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Thanks for clearing everything up.

Everything you have stated is true, but sadly public schools will continue to cater to the students as prospective workers and laborers, instead of human beings.

At 7/24/04 04:54 PM, Reform wrote: Everything you have stated is true, but sadly public schools will continue to cater to the students as prospective workers and laborers, instead of human beings.

Meh. Not the schools that have in them the higher class of people. They're then FORCED to view the students as young men and women, and to let them express their views. People from the lower working classes* dont reallt care about politics, especially not teenagers. You can't really argue with me there. Maybe when they get a bit older, but not as teenagers. However, the more Middle class, and brighter students, who realise and/or get involved in Policis rarely like to be silenced.

On a personal note, my school is very good at this. It's an all-boys school, and is the best for miles around, and the teachers treat us like young men, and as a result, we grow up maturer. They also allow us to express our views in a mature manner because if we didn't, we'd force them to allow us. They can't NOT treat the students as young adults, and as human beings, because the students demand the respect etc. I don't know, maybe its different in America, but English schools, even the worse ones, and not elitist almost-private-schools like mine allow the students to express themselves.

*Generalisation Alert!

Throughout the public schools in my city (...and most likely the nation), students aren't turning a blind eye to their surroundings. It is just that the vast bulk of these kids are rather naive, as they have to be told what to believe and told follow without scrutiny. Without guidance and coersion, they have no political identity. It seems that the schools are filled with mindless drones spouting generic nonsense that are keen on hopping bandwagons.

There are plenty who break this mold, but not enough.

At 7/24/04 05:24 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 7/24/04 04:54 PM, Reform wrote:

People from the lower working classes* dont reallt care about politics, especially not teenagers. You can't really argue with me there. Maybe when they get a bit older, but not as teenagers. However, the more Middle class, and brighter students, who realise and/or get involved in Policis rarely like to be silenced.

ok im a teen and i care alot about politics yes i can argue thier. you my friend are an eliteist.

middle class and brighter students

i scored 98 in math and got the highest in science
im must not be bright!!!!

so lower class can't care about politics and they can't be teenagers????

god forbid that the next generation cares about what a shit hole this country has become.

i guess the more money youhave the smarter you are.

I went to a highschool that actually promoted students to take an interest in politics..

However I have to agree that school really isn't the place to be demonstrating your views. Look, your teachers have a job to do and a certain amount of info. to teach you. At the highschool level, There is absolutely NOTHING you can do about shit!! The most you can do is convience your parents to vote your way. Guess what? Take that and be happy instead of wasting all of your engery running around campus protesting Bush.. ( who I don't like btw)

These are the last years of your life that are completely free. When you get to college everything changes. Unless your parents decide to enable you by paving your way..... ( like Bush's folks did) You should enjoy this freedom while you can. and yes I did say freedom...... You may think just becasue you have a curfue and can't go everywhere you want your not free, but compare that to what your parents go through.

Although imy highschool wasn't exactly private ( I didn't have to pay, ) It was a Music Academy... Filled with very liberal Parents/teachers and Administrators. We even had a conselor led school walk out for an anti-war protest..

Do you know what that got us?? A wasted afternoon and a crumby slice of pizza.

At 7/24/04 04:54 PM, Reform wrote: Thanks for clearing everything up.

Everything you have stated is true, but sadly public schools will continue to cater to the students as prospective workers and laborers, instead of human beings.

You know what Reform, you don't what your talking about. Public school although not perfect have actually done a pretty good job at preparing students for college. Guess what, if those students don't want to step- up to the plate and get their shit done then it's their fault. (those are the ones who become laborers and workers) I knwo your 14 and you think you know everything, but trust me as a college student that the majority of college studenst come from public schools. In fact, most scholarships and grants are caterd for public school students.

In America, school isn't even that hard. If your quiet and do your homework you can get at least a B or a C..... good enough to go to most universities. I gaurentee you that everyday it is drilled into their heads to do well and go to college. It aint up to the school district to give these kids inicutive okay. So don't sit there and pancy about how "disadvantaged" public school studnets are. I watched too many of my friends waste my mothers tax money by blowing off their education becasue they felt they were a "victim" os the public school system. Guess what, the kids who shut up and do someting are all in college right now and abotu to start there lives....

yes class sit down shut up and take it up the ass

At 7/24/04 06:13 PM, Devaint_Lucifer wrote:

At 7/24/04 05:24 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 7/24/04 04:54 PM, Reform wrote:

People from the lower working classes* dont reallt care about politics, especially not teenagers. You can't really argue with me there. Maybe when they get a bit older, but not as teenagers. However, the more Middle class, and brighter students, who realise and/or get involved in Policis rarely like to be silenced.

ok im a teen and i care alot about politics yes i can argue thier. you my friend are an eliteist.

middle class and brighter students

i scored 98 in math and got the highest in science
im must not be bright!!!!

so lower class can't care about politics and they can't be teenagers????

god forbid that the next generation cares about what a shit hole this country has become.

i guess the more money youhave the smarter you are.

