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I think Michael Moore is just giving the public what it wants to hear, because alot of people feel strongly against Bush. Plus, even though only about half the nation hates Bush, that half will go see the movie twice, making even more money. I know he's only expressing his opinion, but I don't have money to make a movie so I am expressign it in this post. Michael Moore's only concern is $$$ and more $$$.

If you did have the cash to make a movie behind your point would you consider it whorish to make money off your work? Or would you have something to say and say it in a way where you also got your bills paid?

At 6/30/04 03:52 PM, Captain_Kingfish wrote: I just think he is a load of crap. All his films Bend the Truth. He should be but in jail for treason. End of Story.

and if the administration were to turn tyrannically to the left, your words would be punishable by treason and you would get the same fate? i doubt you'd agree that politics should decide treason. So don't say such assinine stuff that even you wouldnt agree with if you didnt have George Bush and the flag shoved 20 feet up your ass.

They should make a Film about Bill Clinton. I mean they wouldnt have to Lie about anything.

F911 didnt have to lie about anything either. Watch it and refute what you saw on here if you can find a lie. I challenge you. And if the thought of giving Michael Moore money disgusts you than steal a screener off the web.

It's been said before, but cheating on your wife is a bit more forgivable than needlessly sending people to die.

At 6/30/04 05:24 PM, stafffighter wrote: It's been said before, but cheating on your wife is a bit more forgivable than needlessly sending people to die.

Nooo...REALLY. I think the catholic church would disagree

At 6/30/04 02:55 AM, SKUNKbrs wrote: What'd you think of Roger & Me?

I've only seen it in bits and pieces, but from what I've seen it's very nice.

At 6/29/04 12:22 AM, deepthrought wrote: Call me ignorant if you will but i for one will not EVER see ferenheit 9/11 because all Moore is interested in is furthering his career and not telling the truth. I am a conservative so you might think of course i will not see it but i beg all others who are disgusted not to see the movie. If you want to go just to see what its like or simply to yell at the screen, dont!!!

It's called freedom of speech moron, you know, the thing that Bush really doesn't like.

At 6/29/04 12:22 AM, deepthrought wrote: Call me ignorant if you will but i for one will not EVER see ferenheit 9/11 because all Moore is interested in is furthering his career and not telling the truth. I am a conservative so you might think of course i will not see it but i beg all others who are disgusted not to see the movie. If you want to go just to see what its like or simply to yell at the screen, dont!!!

If you goto the movie you are just putting more money in his socialist pocket, makeing him believe that his films are good and that he should continue to bend the truth to hiw own whims, please all stand with me and ban 9/11.

1. OK,, i'll call you ignorant,
2. And we all know, of course, that conservative idols such as Rush Limbaugh NEVER would lie, especially when he says that there were more indians today than there were when Columbus arrived. Oh wait...
3. WHEN did he lie? give us an example, oh mighty deepthroughout.

P.S.- I love your spelling.

At 6/30/04 05:24 PM, stafffighter wrote: It's been said before, but cheating on your wife is a bit more forgivable than needlessly sending people to die.

I strongly second that.

deepthroughout is avoiding my questions.

At 6/30/04 07:36 PM, PWeN wrote:

At 6/29/04 12:22 AM, deepthrought wrote: Call me ignorant if you will but i for one will not EVER see ferenheit 9/11 because all Moore is interested in is furthering his career and not telling the truth.

Wow, what Fox News corispondents ass do you live in? If you haven't even seen the movie, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why Ban the movie? Because it has tons of truth that the general public shouldn't know? If we're gunna ban movies from lying, you might as well bomb the crap out of Hollywood.

It's called freedom of speech moron, you know, the thing that Bush really doesn't like.

Very true, but I wouldn't call anyone a noob here, bub.

Man if this movie got banned, I just kill the guy who made the decision, because this is one good movie, that reveal to everyone how Bush's governement is fool and idiot, and axed on Irak... Man Bush is the worst president USA had... he beat Richard Nixon!! Man hes so bad... I laf on Bush...

