Drugs

[Slizor]

Ok I want to know everyones views on the legalisation of drugs. I peresonally think it is peoples right to be allowed them since people can abuse their own body in the way they want, right?

[Perdix]

At 3/21/01 11:25 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Ok I want to know everyones views on the legalisation of drugs. I peresonally think it is peoples right to be allowed them since people can abuse their own body in the way they want, right?

Yup. It is regulated morality. It is a severe breach on people's fundamental right to do to themselves whatever the hell they want, any of the negative aftereffects of drugs (violence, stealing etc) should be punished in their own right.

[Pantomime-Horse]

This is only Roughly Related but here in Australia the Uniting Church are setting up Australia's first legal heroin injecting rooms yet this very same Church runs for parliment & have a policy of outlawing homosexuality, I don't see how they can justify that.

[MysteryClock]

At 3/21/01 11:25 AM, Bugger_all_99 wrote: Ok I want to know everyones views on the legalisation of drugs. I peresonally think it is peoples right to be allowed them since people can abuse their own body in the way they want, right?

well, if drug takers aren't harming anyone else in the process

[Slizor]

The thing is that if drugs were legalised then the cost of drugs would go down, and the "aftereffects" of drugs would lessen

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

Some drugs are already legal... alcohol, tobacco, hell... even caffiene! Marijuana is about as deadly as any cigarette, or liquor! That' beside the point, the point is that some drug should be legal, maybe not those like LSD or other halucinagenics (sorry, I spell like shit...), but I don't if you smoke a joint in your own home. I don't mind you you have a bong under your bed! I don't think that they should allow drug in major public places (such as resturants). I do think we should allow drugs for medical use, and other uses of course.(Hemp can be used to make ropes) As a nation, we have a drugphobia so bad... we won't even give are patients morphine for their pain! I just ask for common sense, people!

[P-Chan]

At 3/22/01 11:27 PM, GameboyCC wrote: Some drugs are already legal... alcohol, tobacco, hell... even caffiene! Marijuana is about as deadly as any cigarette, or liquor!

Actually, it's much less dangerous than either of the drugs you mentioned.

[Radam]

In my opinion, recreational dope of all kinds should be legalized for consumption, possession and sale.

I feel that whatever some sucker decides to do to himself is his business, and if he wants to blow his mind on H or whatever, it's not the obligation of the government to save him from himself. Many people can manage their habits, and those who can't will be lost to contemporary natural selection.

Intent? Possession? Those are pretty weak charges in any type of case, if you ask me. I suppose if you could prove intent to kill or otherwise victimize, that'd be something, but you get the point.

If dope were legalized for sale, we'd soon find it produced by major companies and subject to FDA regulation. You'd know what you were getting, and the toxin levels would be safe (or about as safe as an average cigarette, anyway), which is more than can be said for a lot of dope purchased in the country today. The production in masses by major companies would likely drive prices down from current standard. This means fewer muggings and stereo thefts committed by Mr. Jones. Also, if we want to be really optimistic, it could be a great fledgling business venture for those of us with nothing else going on.

[Radam]

At 3/22/01 11:27 PM, GameboyCC wrote: Some drugs are already legal... alcohol, tobacco, hell... even caffiene! Marijuana is about as deadly as any cigarette, or liquor! That' beside the point, the point is that some drug should be legal, maybe not those like LSD or other halucinagenics (sorry, I spell like shit...), but I don't if you smoke a joint in your own home. I don't mind you you have a bong under your bed! I don't think that they should allow drug in major public places (such as resturants). I do think we should allow drugs for medical use, and other uses of course.(Hemp can be used to make ropes) As a nation, we have a drugphobia so bad... we won't even give are patients morphine for their pain! I just ask for common sense, people!

Actually, at the ER, they gave me morphine for my pain. Your point's still good, though. Sorry.

[Pantomime-Horse]

At 3/23/01 12:57 AM, P-Chan wrote:

At 3/22/01 11:27 PM, GameboyCC wrote: Some drugs are already legal... alcohol, tobacco, hell... even caffiene! Marijuana is about as deadly as any cigarette, or liquor!

Actually, it's much less dangerous than either of the drugs you mentioned.

Actually he's Right, Marijuana does do the same damage as tobacco Although inhaling any kind of smoke will fuck up your insides in time, Marijuana doesn't actually damage the brain in any way but what it does do is put a mucus coating around the brain & this insulates it effectively restricting or blocking electrical neuro impulses from getting in or out of the brain.

[AntiTanner]

Actually he's Right, Marijuana does do the same damage as tobacco Although inhaling any kind of smoke will fuck up your insides in time, Marijuana doesn't actually damage the brain in any way but what it does do is put a mucus coating around the brain & this insulates it effectively restricting or blocking electrical neuro impulses from getting in or out of the brain.

