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At 7/27/06 10:19 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Nope... According to me and pretty much everyone else the AL has a better rotation than the Mets... except for the Yanks. But if the Mets were to face the Tigers, Red Sox, White Sox, Angels or the Twins the AL would have a huge advantage in pitching. In fact out of those five teams the one with the weakest pitching has been the Red Sox (though I hate admitting it) even though the Sox have a pretty good bullpen... To make a long story short the Mets will probably make the WS and then go on to lose to whoever represents the AL.

How can you say that? Who are the Mets top 3?

The Yankees top 3 are Wang, Mussina, and Johnson, maybe in that order. Mets please.

At 7/27/06 10:43 PM, GamesCool wrote:

How can you say that? Who are the Mets top 3?

The Yankees top 3 are Wang, Mussina, and Johnson, maybe in that order. Mets please.

Pedro Martinez, Tom Glavine and Orlando Hernandez.,.. And before taking shots at El Duque look at his postseason record and you'll see he steps his game up when it matters.,,, While the other two have gotten it done in the postseason before and I can't say the same for Mussina and Wang.

At 7/27/06 10:49 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Pedro Martinez, Tom Glavine and Orlando Hernandez.,.. And before taking shots at El Duque look at his postseason record and you'll see he steps his game up when it matters.,,, While the other two have gotten it done in the postseason before and I can't say the same for Mussina and Wang.

OK. Lets start with Pedro. No one knows how he's going to be when he gets back. He's had like a million things. He's really a toss up.

Tom Glavine. He's getting old. He's having trouble getting far into the game, and has been struggling.

So right there you have two problems. I just can't see the Mets going far if they don't get another starter. Their top 3 is just so weak.

At 7/27/06 10:57 PM, GamesCool wrote:

OK. Lets start with Pedro. No one knows how he's going to be when he gets back. He's had like a million things. He's really a toss up.

He's pitching tomorrow against the Braves and he'll go up against Horacio Ramirez.

Tom Glavine. He's getting old. He's having trouble getting far into the game, and has been struggling.

He's 11-4... If that's struggling, I wouldn't mind having him on the Red Sox

So right there you have two problems. I just can't see the Mets going far if they don't get another starter. Their top 3 is just so weak...

Ask anyone else and they'll tell you (Even Yankee fans) when it comes to AL contenders the Yanks have the weakest starting pitching.

At 7/27/06 11:13 PM, pepeatumi wrote: He's pitching tomorrow against the Braves and he'll go up against Horacio Ramirez.

Well, that will be his true test :)

He's 11-4... If that's struggling, I wouldn't mind having him on the Red Sox

Right, but his last few starts havn't been good.

Ask anyone else and they'll tell you (Even Yankee fans) when it comes to AL contenders the Yanks have the weakest starting pitching.

That's not true at ALL. Wang: 11 wins, Mussina: 12 wins, Johnson: 11 wins
Those are superb records.

At 7/27/06 11:20 PM, GamesCool wrote:

Ask anyone else and they'll tell you (Even Yankee fans) when it comes to AL contenders the Yanks have the weakest starting pitching.

That's not true at ALL. Wang: 11 wins, Mussina: 12 wins, Johnson: 11 wins
Those are superb records.

Wang has been the Yanks most consistent pitcher. Moose started hoy but cooled down a bit later and Johnson is just to old to be dependable, his 11 wins don't tell the whole story his Fastball isn't as good as it once was and the Slider has lost a lot its bite.

At 7/27/06 11:25 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Wang has been the Yanks most consistent pitcher. Moose started hoy but cooled down a bit later and Johnson is just to old to be dependable, his 11 wins don't tell the whole story his Fastball isn't as good as it once was and the Slider has lost a lot its bite.

I agree with that.

The only thing is, Johnson has been pitching better as of late because he's got the hang of pitching smart instead of just trying to fire it past the hitters which is what he was trying to do in the begining of the season and it just wasn't working.

A's win 5-2 against the Blue Jays. Joe Blanton started and allowed 2ER in 7 innings pitced, winning his 11. Jay Payton had a solo homerun to break out of his minislump.Chavez had 2RBI and Scutaro 1 as well. Huston Street got his 21st save too

At 7/27/06 09:01 PM, GamesCool wrote: lol. Shit rotation? There "shit rotation" of wang, johnson and Mussina can stack up to any top 3 in the MLB, which is all that matters for the playoffs. Middle relief isn't great, but Proctor isn't bad, farnsworth either. And of course our closer is the best in the league.

Aging hitters? A-Rod, Melky, Cano, Jeter They aren't old at all.

