Alternative Politics Thread

[Jemistad]

I'm bored with all the anti-Bush, 9/11 type discussions. This thread is for other political conversations. It would be nice if some English people replied aswell.

[The-Enforcer]

What kind of topics do you want to discuss?

[DrKilledByDeath87]

I'm up for some un-US related politics, whats on ur mind

[Jemistad]

Not sure. Absolutely anything. I've been really interested in gun control since watching Bowling for Columbine.

[Jemistad]

Anyone got any better ideas?

I can't think of any topics, but this thread looks like a really good idea. I hope more people post on it.

How about a topic about how Tom Cruise has never one an oscar?

[Jemistad]

That is because he can't act.
Actually I read a paper recently, and it said he's going to continue working only in art-house movies. Apparently that's the only way you can win oscars.

I don't know why he cares so much. He is famous, rich and has slept with Nicole Kidman.

[Montgomery-Scott]

Weather canibalisim is justified in nesecesity. Like the Spelunkean Explorers. I think that in times of desprate need, canibalisim is justified. Discuss.

[Jemistad]

At 7/26/04 05:01 PM, Quanze13 wrote: Weather canibalisim is justified in nesecesity. Like the Spelunkean Explorers. I think that in times of desprate need, canibalisim is justified. Discuss.

I agree. It can be necessary. I remember reading a true story a while back. In the Victorian times, three men were stuck on a boat at sea. One fell ill. The other two men killed him and ate him - as it was the only way they could survive. When they got back to land, they informed the police of what they did. Cannabalism was not a crime, but murder was - so they were sentenced to a hanging. However they got a pardon from the queen.

I think it's sick. Have you never seen Silence of the Lambs. How can you condone cannabalism after watching that?

[Montgomery-Scott]

because its a MOVIE dumbass. They DRAMATIZED it. They made it more horrible. If you had a choice between eating a person and dieing, i bet you would eat the person.

[The-General-Public]

And Plus, its not like they weren't feeding Hannibal, he just ate people for fun, not for survival

[Jemistad]

True. It is a brilliant film though. I'm from England so I don't know the laws on cannabalism in America. Is it illegal?

[Jimsween]

Uhm... I think they should roll the sales tax over into the income tax; because it needlessly penalizes poor people and benefits people who put most of thier money into the bank instead of spending it.

[Wraith]

I believe I have a possible topic for you all to toss around.
This was an idea I had several months ago, and posted it on Politics. Unfortunately, the idea never really took well, so I'm going to post my original statement here. Keep in mind, this is a rough idea, so I want you all to suggest additions and changes that should be made, not just "Oh, it wouldn't work, etc." After all, this is alternative politics, correct? Here goes...

"Administrational abuse of power. Corporate corruption. Hostile foreign policy. Might makes right. These are a few things that seem to have happened in the U.S. over a past few years. Presidency, Congress, American public. Argue the cause if you wish, but face it, we're on a decline.
Capitalism was supposed to be a wonderful system, but it is failing badly. In fact, every political system in history has declined. Why? human intervention. No system is truly flawed enough to fail, but it is if it's caretakers are flawed.
Now, this may just be my opinion, but communism might be the solution. Yea, I know, the whole history thing says communism is bad, but what if it wasn't run by humans?
What I am suggesting is, a independantly decision-making supercomputer specifically designed to run the government. This way, the system can make logical and reasonable choices, un-biased by prejudices and negative emotions, such as self-preservation and greed. Your thoughts on this?"

A bit crude, but I think you all will have fun with it. Knock yourselves out. =)

[Jemistad]

At 7/26/04 05:26 PM, Jimsween wrote: Uhm... I think they should roll the sales tax over into the income tax; because it needlessly penalizes poor people and benefits people who put most of thier money into the bank instead of spending it.

That's just a direct quote from a school history text book, non?

[Jimsween]

Oh and I think cannibalism should be legal, as long as the person is already dead (not murder) and said thier body could be used for that.

There really is no justification to illegalize it, who does it hurt? What are negative effects of it? It's just a moral issue but moral issues should never be the reason we make laws.

[Jimsween]

At 7/26/04 05:28 PM, Jemistad wrote: That's just a direct quote from a school history text book, non?

Huh? ....no, are you being sarcastic or something?

At 7/26/04 05:26 PM, -Wraith- wrote: A bit crude, but I think you all will have fun with it. Knock yourselves out. =)

I think thats a brilliant idea. We need to get a proper idea going if this bored is going to survive. Care to start us off Wraith?

[Jimsween]

At 7/26/04 05:26 PM, -Wraith- wrote: I believe I have a possible topic for you all to toss around.

Believe it or not thats a very mainstream topic at newgrounds. We evem have our resident communist Slizor.

[Wraith]

At 7/26/04 05:30 PM, Racehazard wrote: I think thats a brilliant idea. We need to get a proper idea going if this bored is going to survive. Care to start us off Wraith?

I'd rather not. I've got some old statements that I'll pull out if any of you come up with similiar ideas, but I'd rather see what you all will come up with on your own.

At 7/26/04 05:32 PM, Jimsween wrote:

At 7/26/04 05:26 PM, -Wraith- wrote: I believe I have a possible topic for you all to toss around.

Believe it or not thats a very mainstream topic at newgrounds. We evem have our resident communist Slizor.

Cool. I think Jemistad wants this board to survive. Maybe if Slizor contributed it would help. I'd quite enjoy a communist conversation. I myself am slightly communist - more anarchic socialist if you will.

[Wraith]

At 7/26/04 05:32 PM, Jimsween wrote: Believe it or not thats a very mainstream topic at newgrounds. We evem have our resident communist Slizor.

Communism, yes. Run by a giant supercomputer, no. Hey, I thought it was original at the time. And it doesn't have to be communism. It can be a dictatorship, or even be capitalism, but with the computer as the ruling government.

[Jemistad]

I see your point about a computerized government. I had a discussion with people on another board about bias. We decided that to decide bias - you had to be completely unbiased yourself - or at least not let bias alter your actions and choices.

A computer could be removed of all bias - its very nature suggests neutrality.
I just don't know how comfortable I would feel with an electronic government.

How would you define communism as a programme?

At 7/26/04 05:39 PM, Jemistad wrote:

How would you define communism as a programme?

You raise some interesting issues.
One thing to point out is :-

Who would make the desician to install a computerised government? It would be an incredibly difficult thing to instigate.

For running a country, a computer might sound like a good idea. What about foreign affairs?

[Celly07]

I think communism is failing in all countries but china, and its more free enterprise then most communist countries. I think the idea of marxism is a good one tho.

At 7/26/04 05:48 PM, Celly07 wrote: I think communism is failing in all countries but china, and its more free enterprise then most communist countries. I think the idea of marxism is a good one tho.

Marxism is lovely. What about Cuba - there is some poverty, and it is a lazy sort of communism - but it works to an extent.

[bumcheekcity]

I agree. If the circumstances were absolutely dire, I wouldn't judge you for eating a person. However, I wouldn't support the lagalisation of cannibalism. Not in normal circumstances.

[Jemistad]

Cuba is hardly fantastic. Honestly.
Fidel Castro is extremely rich - and he lives in a palace.

[Jimsween]

At 7/26/04 05:57 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: I agree. If the circumstances were absolutely dire, I wouldn't judge you for eating a person. However, I wouldn't support the lagalisation of cannibalism. Not in normal circumstances.

Give me one good reason why not.