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Seriously, Iran isn't likely to become a true threat. They know the resulting backlash would never be worth it!

At 7/7/04 09:00 PM, -Wraith- wrote: Have they threatened us yet? No.
Iran doesn't have the manpower nor the weaponry to invade the US.
Kid, no one should have nuclear weapons. Our armanent is more of a threat to world safety than any other nation/
Do you realize our Christian extremists are every bit as dangerous as any other terrorists? Do you realize that the US has sprung terrorist organizations ourselves, such as ELF?

Yes, Iran has threatened us!

No, Iran doesn't have the manpower nor the weaponry to invade the U.S. but Iran has the manpower to send thousands of terrorists to illegally cross into the U.S. by flight via Mexico or Canada to carry out suicide attacks against us! and Iran could soon possess Nukes which would severly be a threat to us!

No one should have nukes but, that ain't gonna happen! Not in the real world! As long as other countries possess Nuclear weapons besides us, we're never gonna scrap our nukes! America can never be too careful! Our government policy is called "MAD" which means that if anyone or any one nation on Earth launches a nuke on us then we'll launch a nuke right back at them! With todays technology we can see a nuke launch right before it hits! We can also destroy a Nuke before it hits us, while few other nations can! We also have a policy of containment, any new nations seeking Nuclear weapons will be stopped militarily! Nations who already have nukes will be dealt with the "MAD" Policy! If a nation launches a bunch of nukes at us then, some would get through and hit us! but the point is, if a foreign country does launch nukes at us, we'll lauch nukes right back at them! If someone nukes us then we'll nuke them! and that would cause WWIII! That is why other countries wouldn't dare nuke us for fear of causing Nuclear war! When nations possess Nuclear weapons it involves a balance of power in the world. If anything goes wrong it could cause the end of the world.

Yes, we do have some domestic terrorist organizations that need to be dealt with! Unlike Iran, the U.S. government doesn't support these organizations and tries to crack down on them by arresting them seriously! and France doesn't realise that the U.S. is out of hand! They're just being pussys because they themselves did business with Iraq!

I've noticed a pattern myself, that we argue all the time! I may diagree with your naive view on the world as you diagree with mine. But, I think that we should stop arguing and start debating peacefully. I await your reponse and I hope it's a peaceful one.

P.S. I'm sorry that I called your point of view "Naive" but, the U.S. DOES NOT have a reputation for killing everyone! The U.S. has a reputation of forcing evil dictators out of power and having rapid advances in technology Militarily and Civilian made.

The Nazis are the ones who have the reputation of "Killing everyone" That regime Killed, gassed, and tortured more people than any other Modern Regime. The Nazis weren't exactly "Modern" but they were Modern enough to have guns.

Alpha 6 is a dumbass

CNN is not a relaible source.

they say nothing true

we have targeted iraq for oil they have no weapons of mass destruction they dont even have inside plumbing.

America is the biggest terrorist this world has every seen

america is a tyrant

i hate what this country has become

we are the boogie man on the doorstep of every country.

dont piss off america or they will destroy our rights and rape and kill our children

go to hell bush...

id rather live under sadam

I'm going to have to agree with the consensus, Iran isn't worth it. They don't pose a serious enough threat to us. Honestly, I think we did well in Afghanistan and Iraq and now it's time to send the boys on home. Which we probably will. The political ramifications of starting another pre-emptive war would be so dire that they would be ridiculous. Especially in such a close time period, it borders on madness. There's no way that America would consider it a viable option, and if they do, there are some pretty scary, irrational people in the Pentagon. No, I don't think that we're headed in that direction, and I wouldn't be too afraid of the Iranians if I were you. At least not any time soon.

Dear Devaint_Lucifer,

Ah, Shutup! Quit yer whining!

Iran CANT take over the USA. Irans military ISNT large enough. No country is stupid enough to launch a nuke.

If you want to talk about WMD, remember that the USA has more than enough to destroy anything and everything on earth, enough to kill every single human. Theyre also the only ones to USE a nuke on another country, theyre also the MOST prepared to do it again.

The "terrorist threat" is imagionary. There is no Muslim Dr Evil waiting to shoot the USA with a mega death laser. 911 only happened because all the people who were supposed to stop these things just stood down and let it happen.

