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I'm just curious as to why an individual would waste the specific rain power required to converse politics.

I mean come on really, admittedly every one is entitled to thier opinions. Unless they are amazingly stupid, ignorant, narrow minded or insulting. Those ones should be kept to yourself.

But in politics the specific discussion or reasoning by individuals who are not actually in the government or have much influence besides is a single vote is beyond me.

Its not as though the discussions will lead to any great revelations that can be inacted upon.

Consider other subjects such as philosophy, or socialism, psychology. By understanding why people do what they do uyou can learn to better control them. Not to mention knowledges power.

So basically, just why politics?

If people did not discus it, everyone would do exactly as the media says just like robots. Actually, most seem to anyway.

At 6/25/04 02:23 PM, Xion-Fox wrote: I'm just curious as to why an individual would waste the specific rain power required to converse politics.

So basically, just why politics?

Political debate is mentally stimulating. Not only is it an exercise in logic, reasoning, and critical thinking, it is also informing.

Try that with topics in General.

"Type your name with your elbow!"
"I'll zombify you"
"ill make you a ms paint sig !2!"

And you are talking about politics being a mindless activity? Please.

What I fine interesting is we all make presumptions based on each of our own local scociety. It is intersteing to see some one come up with circumstances so different in different areas of the same country (and outside). It is easy to sit back in ones shoes and not understand why the rest of the world does not think like ourselfs.

At 6/25/04 02:23 PM, Xion-Fox wrote: I'm just curious as to why an individual would waste the specific rain power required to converse politics.

It's not as if we have a limited amount of "brain power".. How can it be comsidered a waste if this is a hobby?

Before I came to this forum, I was relatively ignorant as to how people in other countries (namely great britain, australia, and canada) felt about the US. I was also ignorant to some of the finer points of various governmental systems.

The knowlege I've gained here is priceless. Only someone lacking in this knowlege (say, a n00b with fewer than 500 posts) could possibly consider this a waste.

I'm with FUNK on this one. It's mentally stimulating and educational.

I know more about Canadian politics now than I had ever wanted to know.

At 6/25/04 04:50 PM, TheShrike wrote: I know more about Canadian politics now than I had ever wanted to know.

Canadians have politics? Woh, that's new to me. That's all I want to know about that, so basically I am going along with you. :)

I have tried to stay away from this forum due to the fact that it raises my blood pressure and makes me question the ignorance of some people, and why it prevails. I find myself drawn back every now and then because I enjoy a good debate...but they are rather scarce, so thats an oxymoron I suppose. I guess that I am looking for a way to use the tools that ive learned in school such as critical thinking and logic constructs. Im a math major, and I plan to get a masters in business here soon, so politics isnt exactly my area...but nevertheless I find this forum somewhat stimulating...somehow.

At 6/25/04 05:00 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote: Canadians have politics? Woh, that's new to me. That's all I want to know about that, so basically I am going along with you. :)

You just covered my entire understanding of the situation. I always thought it was too cold for politics up there. =p

At 6/25/04 05:10 PM, BWS wrote: I have tried to stay away from this forum due to the fact that it raises my blood pressure and makes me question the ignorance of some people, and why it prevails. I find myself drawn back every now and then because I enjoy a good debate...but they are rather scarce, so thats an oxymoron I suppose. I guess that I am looking for a way to use the tools that ive learned in school such as critical thinking and logic constructs. Im a math major, and I plan to get a masters in business here soon, so politics isnt exactly my area...but nevertheless I find this forum somewhat stimulating...somehow.

It is good when 2 people can present two sides with logic in adult fashin wrather than saying "If you don't agree with me your stupid"

I believe that this forum is completely productive, because others who would have questions about politics and are pretty clueless themselves can come here and have their say, it doesn't mean that they will always be accepted, but they will be heard.

I always have a hard time posting in the politics forum because i feel that the regulars are very mentally intimidating, but I still read what they have to say, giving my input where ever i feel i can.

I have nothing left to say, because i haven't yet earned the respect. This forum rules!

Political discussion, at least in this forum, is an end unto itself. Ideally, by listening to other viewpoints and formulating my arguments for or against them, I both strengthen my political foundations and encourage others to do the same. Effectiveness is is open to debate.