NYY have an ok rotation, but not the best. Wang can barely streak anyone out even when he is hot. RJ can be dominant, but he is not consistant. In other words: he can be beaten by anyone if it is not his day. Mussina is good this year, but I think that they are still a few namly Schilling, Santana, Halladay, Zito...are slighhtly better. If your NYY want to go far in the playoffs, they have to rely on the offense rather than the defense.

At 7/27/06 11:20 PM, GamesCool wrote:

At 7/27/06 11:13 PM, pepeatumi wrote: He's pitching tomorrow against the Braves and he'll go up against Horacio Ramirez.

Well, that will be his true test :)

He's 11-4... If that's struggling, I wouldn't mind having him on the Red Sox

That's not true at ALL. Wang: 11 wins, Mussina: 12 wins, Johnson: 11 wins
Those are superb records.

Would RJ reach 10 wins if the Yanks did not score an average of 5+ runs per game when he pitches? No. As a matter of fact, like Beckett who is 13-5 with an ERA of 4.77, RJ must thank his teammates to support him, he and Beckett are probably the two pitchers who have been supported the most so far in the season. Sure Wang is 11-4, but as I stated, he is not a guy who can streak batters, that is why he often gets roughed up when he is in a jam. I know that you like NYy, but your rotation is certainly not the best, not even one of the best.

Hey I'm a cardinals fan myself, but really i just enjoy watching the game. (although it is nice to win!)

The first big name to be moved is... Carlos Lee.

The Milwaukee Brewers are trading slugger Carlos Lee to the Texas Rangers as part of a multiplayer deal, ESPN.com learned Friday.

The Brewers are sending Lee, minor league outfield prospect Nelson Cruz to the Rangers for relief pitcher Francisco Cordero and outfielders Kevin Mench and Laynce Nix.

Lee was the Brewers' team leader with 28 home runs and 81 RBI.

Cordero started the season as the Rangers' closer, but was replaced by Akinori Otsuka in late April after blowing three saves.

Both teams are checking for any medical issues before consummating the deal.

The Rangers are currently two games behind the Athletics in the American League West.

Doesn't really make much sense for the Rangers its not like they needed hitting.

Loaize starts today, I would reather have Saarloos but thats just me

At 7/28/06 03:21 PM, Crashman wrote: Loaize starts today, I would reather have Saarloos but thats just me

The result was another lossssss since he sucks BIG time. As I told you, do not blame anyone but your manager since he is the moron who allowed Loaiza to start every time. And oh yea, the Angels are back on top. Sure we will not let them keep on winning, but letting guys like Loaiza and Komine start will not help you catching up. :P

Our game against the Angels turned ugly in the seventh inning which we gave up 6 tuns. I thought that Francona would pull Lester out after 6 innings. He was not at his best level despite giving up just 1 ER in 6 innings. The result was that he was giving up hits all match long. If our manager could see it a bit earlier and pull him out before the damage was done, we could have won the game. >:( Timlin and Papelbon had rested a long time before the series and we should have enough enegies to finish the last 3 innings. Our manager's mistake caused us the game and it was critical at this point.I am not surprised that NYY pulled with 1/2 game behind, Wang is getting everyone ground out lately. (It is a shame that the best Chinese pitcher is pitching for the devils since I am Chinese too.) Anyway, Beckett starts tonight, he will probably shut out the Angels if he wants to beat Jered Weaver. Weaver is SICK. :P

At 7/29/06 05:26 AM, Dream_of_Duke wrote: The result was another lossssss since he sucks BIG time.

You don't need to comment on another team each and everytime then just to double post.

:As I told you, do not blame anyone but your manager since he is the moron who allowed Loaiza to start every time

Does it seem like I care? I can't tell him what to do.

. And oh yea, the Angels are back on top. Sure we will not let them keep on winning,

By a half game? Oh shit, look whos lead is a half game too

but letting guys like Loaiza and Komine start will not help you catching up. :P

Now can you tell me who Komine is? Because I checked his stats on MLB.com and I got: There are no statistical data available for this Player.

Zito starts today at a 1:05 game. 3 hours until then, im glad its not at 7

The Angles lost to the Red Sox but Jered Weaver didn't lose so he's still unbeaten in his ML career. The Red Sox won in the 11th inning on a walk-off hit by.... I'll let everyone here take a guess (Hint: He's a DH).

And in the Bronx Randy Johnson once again stunk it up... Unit allowed 6 runs (3 earned) in just 3 innings of work. They're only in the 4th inning but the D'Rays are leading 8-4.

In a bit of trade news the Braves got reliever Danny Baez from the Dodgers for infielder Wilson Betemit.

Zito got roughed up in the 1st but calmed down afterwards. He got his 11th win and first place in the division again

At 7/29/06 05:32 PM, pepeatumi wrote: In a bit of trade news the Braves got reliever Danny Baez from the Dodgers for infielder Wilson Betemit.