The whole point to terrorism is creating a state of fear on the population to the point where they will except everything the government does and dismiss anyone who thinks otherwise as a "dirty terrorist", "traitor" or just "unpatriotic".

The USA government is already good enough at pressing fear into the population, there is no reason for a terrorist group to try to press fear onto the USA people. Blowing up stuff JUST to kill citizens is pointless and not worth the time or money.

The "terrorists" your talking about are probably just rebels anyways, or "insurgents" and the USA likes to call them. REBELS ARE DIFFERENT THAN TERRORISTS.

This is just like NAZI germany. Theres a disaster (reichstage fire) and then theres an imagionary enemy (the evil commie terrorists and the conspirating jews) and these scapegoats can justify attacking any country.

The USA is a much larger threat to peace and life itself in the world than Iran.

At 7/19/04 01:36 PM, Alpha6 wrote: Dear Devaint_Lucifer,

Ah, Shutup! Quit yer whining!

Thats pretty pathetic.

-The USA DOES brag about freedoms they they DONT have.
-Because of the terroristic ways the government runs the USA, they could be theoretically the largest terrorist group, if you take terrorism by its actual meaning, not just calling all rebels and militants terrorists.
-The USA IS a threat to just about any country, except maybe russia and china. China being the near future's next superpower
(possibly exceeding the USA). So they theoretically ARE the boogeyman on the doorstep of just about any country.

At 7/19/04 02:14 PM, Adun wrote: -The USA DOES brag about freedoms they they DONT have.

Can you name a few of these freedoms that we don't have? I'm just curious, really. I want to know about these freedoms that I didn't know I didn't have that a Canadian knows that I don't have.

-Because of the terroristic ways the government runs the USA, they could be theoretically the largest terrorist group, if you take terrorism by its actual meaning, not just calling all rebels and militants terrorists.

Do we send suicide bombers to other countries to blow up buildings and kill citizens? Or do you consider liberating the country of Iraq from a dictator like Saddam Hussein a terrorist act? Or how about giving 15 billion dollars to Africa for the research of AIDS? Yeah, we're the real terrorist threat to the world.

At 7/19/04 03:04 PM, Dagio wrote:

At 7/19/04 02:14 PM, Adun wrote: -The USA DOES brag about freedoms they they DONT have.

Can you name a few of these freedoms that we don't have? I'm just curious, really. I want to know about these freedoms that I didn't know I didn't have that a Canadian knows that I don't have.

The freedom for gay people to marry whoever they want, completly if it was up to bush

Abortion get penalized by bush, Even unicef and the red cross lose funding if they talk about abortion.

And most important to me, The freedom to smoke marijuana whenever u feel like it ;)

At 7/19/04 03:23 PM, Rob_G wrote: The freedom for gay people to marry whoever they want, completly if it was up to bush

Actually, you're wrong. America is one of the few countries that allows homosexual marriage. There's only, what, half a dozen other countries to do so? We're ahead of ~180 other, backwards countries.

fail.

"The freedom to smoke marijuana whenever u feel like it ;)"

HAHA! You had my attention there for a moment but then ya just blew it! No one is going to take you seriously when you say you wish to legalize weed but the people that are major potheads. I'm not saying that I'm straight edge, I love the ganga and I love to get drunk, and even if pot is becoming more socially comfortable in the United States, that doesn't mean a majority smoke. Even if the majority smoke it still wouldn't be legal, it isn't that simple. This argument could continue for pages though.

"The "terrorist threat" is imagionary. There is no Muslim Dr Evil waiting to shoot the USA with a mega death laser. 911 only happened because all the people who were supposed to stop these things just stood down and let it happen."

"The whole point to terrorism is creating a state of fear on the population to the point where they will except everything the government does and dismiss anyone who thinks otherwise as a "dirty terrorist", "traitor" or just "unpatriotic"."

"dont piss off america or they will destroy our rights and rape and kill our children"

"Theyre also the only ones to USE a nuke on another country, theyre also the MOST prepared to do it again."

Oh my god! HAHA! This is just too good, I feel like I'm watching a low-brow comedy! You people are so unbelievable it's ridiculously hilarous. Go on, I want to hear more! This is a lot more fun than listening to Alan Keyes and Al Sharpton combined!

