Should parents smack their kids

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

Here in the UK there's a bit of fuss going on over parents hitting their kids. There are some MPs that have been trying to ban it completely. But the government have gone for a comprimise which allows light smacking but bans it if it causes bruising or hitting with any implements. I think it's a little too far to ban all smacking, but they should certainly ban hitting with stuff like belts, which is what my dad used to hit me with until recently.

So what do you all think?

[baka-hentai]

I think smacking shouldn't be banned but beats should. Beats almost leads to child abuse.
When I was little my mom and aunt diciplinded me by hitting my hands with a spatula or chopstick(plastic and it hurt like hell).

[JC-Denton-UNATCO]

I don't think it shude be allowed your teaching your kid that Violence is the way to fix a problem.

[jonthomson]

At 7/6/04 07:22 PM, Razor14 wrote:

So what do you all think?

Let me get this straight. The schools can't discipline children, now the parents can't hit them (I've read what's allowed, to be quite frank it's effectively outlawing it from what I understand of the law - if it leaves a mark is a poor definition, kids bruise easily). Let's wait another few years when the next generation of kids are running riot because they've got no respect for anything and no sense of right and wrong. Then we'll have to incorporate the Battle Royale Act.

[oscilate-wildely]

its a mother and fathers choice how to raise and disapline thier child not the state. what kind of totalitarian state do we become where personal family choices are controled by a nannie goverment. i admit i dotn agree with agressive brutal measures like belts and beating, but smacking is classic disapline method which has not been proven to have any more long term phycological damage then shouting or taking away toys.

[JC-Denton-UNATCO]

At 7/6/04 07:35 PM, apfelsafat wrote: its a mother and fathers choice how to raise and disapline thier child not the state. what kind of totalitarian state do we become where personal family choices are controled by a nannie goverment. i admit i dotn agree with agressive brutal measures like belts and beating, but smacking is classic disapline method which has not been proven to have any more long term phycological damage then shouting or taking away toys.

heheh that reminds of something I saw on Ebay once where parents were selling this kids PS2 because he drunk a $500 bottle of wine.

[SteveGuzzi]

I don't think the government (UK, US, whatever) has any right to tell parents how to raise their children. If a parent feels the need to smack their bratty kid for acting up, they should be allowed to.

Obviously there exists parents that take it too far, but to ban physical disciplining is retarded. It's like disabling cars at the manufacturing plant from going over 65 MPH just because some people speed.

Besides, even without a belt I could figure worse forms of punishment...like making your kid do yardwork / house-cleaning / push-ups until they vomit, or else they don't get any food whatsoever. As a child I'd rather get slapped and figure out I should stop acting up right then and there, than to be pyschologically fucked-with / starved / whatever alternative.

[gem1]

Children of very early age can not be reasoned with. Spankings (within reason) are a perfectly normal way to deal with behavior. As kids get older, spanking becomes embarising and one can begin to reason with them. Once you can reason with them spankings become less needed. This is not beating, this is not slapping. You can always tell the kids that have not been disiplined as you and no one else will want anything to do with them.

[RedSkunk]

I don't believe a total ban on corporal(fuck, spelling) punishment is warranted.

[cjt321]

how can the state decipline kids .they have to right to interfer unless it's a extremly needed. that's what difece is for i was never hit as a child. i wasn't that much of a problem but i do see kids who try to make their parents feel like shit. i think everyone here has gone to a shoprite and seen a little kid make his mom look like a complete idoit and sometimes it gets to the point were u won't to beat them

[Porns69]

No but its exeption...

[TheShrike]

Beat the little fuckers. Kids need to be beaten. It puts hair on the chest.

[JC-Denton-UNATCO]

At 7/6/04 09:05 PM, TheShrike wrote: Beat the little fuckers. Kids need to be beaten. It puts hair on the chest.

Well it looks like someone needs to beat the fuck out of you

[TheShrike]

You're canadian. You should be smacked around twice for that.

[GooieGreen]

At 7/6/04 09:24 PM, TheShrike wrote: You're canadian. You should be smacked around twice for that.

You're a mod, you should be taken out back and beaten.

[TheShrike]

At 7/6/04 09:25 PM, Gooie wrote: You're a mod, you should be taken out back and beaten.

You're gooie. You deserve a lynching for that!

[JC-Denton-UNATCO]

your an ignorant fuck you deserve you head kicked in for that

[JoS]

At 7/6/04 09:13 PM, JC_Denton_UNATCO wrote:

At 7/6/04 09:05 PM, TheShrike wrote:

Well it looks like someone needs to beat the fuck out of you

Someone is gonna get beat... with the ban stick.