At 6/29/04 12:22 AM, deepthrought wrote: Call me ignorant if you will but i for one will not EVER see ferenheit 9/11 because all Moore is interested in is furthering his career and not telling the truth. I am a conservative so you might think of course i will not see it but i beg all others who are disgusted not to see the movie. If you want to go just to see what its like or simply to yell at the screen, dont!!!

If you goto the movie you are just putting more money in his socialist pocket, makeing him believe that his films are good and that he should continue to bend the truth to hiw own whims, please all stand with me and ban 9/11.

the man admitted ON LIVE TV, AND ON MANY CHANNELS that a lot of his stuff is FACT, but also some of it is his opinion. the man makes a great point with the film. stop being ignorant and go see it.

At 6/30/04 07:43 PM, PsychoMonkeyParade wrote: WHEN did he lie? give us an example, oh mighty deepthroughout.

well... somebody answer.

At 6/29/04 12:22 AM, deepthrought wrote: Call me ignorant if you will but i for one will not EVER see ferenheit 9/11 because all Moore is interested in is furthering his career and not telling the truth. I am a conservative so you might think of course i will not see it but i beg all others who are disgusted not to see the movie. If you want to go just to see what its like or simply to yell at the screen, dont!!!

If you goto the movie you are just putting more money in his socialist pocket, makeing him believe that his films are good and that he should continue to bend the truth to hiw own whims, please all stand with me and ban 9/11.

1. The fact that you're judging a movie without even viewing it makes you ignorant by default (not as in "you're an idiot"). You can't judge something you haven't listened to. You're almost as bad as the people who've never listened to more than one speech by President Bush and automatically despise him.
2. If I see this movie I'm also putting more money into the economy (not a significant amount, but I'm not giving Moore a significant amount eithe).
3. Moore's movie is protected by the first ammendment unless it violates the constitution or a law.

Just saw it, I recommend it. Powerful, and very little on-screen Moore.

More Power to Mr. Moore. The US government has become a facist hellhole. Fuck America

Micheal moore only tells half truths and whole lies. Look at "Bowling for columbine" Biggest, propaganda bullshit ever. He states facts that are totally mis-taken by the public (Like the kill rate by guns, he dosen't say how much of it is commited by who, and how (Self defense and such)) He just tells the public what it wants to hear, and then molds them into his image. I shouda expected him to make a movie about the Bush party, hell, I bet he'll make a movie next about how there's no moon. (hah :P) He's doing what a lot of "us" would do. Stand up in something we believe in, using false information to bring more people in his belief because he dosen't wanna be proven wrong. I vote for the death sentance to michael moore and his un-fair propaganda bullshit. That jew has had enough movie time, send him to the pits.

At 7/2/04 02:41 AM, The_SuPa_Pimp wrote: That jew has had enough movie time

Thanks. Now I know that I don't have to take you seriously ever again.

At 7/2/04 02:56 AM, red_skunk wrote:

At 7/2/04 02:41 AM, The_SuPa_Pimp wrote: That jew has had enough movie time

Thanks. Now I know that I don't have to take you seriously ever again.

Amen Skunk. That's the best thing I've heard all night.

To be fair, it's been a slow night.

At 6/29/04 12:22 AM, deepthrought wrote: Call me ignorant if you will but i for one will not EVER see ferenheit 9/11 because all Moore is interested in is furthering his career and not telling the truth. I am a conservative so you might think of course i will not see it but i beg all others who are disgusted not to see the movie. If you want to go just to see what its like or simply to yell at the screen, dont!!!

If you goto the movie you are just putting more money in his socialist pocket, makeing him believe that his films are good and that he should continue to bend the truth to hiw own whims, please all stand with me and ban 9/11.

It's obvious you don't care about Moore getting money, it's because you disagree with the movie and/or you want Bush to get elected.

Prove me wrong if you can: How about everybody who you are discouraging to see the movie buys a ticket to another movie and just walks into F9/11? Michael Moore wouldn't get $$$. Is that ok? Nobody watches the doors, if you buy a ticket you can go into whatever movie you want. Agree or disagree?

