Homosexuality As Genetics

[Xion-Fox]

Now, personally as being gay, its hard to take a nonbiased stand point on this subject however, what I have learned I feel needs to be shared.

In general homosexuality is most largely atributed to a choice. On a subconcious level there appears to be direct corelation with the choice and that of enviromental influences.

However, on the same note you can consider the fact that the area of the brain that an individual has to control thier sexual orientation is small and almost completely invisible.

In tests of twins it was shown that there was a 40% 50% ratio, bisexuality included. This looks to be a circumstance to say that it isn't genetic is interpetable. Since genetics dictates recessive genes and that not all individuals, even twins, will share the EXACT same genetic code it is absurd to ignore that. If one twin will obtain a certain recesive gene the other will not, ie: Colour Blindness, Balding.

Homosexuality though can potentially be atributed to both enviromental factors and genetics. It could be that all individuals have the capacity to be homosexual yet certain enviromental factors must be obtained for the thought and acceptance there of to develope.

Truly, almost all males have some form of homosexual fantasy. But it is more fround upon and thus some people take it more seriously than others.

Ultimately I guess homosexuality is a mystery to all.

[thekinman]

I, personally, think its a choice. a subconcious one, maybe, but I dont believe a persons orientation can be decided by genetics.

[The-Deadly-Spoon]

I believe it lies in the deepest part of the subconcious psyche, because sexual energies are at the foundation of all emotions.
But then again, everything about a human being has its roots in genetics.

[36noir]

I don't believe it's genetic. I know people who can look far back into the family history and there were no gays. You can say "it may skip so many generations" but I honestly don't believe that with homosexuality. I'd believe it would have to have more with brain structure. It's like prefering the colour green over all others. I know it's not exactly the greatest comparison but the point is that it's based on preference.

I have no idea and I'm only sporting theories. I don't think anyone can honestly say what makes a person homosexual.

[RuthlessBastard]

One of my friends and I were having this exact same discussion in our Religion class a few months ago. He's a biology/evolution buff and he personally believed, from what he had read in many articles, that homosexuality was nature's way of controlling the world's population. Since the Earth has already reached its carrying capacity, he explained to me that nature gave many people the tendency of homosexuality in their genes in order to prevent them from reproducing.

I, myself, really have no stance as of now. I think that it will take a long time before we know for sure.

[thereallurch]

I believe it is partly environmental and partly subconscious decision.

Homosexuality is picking up just as our society is really pushing hard away from Judeo-Christian values in part because now people are pressuring people to just accept it. A century ago a man may have had homosexual desires just like a man now, but he certainly would not be public about it like now at the least. Most likely he would just hide it entirely. About half of my female friends are bisexual. (Guys, that is not the great thing it may sound like trust me.) The ones that are have one thing in common. For whatever reason, be it an abundance of sibling sor parents who just don't care or something else, they are almost all lacking attention from others and this is one way to get it. I don't think they think through that consciously, but among that sample there is a definite strong correlation. Also, one of them turned homosexual because a man had abused her in the past.

I do believe it is entirely a choice BUT I also believe it is usually a subconscious one biased by pressures from society to stand out and be different or even just the pressure to be more accepting.

[Darklilangel23]

homosexuality cant always be a choice look at porn u think those girls want to be bi sexual and do stuff with other women no they get paid to

same for most people

i know a guy who was a whore to women always fucking girls left and right

one day a girl broke his heart and he went gay

so it cant be in the genes and ur destined to be gay

plus gay exists in nature maybe its natures way or thinning the herd

[Gunter45]

I find it strange (okay, not really strange) that there are several people with men kissing, but none with a man and a woman kissing. Honestly, I think having either is disgusting, as that is a fundamentally private act between two people and showcasing it is pretty sick.

[36noir]

At 7/17/04 03:23 PM, Darklilangel23 wrote: homosexuality cant always be a choice look at porn u think those girls want to be bi sexual and do stuff with other women no they get paid to

same for most people

i know a guy who was a whore to women always fucking girls left and right

one day a girl broke his heart and he went gay

so it cant be in the genes and ur destined to be gay

plus gay exists in nature maybe its natures way or thinning the herd

Wow. He just went gay? Maybe that's why he was screwing girls left and right, trying to preserve hetrosexuality? I was somewhat the same way.

[36noir]

At 7/17/04 03:39 PM, Gunter45 wrote: I find it strange (okay, not really strange) that there are several people with men kissing, but none with a man and a woman kissing. Honestly, I think having either is disgusting, as that is a fundamentally private act between two people and showcasing it is pretty sick.

I also detest PDA with a passion, but it's one of those "get over it" situations. ;)

[SpecialK13]

Like everyone else here, I too think it is sub concious.

[Xion-Fox]

'And low the great fox raises his paws and speaks. "It is apparent my knowledge was miscommunicated. thus I shal communicate it properly."

Okay I'm not saying one way or another about things. I'll not argue that its enviromental to an extreme. But there is no discounting certain descrepincies and constincies in the concepts of genetics being the reason for homosexuality.

Wether or not family history shows homosexuality it doesn't neccisarily mean that its not there. Consider for example no one in my family is gay besides me and a deceased great uncle.

Look at the family structure and societal influences. Consider that it could not so much be that its a choice as its a life style being frowned upon. As someone said earlier if its shunned and frowned upon enough people will not exibit simply for acceptance (an unfortunate down fall towards self actualization).

For example, I've tried hetro and homosexual relations and I like guys. Why? I dunno, just do. It could be becuase I had a miserable relationship with my father but I no longer do. Therefore, no longer do I seek a father figure in my mates. Ignored, far from it. I made myslef the center of attention.

Keep in mind that most of the homosexual populace is either old or young. Most of the people gay between the ages of 16 - 30 is simply confused. They're trying to justify certain apitites and cravings or behaviours and gain acceptance. What's the easiest way? I'm gay.

But if this concept exists in pretty much every god damned male on the planet its hard to refute it as not having a founding in genetics.

Like with many animals its the surrounding enviromental influences that activate certain alterations during developement. So basically its foundings are potentially genetic while that gene or adaptation may remain dormant until certain psychological influences are recieved.

In some cases. Personally even when I was like 6 I remember watching all the boys play games and kinda gave the chicks the cold shoulder except for a couple. I don't think at 6 years old when there's no concept of what homosexuality is and your exibiting signs of it... well.

*shrug*

In a nut shell. Homosexuality is present in almost all males in the human species and that of others. The genetic adaptation of psychological defense might not kick in unless certain enviromental/psychological conditions are met. Upon this point its the persons choice to accept it or not. To not do so though has some serious draw acks such as depression, anxst and self loathing. Dangers of making yourself unactractive come into play.