Israeli court for Holocaust deniers

[resignedfromtheworld]

If you make an "anti-Semitic" remark, such as denying the Holocaust, you might be extradicted to Israel where you will be assuredly tortured and sentenced by a completely foreign jury. Might as well lock us away for saying Lincoln didn't chop down that cherry tree.

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[jimmydeadstar]

seems a bit silly. I doubt a European citizen would be tortured by Israel, however.

[witeshark]

I really find it hard to believe that Israel would bother to go to tht much trouble

[Metal69hed]

What a load.

This ridiculous rumor can somehow be related to the increase in violence against Jews in Europe. I remember two months ago from the AP that the EU was stating in a conference that they need to somehow discourage this violence from happening again, they held this conference after Jewish tombstones in France had spray-painted swastikas on their face.

I can't judge the credibility of this site that was linked as I'm not British.

[Metal69hed]

"Might as well lock us away for saying Lincoln didn't chop down that cherry tree."

That was Washington you edjit.

[Reverend-Kyle]

Don't you have to commit the crime in the country (aside from being in a country that has extradition "treaties", if you will, with these other countries) that you may be extradited to?

If I'm in Canada and I deny the Holocaust, I didn't do anything to Israel. I'm not going to get extradited to Singapore for chewing gum, am I? (Actually, I think that ban has been lifted.)

[Montgomery-Scott]

At 7/22/04 08:50 PM, kangaroo_court wrote: If you make an "anti-Semitic" remark, such as denying the Holocaust, you might be extradicted to Israel where you will be assuredly tortured and sentenced by a completely foreign jury. Might as well lock us away for saying Lincoln didn't chop down that cherry tree.

Bull SHIT. They couldn't lock us up, because Lincoln didn't chop down the cherry tree -- Washington did.

[Slizor]

That was Washington you edjit.

It's spelt eejit, you eejit.

[bumcheekcity]

At 7/23/04 08:25 PM, Red_Hot_Bakshi_Sauce wrote: Okay, the thing I ask is, Is this true or not?

The link is to the Telegraph, so I don't doubt it's validity.

[Jimsween]

I dont see what this has to do with Israel, its Germany and Austria that have those laws.

[The-General-Public]

Glad I don't live in Europe. I believe the holocaust happened, but I think punishing someone for their beliefs, no matter how stupid is an insane practice.

[Spookshow]

Not to sound cold, I admit a horrible thing happened yes... but punishing those who view differently than you is wrong. That would be like blacks trying the whites in court for saying the KKK was right. I do not agree with either sentiment, nor do I condone racial hatred but sometimes people take things a bit too far.

[JackOfShadows]

At 7/24/04 06:13 AM, Spookshow wrote: Not to sound cold, I admit a horrible thing happened yes... but punishing those who view differently than you is wrong. That would be like blacks trying the whites in court for saying the KKK was right. I do not agree with either sentiment, nor do I condone racial hatred but sometimes people take things a bit too far.

Denying the holocaust (in some countries) is like burning the country's flag. It's against the beliefs the country stands for. Shouldn't a man saying that whites are superior and all blacks must be enslaved be judged for expressing such stupid beliefs?

[Spookshow]

Judged yes, tried no. While it is against the law to burn a flag here, should we try someone who burns Old Glory in another country completely? I would like to but I will be the first to say that would be stupid and hard to do.

[JackOfShadows]

At 7/24/04 06:50 AM, Spookshow wrote: Judged yes, tried no. While it is against the law to burn a flag here, should we try someone who burns Old Glory in another country completely? I would like to but I will be the first to say that would be stupid and hard to do.

I agree that if you burn Jamaica's flag in Btazil you should not be trialed. The same goes for those who deny the Holocaust while being in a country that has no rules against it. Im was talking about people who deny the Holocaust in countries that do have laws against it.

I don't beleive the first post, I was adressing another issue.