At 7/19/04 03:23 PM, Rob_G wrote: Abortion get penalized by bush, Even unicef and the red cross lose funding if they talk about abortion.

Since when has abortion been illegal?

At 7/19/04 04:10 PM, Dagio wrote:

At 7/19/04 03:23 PM, Rob_G wrote: Abortion get penalized by bush, Even unicef and the red cross lose funding if they talk about abortion.

Since when has abortion been illegal?

i didnt say illegal but bush is strongly against it and has dealt sum blows against organizations promoting abortion.

That doesn't mean he has the power to overrule Roe v Wade, in fact, only the Supreme Court could and they're appointed for life.

At 7/8/04 04:19 PM, cheshirepus wrote: Alright then, Rob_G, since you're obviously an authority on comprehending surveillance photos taken by spy planes and satellites, why don't you use your outstanding skills now and tell me what you see in this picture here:

I saw a painting that looked like that sell for $2 million at an art gallery.

At 7/19/04 03:04 PM, Dagio wrote: Do we send suicide bombers to other countries to blow up buildings and kill citizens?

No, we have a milltary with missles ready to fire at a moment's notice. "Suicide" would just mean more paperwork.

At 7/7/04 08:47 PM, Alpha6 wrote: But what if Iran threatens us? That would justify our invading of Iran! We'd rather invade before they Invaded us! So we as a nation must take action before it's too late! Iran is a rogue nation and has NO right to posess Nuclear weapons! A terrorist supporting government such as Iran's CANNOT be trusted with those kind of weapons! and we actually do have the support of some of the other countries: Israel condems Iran for it's actions and are on the same side as us. So are Russia and the U.K. and most of Europe.
European nations such as France don't make as good of an ally but are still on the same side as us even though they're not as supportive. (They don't want Iran having nukes either!)
I think that Israel and the United Kingdom would make the best Allies for the War on Terror! Iran still has to be stopped if it's up to no good and is a threat to other nations!

The US being invaded by Iran? You are an eejit dude.

The Us has more nukes than all other nations on the Earth. The US has NO right to posses these types of weapons, it CREATES rogue nations.

Of course Israel condemns Iran, Israel wants to see nothing more than all Arab nations destroyed!

The UK only just supported you on Iraq, the British public WILL NOT allow another unjust war. I can assure you. And ‘most of Europe’? don’t make me laugh.

Don’t get me wrong, Iran’s people deserve a democratic government. But a murdering war is not the way to go.

At 7/19/04 01:57 PM, Adun wrote: The USA is a much larger threat to peace and life itself in the world than Iran.

That is what I would expect to hear from a Communist supporter such as yourself! Yes, Iran can't take over the U.S. I didn't say that! Iran is still a threat to us if they send terrorist over here to suicide attack American Citizens.

At 7/19/04 02:14 PM, Adun wrote:
Thats pretty pathetic.

Well, it's pretty pathetic that you repeat your arguments. If you looks at Adun's BBS Post record two of them are exactly the same! China is shit poor with overpopulation, how can they be the new superpower of the future? China only got nukes from Russia during the Cold War. Then China told other nations nuclear secrets. You speak from your own Communistic supporting Bias.

I've been saying we should deal with Iran for a long time. Personally, I think they were a bigger threat than Iraq was. Iran is a different kind of enemy than we've dealt with in Iraq and Afganistan. I'd say the closest comparison is
the Soviet Union:Soviet Satellites::Iran:Afganistan

the Soviet Union wasn't really completely in control of countries like Cuba, but it had significant influence over them because the Soviet Union was the main supplier of the Soviet Ideology. Iran similarly has been producing ideologies that are unfriendly to the US.

I don't really know if warfare is the best way to deal with Iran, I've heard from a very unreliable source that we are sending students to Iran to try to change the philisophical culture over there.

At 7/19/04 08:06 PM, grand_retard wrote:
The US being invaded by Iran? You are an eejit dude.

