At 8/18/17 06:10 PM, sfxw wrote:

At 8/18/17 10:12 AM, straberrykiler6789 wrote: using a fairly old version of flash and the latest i have is flash 8 the item i am going to be working on will probably be done in Borland c++ builder and or visual studio once i dust off my cds

Have you tried a free open IDE like FlashDevelop? That and building your service in an ANE would be quite interesting to see.

i could use something like this for certain components but my code needs to be run where flash can not be run though for manipulating SWF files coding things in flash is a good solution for porting this to other systems since the code can be moved from system to system virtually unaltered.

i think components developed in Adobe AIR or FlashDevelop would be useful at a later stage but i will probably not be using them until the BETA the ALPHA of my program will just be basic use of the plugin with some additional parameters for testing.

Another program i will make is something to analyses HTML as a text file and create the ini using the most simplistic code besides module designated to do specific things which will have to be coded differently in each browser possible as this is purely for reference on how the addon should work.

At 8/18/17 07:00 PM, straberrykiler6789 wrote:
i could use something like this for certain components but my code needs to be run where flash can not be run though for manipulating SWF files coding things in flash is a good solution for porting this to other systems since the code can be moved from system to system virtually unaltered.

Do you have a GitHub you will be posting this on or will it be private?

Also did you know that AIR programs can be compiled into native code? This would let it run without the need for flash.

At 8/18/17 10:21 PM, sfxw wrote:

At 8/18/17 07:00 PM, straberrykiler6789 wrote:
i could use something like this for certain components but my code needs to be run where flash can not be run though for manipulating SWF files coding things in flash is a good solution for porting this to other systems since the code can be moved from system to system virtually unaltered.

Do you have a GitHub you will be posting this on or will it be private?

Most of the effort to save flash seems to be happening there so i will be doing the windows versions on GitHub since most of the original code i make will be there first,
port's i might put elsewhere since i will be heavily using code from other projects(credited and by license terms) but other peoples code none the less

Also did you know that AIR programs can be compiled into native code? This would let it run without the need for flash.

this may be the way to do it on mobile phones in the future and could be a great way to make a newgrounds portal app, but the way the compiler works and where it can be used is contingent on adobe tailoring its compiler to that platform so i am going to be careful how many of my "eggs" i put in that "basket"

especially since i am planning Java,ShockWave and unity support

after seeing this post, i want to say a few things

i wast to start by reminiscing on flash, i haven't been on newgrounds for at least 8 or 10 years now but i have memories on this site, like making my mother mad when i play a stick man game with a M rating, i even had an newgrounds account that i cant remember, before my family signed up internet service around 2005/2006, i would go on my uncles computer when we went my grandparents house (my uncle lived with them still at this point) every sunday, play as many games i could on sites like newgrounds (of course), ezone, PBS, CBC, Teletoon, Neopets and so many more, flash was amazing.

it been a longtime coming and i think flash being killed off is a good thing, look, people have made some amazing stuff and the tool have made it so easy to make content, i respect that and many of us have long term memories of flash that will never die but its old, vary vary old, starting out under the name "FutureWave" in 1993 and was then modified to be a competitor to Macromedia Shockwave, by the time 2020 come around, the software will be 27 years old and the modified FutureWave aka flash will be 24 years old, i'm surprised its still compatible with modern systems, on top of age, its been neglected for so long, beginning when Macromedia bought out FutureWave to remove any competition with Shockwave and when Adobe bought Macromedia, the neglect didn't stop, there's just to much to fix and update.

At 9/11/17 07:38 AM, rtim wrote: after seeing this post, i want to say a few things

i wast to start by reminiscing on flash, i haven't been on newgrounds for at least 8 or 10 years now but i have memories on this site, like making my mother mad when i play a stick man game with a M rating, i even had an newgrounds account that i cant remember, before my family signed up internet service around 2005/2006, i would go on my uncles computer when we went my grandparents house (my uncle lived with them still at this point) every sunday, play as many games i could on sites like newgrounds (of course), ezone, PBS, CBC, Teletoon, Neopets and so many more, flash was amazing.

We still have an amazing library of content and plenty of options to explore,
Look at how WebAsm can be used to run Dos Games and older windows systems in browser, if this can be done why would it be such a stretch to run the flash DLL SO or OCX in a similar way or even with a Web based Gnash.

We may not have flash source code but we do have the source for An emulator, Linux/Wine/ReactOS Just a matter of putting it together

it been a longtime coming and i think flash being killed off is a good thing, look, flash will be 24 years old, i'm surprised its still compatible with modern systems,

Just because flash has been used for a long time the death of flash is in your opinion a good thing, for no reason besides it being old?

"there's just to much to fix and update"
A flash "Plugin container" possibly a web based one would address this as it could sandbox flash completely negating any security risks

By all means have new tools but we still dont have a good replacement,

Go pure html? oh because nobody has ever had malicious code in a HTML
Dont forget how many current browsers selectively omit certain functions of HTML5 thats fun!
design something to share and half the people cant get it to work right.