From what i heard, the marijuana smoke is much worse because it is unfiltered. I always figured anything that can make it so you cant function at all is bad stuff, and thats what happened in both my experiences with that drug. I didnt like the fact that people would ask me questions and i would just stare at them, it freaked me out that i couldnt think of anything to say. So in other words, legalise it, tax it, stoned people tend to be a friendly bunch, just dont legalise meth, then my sales would go down.

[Freakapotimus]

At 3/23/01 01:24 AM, Radam wrote: If dope were legalized for sale, we'd soon find it produced by major companies and subject to FDA regulation. You'd know what you were getting, and the toxin levels would be safe (or about as safe as an average cigarette, anyway), which is more than can be said for a lot of dope purchased in the country today. The production in masses by major companies would likely drive prices down from current standard. This means fewer muggings and stereo thefts committed by Mr. Jones. Also, if we want to be really optimistic, it could be a great fledgling business venture for those of us with nothing else going on.

There doesn't seem to be a point in me posting, since you've said just about everything I believe. I also think that with legalizing drugs, they should make it easier for people who have problems and want help to get it. No expensive rehabs, just reasonably-priced help with friendly people. Rehab also shouldn't be forced; people forced to go probably won't benefit from it. And how will people get help for their drug problems if they're sitting in a jail cell?

If it's legalized though, there would be a lot to think about in terms of public usage. You can smoke cigarettes in some restaurants, can you also smoke pot? Things like that will need to be addressed so as not to cause problems later on.

[Slizor]

Another promblem with marjuana is that people inhale for much longer to get the most out of it. And recent studies indicate it has a damageing and irreversable effect upon memeory

[Perdix]

If people want to use drugs, let them, any kind of drugs. If it causes them harm, it's their own damn fault, if it causes them to commit crimes, punish them for their crimes.

[Freakapotimus]

At 3/23/01 12:20 PM, Perdix wrote: If people want to use drugs, let them, any kind of drugs. If it causes them harm, it's their own damn fault, if it causes them to commit crimes, punish them for their crimes.

Damn skippy.

[randoscious]

Actually he's Right, Marijuana does do the same damage as tobacco Although inhaling any kind of smoke will fuck up your insides in time

yeah, marijuana like tobacco is a carcigene(sp?), but it is not as bad as cigarettes b/c you smoke much less marijuana than tobacco.. You can also limit the amount of overall damage by smoking out of bongs, to get messed up on less marijuana.

In comparing alcohol with marijuana the dangers are not the same at all. No one has ever died from a marijuana overdose, but yes a weed head is just as phucked behind a wheel as a drunk. Also, alcohol has only a few practical purposes, while marijuana is one of the world's natural "cure-alls".

[randoscious]

"So in other words, legalise it, tax it, stoned people tend to be a friendly bunch, just dont legalise meth, then my sales would go down."

In fact, one of the major reasons why marijuana is illegal for the fact that it would be virtually impossible to tax. Marijuana, unlike tobacco, is a very hardy plant, and can be grown almost under any conditions.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 3/23/01 12:57 AM, P-Chan wrote:

At 3/22/01 11:27 PM, GameboyCC wrote: Some drugs are already legal... alcohol, tobacco, hell... even caffiene! Marijuana is about as deadly as any cigarette, or liquor!

Actually, it's much less dangerous than either of the drugs you mentioned.

Oh... thanks... I have a horrible memory anyway, either way it proves my point.

[eggatron]

Legalisation would be bad, canabis prives here in the UK have been the same since the 60's (depending on who you know, even less) and taxation would raise the price. Canabis actually does have a higher tar amount than tobacco, but because you smoke less (although most often with tobacco) it's negligable.

LSD shouldn't be legalised either, it's not the most social of drugs now is it? I admit that I do enjoy tripping off my tits more than most, but I would hate for it to be used recreationally, could you imagine getting on a bus with a tripping driver? hmm, fun(!)

MDMA (ecstasy) should be legalised, not because its safe, but because it's good and I'd love to see public figures like George "dubya" and the queen pilled, that would be funny, although I've never seen them drunk so thats probably not a good point. Simple fact, most people who have died after taking ecstasy have died from dehydration, where others have died from over-hydraation and their bodies drown. So in effect it's their own fault.

I could go on to other drugs like ketamine, opium, cocaine and the like, but they're probably best off as they are. And heoroin should never be legalised, I've seen way too many junkies stealing from my friends shop to count. I hink I went way off the point somewhere, oh well, c'est la vie.

[D2Kvirus]

Ok I want to know everyones views on the legalisation of drugs. I peresonally think it is peoples right to be allowed them since people can abuse their own body in the way they want, right?

For the love of Buddha, legalise pot!!!

There will suddenly be a decrease in asshole activity when people chill out for the first time in their lives and realise they were taking life too seriously.

And if anyone says it leads to harder drugs, I have one word for you:

BOLLOCKS!

[shorbe]

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[Bezman]

At 3/23/01 10:02 AM, Freakapotimus wrote:

If it's legalized though, there would be a lot to think about in terms of public usage. You can smoke cigarettes in some restaurants, can you also smoke pot? Things like that will need to be addressed so as not to cause problems later on.