Well, from your alias, I guess your the Grand Retard Idiot! At least I know how to spell "Idiot!" being invaded does not always necessarily mean being invaded militarily, don't you know that?
Invading actually has two definitions! If a large group of people illegally cross into the U.S. then that is also considered "Invading" for example: Illegal aliens invade the U.S. daily by crossing the U.S. border from Mexico and Canada!
What I meant about Iran invading the U.S. was Iran sending hundreds of terrorist to illegally cross into the U.S. to carry out suicide bombings solely to cause collateral damage against us!

Here is a possible scenario on how Iran could invade the U.S.
non-militarily:

Phase 1: Iran supplies hundreds of Iranian and other terrorists with explosives and other weapons and training.

Phase2: Iran sends the select terrorist on Airplane Flights to Mexico and Canada where the bombs and weapons go unnoticed.

Phase3: The terrorist sent by Iran reach their destinations and make off with their bombs and weapons unnoticed as Mexican and Canadian Airport security is light.

Phase4: The terrorist reach the ungaurded Mexican and Canadian borders with their weapons and explosives from Iran and illegally cross into the U.S.

Phase5: The terrorist blend in with the local population in the U.S. Operation Chaos is going according to plan. The terrorists select their targets and very secretively make plans on when to strike.
Homeland Security is getting suspicious but thinks there is no real cause for alarm.

Phase6: The terrorist strike! Hundreds of bombings are happening through out the country! Some car bombs, some suicide attacks. America is shocked! Homeland Security is franticly trying to apprehend terrorist in every city. News agencys are desperitely trying to cover the Breaking News. Lots of colateral damage is done to businesses and other buildings and key targets. Police are dispatched in every city! A lot of terrorists are apprehended but many more were able to carry out their attack! Some of the weapons the terrorists brought were confiscated. Lots of damage has been done in the U.S. after all the terrorist were either killed, apprehended, or carried out their attack successfully. Americans are sadened but furious about the attacks and quickly try to find out where the terrorist came from. In about a years time all the damage has been repaired and Homeland Security has thrice improved and takes any lead if they get suspicious about any terror activity taking place here.

So you see people, the threat is real, and the world is not a safe place!

The Us has more nukes than all other nations on the Earth. The US has NO right to posses these types of weapons, it CREATES rogue nations.

Actually, the U.S. has every right to own these weapons as we were the first to have them until Russain spies found out Nuclear Secrets and told China how to make nukes and so on. These weapons don't create rogue nations, you're just being ignorant, It is people who hate us that create rogue nations.

How very odd, as a deterrant you think you'd want to reveal if you could for example read a newspaper from orbit. It keeps the bad guys more honest (or at least a lot more careful)...

And if our intelligence capabilities are nothing to tell the world about, how come every day, the administration is touting the intelligence FAILUREs. If anything will encourage a terrorist or attacker, it is hearing that your enemy cannot find his ass in the dark with both hands and a flashlight.

We can already read License plate and size 72 font... It's only a matter of time.

Eejit is an Irish/Scottish slang term for Idiot, no personal attacks on this board are allowed anyway.

O Yea piss off Alpha, leave newgrounds forever you've been brainwashed beyond repair. Why would anyone want to spend all the money and man power to invade America?
These Iranian terrorists you say who will sneak into America will have to be paid for by Iran and will just cause too much money. Plus the terrorists won't be able to get past security with "bombs strapped around their wastes".

Can you see into the future Alpha?
Can you predict the exact movements of these terrorists like you have claimed?
If you can then don't be telling us, tell the CIA, otherwise shut the hell up and stop watching T.V. and playing Rainbow Six and other counter-terrorist games. I bet thats where you got your ideas from.

At 7/20/04 10:52 AM, 1Shot-Paddy wrote: Eejit is an Irish/Scottish slang term for Idiot, no personal attacks on this board are allowed anyway.

Okay, I'm sorry, no more personal attacks. just don't personally attack me.

Why would anyone want to spend all the money and man power to invade America?
These Iranian terrorists you say who will sneak into America will have to be paid for by Iran and will just cost too much money. Plus the terrorists won't be able to get past security with "bombs strapped around their waists.

They can if they go to Mexico and Canada as they have a history of letting anyone in.
They can get into the U.S. by crossing the borders with Mexico and Canada as they're ungaurded. Terrorist are actually very cheap to be payed for. As they don't care about money they just want to blow us up. All Iran has to do is supply them with cheap weapons or an improvised dirty bomb.