Seriously, in my professional opinon, corporal punishment is anything but the most effective way to punish. We can look it on different levels. First of all why should a child be different from an adult? I mean is the court system gonna had out spankings now to adult offenders, or is a boss gonna smack you on the buttom cause you fucked up?
Second of all, using this method of punish doesnt teach the child anything really. Sure they learn not to poke holes in all daddy's condoms, but they dont realize why what they did was wrong. Also if we use violence to punish our kids, then tell Johnny not to smack Billy, what kind of double standard are we settting? It doesnt teach them anything, and can in many cases worsen behaviour patterns later on.
Third of all, detecting an abuse of this system would be next to impossible. Short of a witness ratting out the parents, it may be almost impossible to tell if a child is being hit with a wooden spoon and not a hand. The bruise would occur on the butt, so rarely will anyone see that, and short of not being able to sit down if it is extremely harsh, it would very hard to detect that they are doing it over agressively.
Fourth, many parents dont know how to properly discpline a kid. They can use this methjod out of spite. Mommys got a hangover and Johnny droppen his box of crayons, so mommy is going to spank Johnny to vent her frustration over getting dumped by her pimp boyfriend.

[GooieGreen]

At 7/6/04 09:26 PM, TheShrike wrote:

At 7/6/04 09:25 PM, Gooie wrote: You're a mod, you should be taken out back and beaten.

You're gooie. You deserve a lynching for that!

*steals your mod powers and bans half the people in BBS*

My work is done

*gives them back under the condition that he doesn't gett banned*

And all is right in the World

[TheShrike]

At 7/6/04 09:27 PM, JC_Denton_UNATCO wrote: your an ignorant fuck you deserve you head kicked in for that

Did daddy beat you?

He should have. With a large stick, perhaps.

[FUNKbrs]

As I tell my brother in regards to my niece:

"Beat her! Hit her 'till she's good!"

[deathtuna]

I think the issue of smacking kids goes into the broader issue of discipline and its societal impact. (haha, big words always make you seem smartyer). Anyways, the way i look at it is this: If you just got a new puppy, a little infant puppy, and you are raising it and it does sdomething wrong, what will you do? Will you punish, like "bad dog" or will you just let it off? Or will you restrict it to a section of the household. If you just let it off, or restrict it, the puppy might not get the message. It might do it again.
The best way to discipline is to embed into that person's mind that if they screw up, they wont just payt a fine, or go to jail, they will be hurt. An eye for an eye. People who kill should be killed, people who injure should be injured, people who steal, or do other crimes, should be flogged.
I really belive that unless more severe punishments are taken into effect, crime will continue to flourish.

[RedSkunk]

At 7/6/04 11:25 PM, deathtuna wrote: (haha, big words always make you seem smartyer).

Good job.

I really belive that unless more severe punishments are taken into effect, crime will continue to flourish.

I think it's the lack of any parenting at all that makes crime such.

[deathtuna]

And lack of parenting ties in with lack of discipline. it also means the kid will not get a good example of how to behave, but of course, i know that i dont rely solely on my parents for a guideline of living my life. Which makes it a hard problem to pinpoint. It is the childs entire environment that shapes who he/she becomes, but at least more discipline might teach them to be afraid of the consequences.

[IllustriousPotentate]

I think there ought to be a law requiring parents to spank their kids. I've had enough of these whiny little brats being pampered by their parents because Dr. Phil or whoever says it builds self-esteem. It doesn't. It builds self-entitlement.

Yeah, time outs are a big punishment. 15 minutes to sit and scheme up more ways to get into trouble.

Getting sent to your room to think about what you've done is also harsh. "Yeah mom, I'll be sure to remember that all I have to do is act up to be able to play video games for the rest of the day."

Spank that brat! If a spanking is done right, it just stings for a little while, but you still remember it. My parents spanked me and I don't show any any negative effects.

[RedSkunk]

discipline =/= beating teh child

There are other ways.

[GooieGreen]

At 7/6/04 11:42 PM, red_skunk wrote: There are other ways.

Non-sexual ways?

[RedSkunk]

What I tried to say without putting any effort into it, is that corporal punishment shouldn't be the only damn thing you do with your godforsaken child.

Crime rates aren't the way they are because they aren't getting beaten enough.

[deathtuna]

im not saying it is ok to beat a child, im saying it is okay to do less severe things, like spanking, and smacking, but as they get older, get mroe aggressive. I was also spanked when i was a kid, so now i really thnk twice before doing anything. Of course, i screw up alot too, and im punished then as well. I just think that for the most part parents are way too easy on their children.

[RedSkunk]

I perhaps spanked once or twice my entire childhood, I just never deserved it much. I knew right from wrong, something my parents instilled in me without the threat of violence.

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