I think, by reading deepthrought's post, I have now become either a total fascist or a complete moron.
Moore's work needs to be taken with a grain of salt sometimes. And yes, sometimes he might bend the truth, or just tell part of the truth. But has there ever been a movie with political content that wasn't biased one way or the other.
I was glad that I saw the movie. Although I think he put too much of the mom who had lost her son into the movie. I got the point after a few minutes. But he did bring out some interesting connections between different companies and different people in power.

At 7/2/04 04:16 AM, Slothbear wrote: Although I think he put too much of the mom who had lost her son into the movie.

You know, I have to disagree. I heard someone else say this, and was worried, but I think she was an important part of the movie, a part that he only got to near the end. She was white, middle-class, religious, and in a military family. Not the typical person who would be shown in a positive light in a Moore film. This, I'm assuming, should get people who identify with and can commiserate(sp) with her. And a lot of military families are dissatisfied with Bush nowadays. I'm glad he put that across, think he could of expanded a bit.

Actively looking for these "truths" that lots of people whom vehemently oppose this film, I came on this flier. Truths? And there has been only one thing on that poster that could actually debunk this film:

• Moore claims that President Bush arranged special flights to
get the bin Laden family out of America. The truth is that
former Terrorism Czar and Bush Administration critic Richard
Clarke has stated that the decision was his and his alone, and
the 9/11 Commission supports this claim.

Now this is the only thing this poster that is worthwhile... otherwise, the rest is padding... "MM hates freedom... MM love HItler... etc." You know...

Has anybody else come with anything else that actually could dispell the "lies" in this movie?

I didn't click the pdf, have problems with them.. But from a quick google, it looks like Clarke has / had contradicted himself on who exactly was responsible, this article says:
"Clarke's sworn testimony before the 9/11 Commission in March, describing how the FBI approved the flights for the bin Ladens and other Saudis to leave the U.S., may have strengthened that premise. [Moore's claims] But Clarke's interview with The Hill newspaper, published on May 26, contradicted that previous testimony."

At 6/30/04 09:45 AM, D2KVirus wrote:

At 6/29/04 11:08 AM, Ravens_Grin wrote: Hey, at least you opened it and read it

Well, I was hoping for something else - I got hatemail for being in a Michael Moore group on Yahoo a while ago. Huh?!? How free do you want other lands to be?

Meh, you were talking about how advertisers are using the micheal moore name to get people to see their ads. But yeah, that is pretty fucked up that people have sent you hate mail because of it. What you should do is threaten to call the FBI with the ip address unless he professes his love to Micheal Moore....

At 7/2/04 02:41 AM, The_SuPa_Pimp wrote: hell, I bet he'll make a movie next about how there's no moon. (hah :P)

Actually, his next project will be entitled Sicko!, about the American health care system. But, hey, that isn't good for little comments of alleged with, is it? Bit of a shame he was only joking about doing one on Bliar, sorry, Blair.

Now, all I have to do is wait another week for the UK release. Oh well, is Shrek 2 any good?

At 6/29/04 12:22 AM, deepthrought wrote: Call me ignorant if you will but i for one will not EVER see ferenheit 9/11 because all Moore is interested in is furthering his career and not telling the truth.

If you goto the movie you are just putting more money in his socialist pocket, makeing him believe that his films are good and that he should continue to bend the truth to hiw own whims, please all stand with me and ban 9/11.

Ah, so we shouldn't believe the lies that are told to us when they are obviously fictionalized statements used to further an agenda. We should 'ban' people who's only interest is furthering their career based on lies... who exactly are you against here, Moore or Bush?

Why are people getting so upset over a form of entertainment? Clearly you should be more upset about the Bush administration. Put into office by the lies his brother put forward about Florida, sure, Gore dropped out of the race, but he did that when he truly won both the popular vote of the nation, and the electoral votes of Florida. Now Bush has pushed us into Iraq based on the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" supposedly in there. Saddam Hussein may have been evil, but so far no weapons have been found. And attacking other countries based on good vs. evil is not the way to operate a government.