If you can then don't be telling us, tell the CIA, otherwise shut the hell up and stop watching T.V. and playing Rainbow Six and other counter-terrorist games. I bet thats where you got your ideas from.

As a matter of fact, that's a good idea. I think I will warn the public as to how we should fix the flaws in our security. Rainbow Six is a very boring game and it sucks ass. Soldier of Fortune 2 kicks ass but I didn't get my ideas from anywhere. I got them from being concerned about our open borders.
Basically, it all boils down to this: We need to close our borders!
With a secure border, illegals and foreigners who are a threat to us wouldn't be able to get through. We, should militarize our borders with Mexico and Canada. So that no one can get through without being checked and entered legally into the U.S. That way, we'd be more safe.

Alpha6, how do you feel about Iraq's top envoy hinting to the United States that Iran is becoming a good friend?

Strange it seems since the two were at war for three years, you would think the hatred would still remain. It has not been that long since the war ended. It was a nasty one too.

This doesn't look to good as Iraq has a small group and many splinter groups that wish for a theocracy, which is exactly what Iran is. That would deter our efforts to help give the people of Iraq Democracy. They have not had freedom for well over a hundred years, and I have no knowledge of their history before so. This would be a great accomplishment for America, but it would all be in failure if Iraq turns into Iran.

How do you feel about this?

hey alpha6 ive been reading this thread for sum days now, and the only conclusion i have that U make the iranian people a threat.
Not only have u been continuously trying to show ur wannabe proof, u have been making probable scenario's as well.
If u reason like this u could make any country a threat.
-only your eyes-

Your 6 phased plan could be thought up for pakistan as well, does that make them a threat....

So far i havent seen any good reason to let america invade Iran.
So please stop and let your soldiers get sum rest after theyve came back from iraq.

I was only trying to warn that, there is an Islamic terrorist threat against us from the Middle East. Most of it coming from Iran, some from countries such as Syria and Yemen. As for Pakistan, they have a very unstable government over there and it's bad enough that pakistan has nukes. Don't get me wrong, I think the troops do deserve rest, but for some reason, I have a feeling that Iran will be the next front in the War on Terrorism and if it is true that Iran is about to have Nuclear Proliferation then they must be stopped as the Iranian Government is Hardliner Islamic Extremist.
On top of it, Iran is considered the biggest sponser of terrorism in the Axis of evil.

At 7/7/04 10:06 PM, cheshirepus wrote: Gee, it gives me such a warm fuzzy inside that a 15 year old boy in Florida is so willing to send my pals and I off to fight a war that he thinks justified because Iran doesn't like us.
Tell me, boy, why should I fight your war? Why should I take your word over that of all 435 members of Congress, or even that of the President? (Though I admit, you may actually be capable of better problem solving skills than our Commander in Chief at the moment)

But Iran doesn't just not like us. They absolutely hate us and regularly support Hezbollah to attack Americans. No wonder Iran is part of the "Axis of Evil" and considered the biggest state sponser of terrorism in the Middle East. If we do go to war with Iran, it ain't my war and as a matter of fact I'm joining the Army when I'm 18. So, I may die, or get wounded or lose both my legs in a war by an explosion, but If I do survive Iran or Iraq, I would still be willing to go back! You could call me crazy but I'd still be willing to go back!
You don't have to take my word or the president's as it is your choice. If your agree with congress then, that is your choice as well. As for me having better problem solving skills than our current president, if I was president I would make it my first priority to seal our borders with Mexico and Canada perhaps even militarize it to stop illegals from coming in. That would make our country more secure at home and would cut crime rates and debt in california by half, as it is true that 11% of the crimes in California are commited by these Mexican illegals and Califonia is in huge debt because of all the illegals from Mexico that are coming in. With a militarized border, it would send a clear message to foreigners and illegal aliiens who intended to cause crime or malicious things here that, they CANNOT enter the U.S. illegally anymore!

well even better lets militarize everything. put soldiers at candystands, that will show those pesky children for stealing candy

Dont you think that making war with every country you consider a threat would globally increase the hate against americans. This way you will find more and more countries that might form a possible threat.

OMG i am starting to believe we have finally found sumone that could be a worse president than bush. If you survive all the wars you wish u were in , please dont run for presidency