You forgot to mention they gave up Willy Aybar

Baez was struggling, and Aybar was all over the place. Both Betemit and Aybar will be solid players in the future, but I think Betemit will be better. The trade also helps out the Dodger defensive status.

At 7/29/06 05:32 PM, pepeatumi wrote: The Angles lost to the Red Sox but Jered Weaver didn't lose so he's still unbeaten in his ML career. The Red Sox won in the 11th inning on a walk-off hit by.... I'll let everyone here take a guess (Hint: He's a DH).
And in the Bronx Randy Johnson once again stunk it up... Unit allowed 6 runs (3 earned) in just 3 innings of work. They're only in the 4th inning but the D'Rays are leading 8-4.
In a bit of trade news the Braves got reliever Danny Baez from the Dodgers for infielder Wilson Betemit.

NYY's game against the D-Rays turned ugly last night as the Yankees were raped and lost 6-19. :D Oh yea, Big Papi was the hero again as he hit a game winning single with 2 outs in the eleventh inning. :) As a result, we are now leading 1.5 games. I am not expecting the D-Rays to take the series, all we need to do is to take the series from the Angels so that we can at least keep our lead. Fortunatey, we have Schilling who can do it for us. Of course, it will be an extra bonus for us if TB can take the series from NYY. We will see tomorrow. :P

At 7/29/06 07:05 PM, Crashman wrote: Zito got roughed up in the 1st but calmed down afterwards. He got his 11th win and first place in the division again

I thought that Zito was going to lay an big egg like he did in his season debut against NYY. Anyway, now you people are back on top with the smallest margin --- 0.5 game. It was no surprise that you did not know who Komine was since he is nobody. But the fact is that he is going to start for your guys this afternoon and get killed. Anyway, we will have the Angels beaten and you can have your tiny lead for 1 more day. :P

Well the Yankees made a deal (maybe)... Shocking I know.

The Philadelphia Phillies and New York Yankees have a tentative deal to send Phillies right fiedler Bobby Abreu and pitcher Cory Lidle to New York ESPN.com's Jayson Stark and ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reported Sunday.

Stark reported the Yankees will send 18-year-old minor-league shrotstop C.J. Henry -- their No. 1 pick in 2005 -- and 27-year-old left-handed reliever Matt Smith. The Phillies will also pick one other minor-leauge player from an agreed-upon list, while the Yankees will take on responsibility for Abreu and Lidle's contracts. Abreu is owed $15 million for 2007 alone.

Abreu is hitting .277 with 8 home runs and 65 RBI in 99 games. He has a career batting average of .301 with 198 home runs and 841 RBI over 10 seasons.

Lidle, a right-hander, is 8-7 with a 4.74 ERA in 21 starts in 2006. In eight seasons he has a career mark of 78-69 with a 4.54 ERA.

Abreu was in the Phillies' starting lineup Sunday but was pulled for Shane Victorino 10 minutes before their game with the Florida Marlins.

So there you have it Yankee fans... Cory Lidle is on his way to save your rotation.

In other news for the Phillies, the Chase Utley watch continues. In that game with the Marlins, Utley has just doubled in the bottom of the 4th to run his hit streak to 30 games. Should he get a hit in each the next 27 games he plays, he will break Joe DiMaggio's long standing record of 56 games. It's a difficult task and probably THE hardest record to break. Of course, they said the same thing about Roger Maris' 61 home runs.

At 7/30/06 05:47 AM, Dream_of_Duke wrote: Anyway, now you people are back on top with the smallest margin --- 0.5 game.

You are a fucking idiot, you still double post only 10 minutes later. Combine both of them next time. No one cares about your commentary. Look whos talking anyways who was only a half game back on you guys yesterday? Just wait till the end of the season, the Sox will crash and burn like they always do.

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We traded more prospects today, this time for Bobby Abreu & Cory Lidle. It was like the 3rd inning of the Yankees-DRays game and all of the sudden the announcers are like "WE'VE RECIEVED WORD THE YANKEES HAVE TRADED FOR BOBBY ABREU :D" and I was like "...AWW AWW, $18 MILLION DOLLARS NEXT YEAR, AWW".

Not only is that a marginal upgrade, it causes problems now and for next year. Now we have Matsui coming back to play Left Field, we have Damon in CF, and then it's Abreu/Melky/Bernie in RF, with Bernie (for some reason) seeing the least playing time, mainly DHing and pinch-hitting, which Torre said that he was fine with, but of course i'm not content with Bernie pinch-hitting for me. >:( This pretty much signals one way or the other that Sheffield isn't going to get his option picked up next year. Either that or they're going to spurn Abreu and not pick up his $18 million option, and instead go for the $2 million buyout.