I'm looking to convince and be convinced. An open mind is extremely important in being able to truly disseminate all information adequately to find the best solution and this board gives me that (at least somewhat). And if someone sees past their closed mind to see another viewpoint, I think it was worth it.

This forum is perfect for that. Additionally, it has helped me bring other political points to my classroom so my kids can see other points of view than my own (though I try to give them all I can).

At 6/25/04 03:32 PM, SKUNKbrs wrote:

At 6/25/04 02:23 PM, Xion-Fox wrote: I'm just curious as to why an individual would waste the specific rain power required to converse politics.

It's not as if we have a limited amount of "brain power".. How can it be comsidered a waste if this is a hobby?

thinking about, he could have a point if he was talking about brain power per second, or something.
although as illustrious said, it is stimulating, and stimulation of the brain is never a waste.

Well keep in mind I'm not saying its bad or that it shouldn't be discussed. I'm just trying to figure out why as opposed to spending the brain power on say, trying to figure out how your gonna solve issues of your personal life or how to achieve self actualisation you'd expend on something, I consider, frivilous.

When your considering politics your considering the governings of many people, obviously, I have no doubt that this forum provides information but consider exactly how politics works.

We're looking at a system of governing people. People have no idea what they ultimately want. Not to mention your controlling a massive grouping of mentally unstable beings, sorry no offense cause I'm certainly unstable *curls up in his white padded corner and snuggles his straight jacket*

But Politics and governments come and go change and shift constantly. The people in government shift and change and alter nonstop. does actually discussing politics give you any greater power or control over the situation? No.

Monday June 28, that is the elction date in Canada, I'll not vote becuase it doesn't matter. W/e happens I can shift and adapt as is human nature. I'd understand the discussion of laws in an indepth manner, sure that coulod potentially help.

However discussing what your heads of state are doing seems frivilous to me. You actually have no direct control over what they do yet they have it over you.

*shrug* maybe I just belong on a deserted Island somewhere with my faince.....

At 6/26/04 02:09 PM, Xion-Fox wrote: Monday June 28, that is the elction date in Canada, I'll not vote becuase it doesn't matter.

That's even worse than writing yourself in on the ballot. You pansy.

At 6/26/04 02:09 PM, Xion-Fox wrote: You'd expend on something, I consider, frivilous.

Ever hear of multi-tasking? Keeps the attention span busy while the idle time is burning on other activities. And no, there is no single activity that I can continuously perform (mental or physical) without a break sometimes.

We're looking at a system of governing people. People have no idea what they ultimately want.

Not true, a lot of people know what they think they want at any particular time. I would agree if you indicated "What was best for them in the long term".

Not to mention your controlling a massive grouping of mentally unstable beings,

Absolutely true

But Politics and governments come and go change and shift constantly. The people in government shift and change and alter nonstop. does actually discussing politics give you any greater power or control over the situation? No.

Actually, the key to being effective is to pick your points and pursue them to the completion.

Can one little boy provide drinking water for all of Africa, no, but he was persistent enough to followup with a pen pal, through effort and collaboration, brought about the construction of a well within a single community. World drought fixed, no. But at least several dozen more people have water.

Less important to human condition but more in line with the suffering of the average Canuck. My flat utility meter ran endlessly. Even if I shut down the main source breaker, I was still being charged for power I obviously wasn't consuming.

I did a neighbourhood poll, and several hundred people also noticed this. At the next social meeting between Town Council and the public, I attended, chatted with a few people and brought up the issue with the local Member of Parliament (need to have your facts straight and documented in advance - also helps if you fax it over to his/her office a day or 2 before the event so they are prepared - gives them the opportunity to do a little digging and get their position ready).

If the person likes to grandstand, give them the opportunity to publicly announce their intentions of looking into the issue with a roadmap for investigation and resolution.

The guy leading my area is a little more grounded, so all it took was a quiet word to the side to make sure he had received the information.

Within 3 months, an inspector had visited all the buildings in question and a contractor was hired to replace all the meters (seems to have been a product issue, rather than an intentional gouge - the meters actually required power draw to measure power draw).

Other issues directly affecting my quality of life are also relatively painless to deal with as well including:

Neighborhood watch to decrease the amount of petty theft
Park cleanup / maintenance to regulate garbage collection
Parking controls for abandoned vehicles

However discussing what your heads of state are doing seems frivilous to me. You actually have no direct control over what they do yet they have it over you.

