like watching people do martial arts and fight, i dont do it though, am i still welcome to the club?

At 4/9/06 08:47 AM, Dumbass_Dude wrote: can i join, i like watching people do martial arts and fight, i dont do it though, am i still welcome to the club?

Of course. Even though we originally said it was met for all martial artist we have always welcomed those who are interested as well. I do suggest that you give doing it a shot though. Who knows you may love doing it as well.

And training that much isnt unhealthy for you. It hasnt killed me yet. And i do take off on sundays usually so i get a lil bit of rest. And sides i need to practice this much. Some people got natural talent. others dont. i dont so in order to be the strongest i do it this much.

At 4/9/06 08:47 AM, Dumbass_Dude wrote: can i join, i like watching people do martial arts and fight, i dont do it though, am i still welcome to the club?

I second dsmking's opinion, come and join! If you have an interest for martial arts, you should probably learn one or more. If you have any questions on Martial Arts, ask here, the club will do its best to answer, and most answers are quite professional. Welcome to the Martial Arts Club!!!

At 4/8/06 04:42 PM, Monocrom wrote: tried to explain how I was wrong in my last few posts.

I'm just horrible at explaining things. If I had a camera I could show you exactlly what I mean, but I can't really explain it. Like not really jump to the side for example just very quickley with like a bouncy movement. -_-
I can't explain it. It's like a very swift movement to their rear side of the knife hand and execute very quickley. I have practiced the move against a friend that I practically forced to try and stab me. And it worked beutifully.