At 3/22/01 12:53 PM, Perdix wrote:
At 3/21/01 11:17 PM, P-Chan wrote:
When thinking about the death penalty, here's a set of points to think about...That is irrelevant. You should not use the death penalty, or jail sentences with the intent to deter other people from commiting crimes. When you use them as deterrents you are no longer punishing them for their crimes, but for using them as an example, that should not be done. The fact that there is a punishment of any kind for a given crime should be the only deterrent.
-It doesn't work as an effective deterent
It would be much appreciated if you could elaborate on that point.
-it costs more than life-imprisonment when you take account of the appealstrue
-there is always the risk of killing an innocent persontrue, but that is why there is an appeals system.
Appeals cost a helluva lot. And our appeal system isn't perfect.
Here's an old quote I used in a previous post, I have no idea if it's still accurate. ^_^
Did you know that 350 people convicted of capital crimes in the USA between 1900 and 1985 were innocent of the crimes charged? Some of these prisoners escaped execution by minutes, but 23 were actually executed.
23 isn't very much? Maybe. But realize that these people are only the ones who were saved....
Study 2: A US Congressional report listed 48 condemned men who had been freed from death row since 1972. The report blamed inadequate legal safeguards to prevent wrongful executions and listed numerous inherent flaws in the criminal justice system. The report concluded: "Judging by past experience, a substantial number of death row inmates are indeed innocent, and there is a high risk that some of them will be executed."
-I don't believe in this sort of revenge. As long as the offender is out of society's way (Eg. Life imprisonment) I'm happy.Justice should be seperated from revenge. The punishment for a crime, whether it be the death penalty or imprisonment should be either to get the criminal out of society, or to allow them to know that that their actions do have retributions (this case is for non-life term senteces)
There can be utility from the death penalty, by the simple reason you are getting rid of an intolerable part of society.
You're right Perdix. Eliminating a person is still a utility. I made a mistake. What I should have said is that... a prison sentence would give more utility than an execution would. This is because...
A) the effects would be the same (elimination of an individual)
B) there would be lower costs and less problems involved when you use imprisonment.
It's good that you mentioned that comment because it got me thinking about what utility really is. Afterall people like executions right? Executions would happen if there was no utility involved!
I'm wondering could "revenge" itself be a utility? Could this be feeding some desire in us?
I'm sure it makes people feel good knowing that a so-called "evil person" was killed for his "evil acts". I mean even if there are BETTER alternatives out there, there's probably nothing as satisfying as knowing you have actually destroyed a man's life. Literally. It sounds so animalistic and brutal to me... but I guess these executions have some purpose afterall! ^_^
We all love it when our favorite wrestler beats down on our least favorite wrestler. Maybe this is no different... ^_^