I don't think he was saying that lower class people are stupid. You were probably included when he said brighter. But it is very true that middle class students and up have more time to work on tehir schooling than the poorer students. At least a quarter of my school were too busy trying to work in order to pay for clothes, and though of school as something that gives them an excuse to get away from work. Many of these students had to work just so theri families could eat most everyday. There were very intelligetn kids I saw being sucked into this black hole of poverty. Still, the lower class because of outside stresses and jobs they were essentially stopped from going to college before high school even started.

At 7/24/04 06:34 PM, ryoshi100 wrote: You know what Reform, you don't what your talking about. Public school although not perfect have actually done a pretty good job at preparing students for college. Guess what, if those students don't want to step- up to the plate and get their shit done then it's their fault. (those are the ones who become laborers and workers) I knwo your 14 and you think you know everything, but trust me as a college student that the majority of college studenst come from public schools. In fact, most scholarships and grants are caterd for public school students.

Well, you might have just been in a extraordinary school then. My school was given some of the best scores for teaching and student knowledge in the state, yet it had an abismal 30% to college rate. The teachers may have been teaching for college, but the school catered to the lowest common dfenominator, Graduation. I saw the school essentially give a kid a free junior year because he didn't feel like coming. Whereas I've seen the intelligent college students take dives and the school does nothing. They feel that if the student graduates, they aren't worth the school's time.

In America, school isn't even that hard. If your quiet and do your homework you can get at least a B or a C..... good enough to go to most universities.

C average good enough to go to most Universities? That's VERY debatable. Though it is true that if you just do all of the homework you can get a C out of any class.

This brings up something new to the equation: society. The students who don't try, do not slack off because they feel they're victimized. They slack off because society doesn't put any cutural importance on being educated. Yes society prized those who are rich, yet they seem to overlook that most of the rich people got there by being educated and working hard. Maybe if society cared about getting into college, students in high school would try harder.

(If you want a blatant example of society disregarding education, look at the DEW U commercials... They're almost insulting to us who are in college.)

At 7/24/04 10:03 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

In America, school isn't even that hard. If your quiet and do your homework you can get at least a B or a C..... good enough to go to most universities.

C average good enough to go to most Universities? That's VERY debatable. Though it is true that if you just do all of the homework you can get a C out of any class.

Ive seen many a kid go to college with a C average.. in fact in order to get a CAl Grant all you need is a 2.0
( and yes I mean a university)

... Look man, you can sit their and blame society for your classmats slacking off if you want, but in the long run.. those escuses dont mean shit when you gotta make a living.
Sometimes, you suck it up and do what you have to do...

Who is a part of the problem, Parents who don't push their kids. ( not eccesively of course) But I'll be damn, too many of these bastards are making shit grades and still have privileges like a car and money for the weekend. A lot of kids (who go to public school as well) don't ever have to work and earn anything... Everything is given to them and thats bull.

btw, just becasue a kid goes to public school doesn't make his family necessarily poor. I even know people who live in the lower class who can buy their kid a car if they saved for a few months..

ryoshi im trying to get a job to fix our bathroom.

i try in school. no matter how much i hate the principles in thier

Sometimes the principles that are being taught are right. Have you ever had an argument with your parents, because they had a different opinion that you and/or told you to do something you didn't want to for X reason? Well, often times they are right and hindsight is indeed 20/20. Sometimes what you may not agree with now is shown in a different light later on down the road. I am not calling anyone immature but we ALL (including myself) need to grow and develope alot more before we pass judgements on alot of things.

I agree completely with Spookshow. It's just like growing up and your parents telling you this and that, of course you reject it as it comes with that time of youth. But later on you come to learn that they were right. It's the same learning experiance as what is being debated about here.

At 7/26/04 02:20 AM, Devaint_Lucifer wrote: ryoshi im trying to get a job to fix our bathroom.

i try in school. no matter how much i hate the principles in thier

what principles are you really taught in school??
Be quiet, do your work, don't cause too much troubl;e and you'll be fine??

Is it the principles you don't like or the rules/restrictions??

I think it's good that your getting a job. I think that having a job will actually teach you a little charactor, (maybe what you learn from the workforce will teach you to appreciate public schools)
Look man, My grandmother would have killed to have the opportunities that todays kids have... so why do't you quit looking for escuses and complaining and suck it up..... At least you live in a country where everyone can have an education. You have nothing to whine about dear... "principles" (wtf)

Why don't you go to school in Uganda and then bitch about principles

Just imagine what the generation will have after us...

I can see it now...

WTF!!! NO HOVERCARS!!! NO (insert random futuristic electronic device here)!!! HOW COULD YOU LIVE!!!

We have so much more than they did. You (and I) have much to learn and many more years to go before we know much, if anything. Didn't someone say: For as much as you know in one career you know nothing? or Learning everything about something, only teaches you how much you don't know?