As with all initiatives, the power of one is limited, the power of many magnifies that singular power. But to harness it, you all have to pull in a similar, if not same direction. Otherwise, the result is noise, confusion, a whole lot of work and little progress. Much like the current state of affairs.

*shrug* maybe I just belong on a deserted Island somewhere with my faince.....

Sorry, Bill Gates already bought it. You're an American tax-payer now.

Touche -Grim-. I must say that your still the one person who seems to able to apropriately appeal to my sense of logic.

*tips his hat*

However, forgot, I'mnot voting understand my reasoning. I am a single individual personally I don't give two flying fucks what goes on with the others around me (I'm a little egocentric). W/e government comes into power I will adapt and alter accordingly. As is the amazing capacity humans have.

And besides I'm not an american tax payer :P muhahaha. However, being in canada and living in the west my vote essentially gets consumed anyways so *shrug* besides, I've got absolutely no clue what's really going on. I kinda live in a political vacuum.

However there are a few things I do understand. Namely, politics is worth talking about for no other reason than it pisses some people off. :P *flashes a peace sign and takes his big flufy tail back to the psych ward*

there are many reasons why we should "waste the brain power"

if you can influence some one better than the media can persuade some one...

and even if you think your not getting anywhere...

trust me you are...

if you get to a point where some one can't reply to one of your thoughts...
you have the question burned in their brain...

they will hink about it...

At 6/25/04 04:18 PM, -theFUNK- wrote: Before I came to this forum, I was relatively ignorant as to how people in other countries (namely great britain, australia, and canada) felt about the US. I was also ignorant to some of the finer points of various governmental systems.

The knowlege I've gained here is priceless. Only someone lacking in this knowlege (say, a n00b with fewer than 500 posts) could possibly consider this a waste.

The number of posts has absolutely nothing to do with one's knowlege in the political world. I am about to break 100, but only because i am not involved with THIS forum that much. If i add up all of the political posts, and give credit for the political chatting i do on Yahoo every day, it comes to about 2000.

This forum is a great alternative to general.

Id much rather talk about zionism than "your favorite movie including nudity".

If you do not vote, or do not participate in the elections of our governing body then why would you have anything to say in requards to their position and policies.

At 6/25/04 02:40 PM, gem1 wrote: If people did not discus it, everyone would do exactly as the media says just like robots. Actually, most seem to anyway.

dam straight dumb ass little kids today watch all that crap on mtv now a days and it is complete and utter shit i see 10 year old kids wearing baggy clothes wigger hats backwards and gold necklaces. the people who make mtv should be shot gutted and run over by a buick

At 6/28/04 01:30 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: your favorite movie including nudity

It'd have to be Requiem for a Dream.

At 6/28/04 04:12 PM, SKUNKbrs wrote:

At 6/28/04 01:30 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: your favorite movie including nudity

It'd have to be Requiem for a Dream.

Call me sentimental, but my fave is Titanic.

I have little if anything to say about the policies passed by the individuals in government unless they are outright stupid and display amazing neglegance and inconsideration, like cutting educational funding or health care funding.

As far as TV and Media go, Meh, its up to the parents to teach other wise and media brain washing is seriously, seemingly, strictly an american thing.

Although I could be wrong it just seems american media influences more than it informs.

At 6/25/04 02:23 PM, Xion-Fox wrote: I'm just curious as to why an individual would waste the specific rain power required to converse politics.

I mean come on really, admittedly every one is entitled to thier opinions. Unless they are amazingly stupid, ignorant, narrow minded or insulting. Those ones should be kept to yourself.

Actually, even those opinions are protected speech. Read the constitution, specifically the bill of rights.

Bill of Rights

At 6/29/04 04:51 PM, Xion-Fox wrote: I have little if anything to say about the policies passed by the individuals in government unless they are outright stupid and display amazing neglegance and inconsideration, like cutting educational funding or health care funding.

As far as TV and Media go, Meh, its up to the parents to teach other wise and media brain washing is seriously, seemingly, strictly an american thing.

Although I could be wrong it just seems american media influences more than it informs.

This all sounds good but it is often more complicated than that. Yes funding is needed but they need answer to many problems. When things begin to effect you more, the more interested one gets in the problems. As far as it being up to the parrents to teach the children, that is true but it is not being done. It seems too many parrents act as children themselfs.