To be honest, I already have a problem with cigarette smokers in Buses, pubs, restaurants etc. I accept that, in most cases, I can't do anything about it, but if cannabis were legalised then that would annoy me even more with all the guys blowing smoke around as they're drinking.

Passive smoking is a horrible thing, and whilst some might say that legalisation would bring prices down, I would point out that the government would tax it for as much as they could.

Of course, then you could grow your own quite easily. People may well end up buying from their usual sources anyway, just to make it cheaper.

[bula-luigi]

I heard that in England, it's cheaper to obtain cocaine than marijuana. what the hell? and the US government has spent 4 billion dollars trying to get rid of pot. what a waste.

I also heard that the only reason marijuana is illegal is because it will put cotton farmers out of business. my sis told me why, but I forgot ^^;

[IndianJujubeClock]

I also heard that the only reason marijuana is illegal is because it will put cotton farmers out of business. my sis told me why, but I forgot ^^;

Hemp would put a lot of people out of business. Hemp can not only be used for rope and cloths (Which are stonger than cotton) but can also be used for paper (From a resource that has a smaller (30 years or so)growth cycle and effect of the environment) rather than trees. It can also be used for lip balm . . among just about anything else.
Marijuana smoke is also less harmful than tobacco smoke (Assuming purity of the sample) because, well, it's pure. Tobacco companies add shit like more tar, ammonia (It's true) and a lot of other fun chemicals you find under you sink to cigarettes. Plus, I doubt anyone can roll a joint with as tight a pack as a cigarette, so a joint the same size has less smoke. Also, assuming equal weight, marijuana has less smoke than tobacco. Tobacco is highly addictive, both mentally and physically, marijuana is only moderately mentally addictive and physical dependence is disputed (Though I would assume light if they're having this much trouble finding out).
It would take 300 joints (Assuming average size and weight) before the THC levels would kill a man. It takes the average person 15, 12 oz Beers to die from Blood Alcohol Poisoning (Assuming a man of average weight, build, and rsistance). Plus alcohol is more mentally addictive than marijuana. . .
Not that I smoke it or anything . . because I wouldn't know . . .*runs from police*
Remember, kids, the police are NOT your friends. Never let them search anything without a warrant.

[LaserBeamBandit]

Their buisness to fuck themselves but they aren't going to be doing it legally in my country. If it was legal we'd get as fucked up as the Vietnam generation.

[LaserBeamBandit]

Marijuana smoke is also less harmful than tobacco smoke

I have papers saying that smoking marijuana is the equivilent to smoking cigarette. Tobacco ounce for ounce is worse then marijuana though said by another paper. I don't get it.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 1/9/02 06:16 PM, LaserBeamBandit wrote:

Marijuana smoke is also less harmful than tobacco smoke

I have papers saying that smoking marijuana is the equivilent to smoking cigarette. Tobacco ounce for ounce is worse then marijuana though said by another paper. I don't get it.

YES! Lazy Bum Bandit has returned!

The only person STUPID enough to say something like "I have papers saying..." Instead of doing things like... actual research! Let's just plug our butts with even MORE bull.

It would beg the question though, if they ARE eqivilent why is one legal?

[Ampersand]

Here's something to think about: one of cousins (he's 18 or something) has been using marijuana for a while, and now he is totally unmotivated to do anything. He lays in bed all day. He doesn't want to eat or drink or get up or get a job or anything. Also, someone I know worked in a psychiatric ward at a hospital for a while, and he said that 20 years ago nearly all mental health patients were sick from hereditary illness, but now most patients problems are drug induced. Another thing that people don't seem to know: the pot that people are smoking now is something like 20 or 50 times stronger than the pot people smoked in the sixties. That's all :)

[IndianJujubeClock]

At 1/10/02 06:38 AM, Ampersand wrote: Here's something to think about: one of cousins (he's 18 or something) has been using marijuana for a while, and now he is totally unmotivated to do anything. He lays in bed all day. He doesn't want to eat or drink or get up or get a job or anything. Also, someone I know worked in a psychiatric ward at a hospital for a while, and he said that 20 years ago nearly all mental health patients were sick from hereditary illness, but now most patients problems are drug induced. Another thing that people don't seem to know: the pot that people are smoking now is something like 20 or 50 times stronger than the pot people smoked in the sixties. That's all :)

I see, so then it's the Government's job to be the moral imperialist and tell us how to live our lives. They already let us smoke tobacco and drink alcohol, but I suppose they just don't have the responibility to tell us not to do that either (Keep in mind alcohol is responsible for a lot more problems, including violent crime) than marijuana. Big Brother loves me ! Tell me how to ! Four legs good, two legs bad ! Ending is better than mending !

[bula-luigi]

some people suffer from depression or lack motivation because of alcohol. that's why they drink it, because it makes them feel good. and in the end it beomes a problem. marijuana is the same. so why is one illegal and the other is not?