Mp3's arent going anywhere Txt files are still useful and SWF's can still be usable in the future

Again, to reiterate: Flash produces clean as fuck images. Even Egoraptor complained about video formats on YT vs. Flash versions of his cartoons, citing the former's "Fuzzy Compression Bullshit".

Pure pixels for life.

At 7/26/17 01:19 PM, TomFulp wrote: Options include javascript that can interpret and run an SWF file, software that can convert existing swf files to javascript or something using WebAssembly, which is still maturing. A lot has been happening in this space but nothing is perfect at the moment.

Great to know these things are being considered! IMO it seems like the first alternative would be the best, so games wouldn't need to be transformed and potentially broken. Haven't read up on WebAssembly at all though. Will be interesting to see what innovations are made now that the clock really starts ticking, and if they do make it Open Source...

Great summary overall, Congrats on the feature, and great fun browsing through the pictures! Looks like great fun!!

Hope Flash lives on forever, whatever the new form may be.

At 7/27/17 08:27 AM, Valfire wrote: I still use Flash 5 you know.

Hell yeah! Keep fighting the good fight!! I've settled for 8 myself. Great program to just doodle around in too, not overly bloated but still easy to use, and at least images still export fine in future-proof formats. Curious btw, did Flash 5 have the smoothing feature for the brush?

At 7/27/17 07:52 PM, TmsT wrote: I wonder if I should finish making the two Flash games I've been tormenting in Development Hell for the past 6 years...

It's never too late!

At 7/30/17 09:45 AM, straberrykiler6789 wrote: so i made this program...

That's pretty awesome! Gives hope that keeping history alive might not be impossible after all, and with the examples you've made already it almost seems easy. Surely a lot of work left though! Good luck, and looking forward to seeing what you make!

I actually looked this up and it doesn't seem like Adobe is actually decommissioning the Flash Player itself, just the page for it.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2023241

Every other result I found on the subject of "decommissioning Flash" in Google is from shitty tabloid sites. From the looks of it, all Adobe is decommissioning is a page on their site since people were spoofing it to Trojan malware to people. Can anyone show a source from Adobe themselves declaring they're killing it off in 2020, because this was all I found on their part. To me it seems that everyone jumped the gun when they saw something about Adobe decommissioning something, something, Flash.

@TomFulp

At 11/22/17 08:03 AM, Psychopath wrote: I actually looked this up and it doesn't seem like Adobe is actually decommissioning the Flash Player itself, just the page for it.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2023241

Every other result I found on the subject of "decommissioning Flash" in Google is from shitty tabloid sites. From the looks of it, all Adobe is decommissioning is a page on their site since people were spoofing it to Trojan malware to people. Can anyone show a source from Adobe themselves declaring they're killing it off in 2020, because this was all I found on their part. To me it seems that everyone jumped the gun when they saw something about Adobe decommissioning something, something, Flash.

Here's their official notice:

https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2017/07/adobe-flash-update.html

Adobe doesn't intend to support Flash after 2020, meaning if a security hole is discovered after that point, Adobe doesn't intend to fix it. This is why all of the major browsers have also committed to remove Flash completely after 2020, so you will no longer be able to install a plugin or toggle a setting to run Flash content in a browser.

You will still be able to run Flash in older browser versions or standalone desktop apps made to run Flash, so there will be alternatives, it just won't be as easy to access as it has been. That is unless we have a successful solution made with javascript or WebAssembly.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/all-major-browsers-now-support-webassembly/

WebAssembly is very promising but it would still be hard for people to make something that properly runs Flash without help from Adobe.

At 11/11/17 10:59 AM, Cyberdevil wrote:

At 7/30/17 09:45 AM, straberrykiler6789 wrote: so i made this program...

That's pretty awesome! Gives hope that keeping history alive might not be impossible after all, and with the examples you've made already it almost seems easy. Surely a lot of work left though! Good luck, and looking forward to seeing what you make!

Actually still working on a program to use NPSWF32.dll but at a plateau due to some weird bugs.
Though its intended to work with things that cant be run in the flash projector and i did hire a programmer so some progress could be made.

internet part is until later but NPSWF32.DLL requires you to set a ton of things before you can use it(interfacing with browser)

anyone else got any flashes that DO work in browser but fuck up when played in projector, like this!
http://archive.4plebs.org/f/search/image/YPaVUzy9CG6mQvmZP0fKkA/

At 1/18/18 07:32 AM, straberrykiler6789 wrote: Actually still working on a program to use NPSWF32.dll but at a plateau due to some weird bugs.
Though its intended to work with things that cant be run in the flash projector and i did hire a programmer so some progress could be made.

Actual hire too, seems ambitious!

Wonder if you've been making any progress since this post? Any place to follow the project on?