[HappyBull]

Yes, the Holocaust really did happen, the first Holocaust denyers were the Nazis themselves! When they were losing the war, and the Allies were winning in Europe, the Nazis began to panic and tried desperitely to hide their crimes of cruelty and inhuman treatment. A lot of people deny the Holocaust even happened and they weren't even born at the time! So what gives them the right to say it never happened? Almost every surviving Jew or victim of the Nazis who lived at the time, says that it actually happened. These victims even have tatooes giving them a prisioner number.
So to say that the Holocaust wasn't real is just plain stupid.

For all of you Holocaust denyers out there, I am going to try and open your eyes to the truth. I can't help you if you can't accept the truth! It is documented, it is proven, it is historical, and it is a prestigeously reliable source.

Go here for everything there is to know about the Holocaust:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html

It even includes a Holocaust denyers section to help you skeptics understand what lead up to or caused for the Holocaust to happen.

[HappyBull]

At 7/22/04 08:50 PM, kangaroo_court wrote: If you make an "anti-Semitic" remark, such as denying the Holocaust, you might be extradicted to Israel where you will be assuredly tortured and sentenced by a completely foreign jury.

I don't think Israel would try to extradite you for that, unless, you've commited a serious crime in Israel and got away with it and how would the Israeli Government know that you've denyed the Holocaust even though it is true when you are 2,000 miles away across the Atlantic?

[1Shot-Paddy]

fuck up alpha we didn't deny the holocaust you dickhead. The guy is just letting us know that a UN law will extradite people to Israel if they say something bad about Jews.

[secondmessiah]

I don't even need to see the source here. If you do something that isn't a crime where you did it, then you cannot be extradited. Isreal has a fair court system based on Britains and our own.

Also, its all about jurisdiction. If you kill someone in New York, you are going to be tried in New York unless its a federal crime or your lawyor requests a change of venue (for a crime so famous that the jury pool is tainted- for example the Federal Building bombing, almost no one in that city would not have a prejudice against the accused.)

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

Americans here don't need to worry. This extradition thing only applies in EU countries, so it's us Brits that need to be worried. It's typical of the EU, they have no respect for our independence. And it's typical of this weak government to just cave into EU demands. If there was ever (another) reason for us to pull out, this would be it.

[HappyBull]

At 7/24/04 08:07 AM, 1Shot-Paddy wrote: fuck up alpha we didn't deny the holocaust you dickhead. The guy is just letting us know that a UN law will extradite people to Israel if they say something bad about Jews.

Oh, my bad.

[Metal69hed]

Woah woah woah...

What did the EU truly say Razor14?

Did it have anything to do with this: This ridiculous rumor can somehow be related to the increase in violence against Jews in Europe. I remember two months ago from the AP that the EU was stating in a conference that they need to somehow discourage this violence from happening again, they held this conference after Jewish tombstones in France had spray-painted swastikas on their face.

[resignedfromtheworld]

At 7/22/04 11:05 PM, Metal69hed wrote: "Might as well lock us away for saying Lincoln didn't chop down that cherry tree."

That was Washington you edjit.

I say again, DIDN"T. It would be like calling me an "edjit" for saying Lincoln DIDN'T CHOP DOWN that cherry tree.

[The-Last-Cynic]

At 7/24/04 06:35 AM, JackOfShadow wrote: Denying the holocaust (in some countries) is like burning the country's flag. It's against the beliefs the country stands for. Shouldn't a man saying that whites are superior and all blacks must be enslaved be judged for expressing such stupid beliefs?

Now, I'm a civil libertarian so you can disregard this if you want. But...If by judged you mean tried and punished...HELL NO, people have a right to be ignorant as long as they're not hurting anyone. Why should they, the law shouldn't say one belief is better than the other belief. So while it's very stupid to think that the holocaust never happened, it should be protected.

God gave us free will for a good reason.

[AapoJoki]

I've heard that it's illegal in Germany to say that the Holocaust never happened because of the country's infamous nazi-history.