I had thought we just traded away Jesus Montero, but I breathed a sigh of relief when I read Jesus Sanchez. Montero is one of our best prospects.

Funny that we recently got Sal Fasano from the Phils and now we get 2 more from them. :P

I like the Lidle trade though, he's won his last five and has just been getting better and better, and has almost 100 strikeouts. He'll make a good #4 behind Chien-Ming Wang and in front of Jaret Wright.

At 7/30/06 02:51 PM, ThePunisher52 wrote: In other news for the Phillies, the Chase Utley watch continues. In that game with the Marlins, Utley has just doubled in the bottom of the 4th to run his hit streak to 30 games.

What hitting streak? I mean if you listen to the post-game interviews with Utley, he acknowledges no streak, and neither will I.

At 7/30/06 04:42 PM, -Buddhist- wrote: We traded more prospects today, this time for Bobby Abreu & Cory Lidle.
"...AWW AWW, $18 MILLION DOLLARS NEXT YEAR, AWW".

Well, if anyone was going to pick up his contract it would've been The Boss.

Not only is that a marginal upgrade, it causes problems now and for next year. Now we have Matsui coming back to play Left Field, we have Damon in CF, and then it's Abreu/Melky/Bernie in RF, with Bernie (for some reason) seeing the least playing time

Meh, maybe because Bernie is starting get up there in age? Melky is still young and has plenty of time ahead of him, so I don't see why he can't be the rotational fielder when one of the others sits out.

This pretty much signals one way or the other that Sheffield isn't going to get his option picked up next year. Either that or they're going to spurn Abreu and not pick up his $18 million option, and instead go for the $2 million buyout.

I doubt that. I think they gave up too much to throw away Abreu, who has shown to be very consistent.

Funny that we recently got Sal Fasano from the Phils and now we get 2 more from them. :P

Sal looks funny now after getting rid of the handlebars in his mustache.

I like the Lidle trade though, he's won his last five and has just been getting better and better, and has almost 100 strikeouts. He'll make a good #4 behind Chien-Ming Wang and in front of Jaret Wright.

Here's hoping the Yanks don't burn him out before season's end. If Johnson continues his ways and if the rest of the rotation starts to slump there'll be plenty of reasons why they would want to keep Lidle in there, if only to give the relievers some rest.

So it's pretty evident that the Phils are sellers here, not that I doubted it one bit. However, I didn't know how Gillick would've handled this team come trade deadline. I know how dumbass Ed Wade would've (traded away prospects for a crap reliever). David Bell left for Milwaukee just a few days ago, and now Abreu and Lidle are gone. Even though I didn't care much for how Bobby refused to sell out to make a defensive play, I'll probably miss his bat and OBP. Lidle was alright, definately not a #1 or 2, but he seems to be effective at times. David Bell irritated me to no end, with his league leading GIDPs last season, although his bat was a little better this year, his defense was still faulty.

Now... to get rid of Pat Burrell and Mike Lieberthal. That's Gillick's next task.

At 7/30/06 05:10 PM, phileeguy wrote: Now... to get rid of Pat Burrell and Mike Lieberthal. That's Gillick's next task.

Lieberthal has been their for soooo long. He is one of the most underappreciated catchers. If Lieberthal goes, thats not the Phillies

Well, Philly has been trying to get rid of Burrell, and the Cardinals are interested in adding him as a batter, which seems like a good idea, but I don't think it'll happen. :|

Dodgers won three games in a row and swept a team, they're still in the NL West hunt. All Colletti has to do is bring in a pitcher like Maddux, or a power hitter like Soriano (though the latter won't likely happen).

Or we could wait 5 years for Clayton Kershaw to come up and pitch.

At 7/30/06 05:13 PM, Crashman wrote: Lieberthal has been their for soooo long. He is one of the most underappreciated catchers. If Lieberthal goes, thats not the Phillies

Lieberthal is often injured, and is getting up there in age which is thougher for a catcher to deal with than a position player. He's not as sharp as he used to be at the plate as he used to be (excluding todays performances) and was signed to a long term deal worth a good chunk of dough. It's not so much that he's underappreciated as he is overpaid.

At 7/30/06 10:25 PM, -Buddhist- wrote: Well, Philly has been trying to get rid of Burrell, and the Cardinals are interested in adding him as a batter, which seems like a good idea, but I don't think it'll happen. :|

Not with the salary that the Card's would have to take up. The thing is with Burrell, a lot was expected of him with the #1 overall pick a while back, and he had about 1 and a half good seasons, and Ed Wade decided to pay him big bucks expecting him to continue his trends. Unfortunately he never did and the Burrell you've seen in the past 2-3 years is the real deal, not the 2002 fluke he had.