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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-19 14:52:51 Reply

At 3/19/17 10:58 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Like @tylerfromtexas , who is astounded that a word derived from liberty to describe someone who loves freedom is a pejorative term used to describe those who would like extreme social controls

Well, the "liberal" political group has absolutely become just that. You specifically might not want that, but that's what the left wants. Extreme social controls.


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-19 19:52:52 Reply

There's nothing wrong with "racist" jokes. I mean a joke can't truly be racist because it's a joke. Is the concept of a joke really so hard for people to understand?

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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-19 21:02:36 Reply

At 3/19/17 07:52 PM, DragonLimbo wrote: There's nothing wrong with "racist" jokes. I mean a joke can't truly be racist because it's a joke. Is the concept of a joke really so hard for people to understand?

Humor is pretty subjective. If you act like an ass and make a racist joke to someone and it actually genuinely hurts them, then yeah you'd be in the wrong.

However that shouldn't silence offensive humor. It's really a timing thing. There's a time and place for everything.

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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-20 08:51:15 Reply

no one takes this question seriously. even if you see merit in it, you know racism is not a mental illness. if you can define racism as a mental illness, you can define anything as a mental illness. racism is just a learned behavior and thought pattern. i take an inefficient way home from work because i learned the route and haven't bothered to learn a different one because i'm comfortable with it. according to the premise of the thread, i can be diagnosed with a mental illness based on that criteria. that's dumb.


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-20 13:12:00 Reply

Read this the other day, thought it might be instructive to discussion here.

I don't really think racism is a mental illness honestly. I don't think it presents enough of the traits. I agree with ultra that it is a learned behavior usually. It tends to stem from lack of information, or usually assumptions based on nothing (or occasionally based on something real, but then extrapolated out to a ridiculous degree. Like a case of "persons of this race statistically do more of a particular crime" turns into someone hearing that saying "oh, ok, so those people all do that crime because of some defect in them because of their race....I'll just go with that vs. looking into any other possible factor). It can also, like this article points out, stem from a lack of exposure to people who aren't like you, or don't share your background or core ideals (or just the perception that they don't). This really goes back again to something that's been troubling me for awhile now, the way that while the internet can open you up to the world, it can also be very good at allowing you to close off, and retreat into a comfortable bubble of ideas that simply reinforce your views and make you feel like they are inherently and undisputedly correct because you can close yourself off from other narratives and ideas and facts.


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-20 13:37:52 Reply

The way I define mental illness is abnormal feelings or behaviours generated as a result of deviations of relative concentrations of particular neurotransmitters.

It cannot be argued that racism is caused by any surplus or deficit of any neurotransmitters.

So its caused by opinions of people. It is a social disease, not a psychological one.


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At 3/19/17 09:02 PM, ThomasFang wrote:
At 3/19/17 07:52 PM, DragonLimbo wrote: There's nothing wrong with "racist" jokes. I mean a joke can't truly be racist because it's a joke. Is the concept of a joke really so hard for people to understand?
Humor is pretty subjective. If you act like an ass and make a racist joke to someone and it actually genuinely hurts them, then yeah you'd be in the wrong.

However, that shouldn't silence offensive humor. It's really a timing thing. There's a time and place for everything.

The part of humor that is subjective is if it's funny to you or not. What isn't subjective is if something is a joke. And no, it is not wrong to offend people. Someone's oversensitivity is their own problem that can't rightfully be blamed on the person that offended them.

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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-22 16:56:58 Reply

At 3/20/17 08:51 PM, DragonLimbo wrote:
At 3/19/17 09:02 PM, ThomasFang wrote:
At 3/19/17 07:52 PM, DragonLimbo wrote: There's nothing wrong with "racist" jokes. I mean a joke can't truly be racist because it's a joke. Is the concept of a joke really so hard for people to understand?
Humor is pretty subjective. If you act like an ass and make a racist joke to someone and it actually genuinely hurts them, then yeah you'd be in the wrong.

However, that shouldn't silence offensive humor. It's really a timing thing. There's a time and place for everything.
The part of humor that is subjective is if it's funny to you or not. What isn't subjective is if something is a joke. And no, it is not wrong to offend people. Someone's oversensitivity is their own problem that can't rightfully be blamed on the person that offended them.

Hold up man, I kinda disagree here. Totally disregarding that this is, at best, tangentially related to the core of OP's post.

I'll concede that over-sensitivity is dictated on a case by case basis; that is to say that if you're telling a bunch of racially/sexually charged jokes to a crowd and someone gets offended, well, that comes with the territory and can't be helped.

Where I disagree, however, is where you suggest that it can't be blamed on the person that offended them, even to a slight degree. I mean, there's a distinct difference between acknowledging that you had a role in offending someone and facing repercussions of offending someone.

I feel that if I tell a racist/sexist/whatever-ist joke to someone and they get offended, it's proper to acknowledge that and simply carry on. However, I believe that it's hideously awful if an individual gets the shit sued out of them or their entire lives upended because their joke was considered offensive.


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-22 19:41:17 Reply

At 3/22/17 04:56 PM, Porkchop wrote: Where I disagree, however, is where you suggest that it can't be blamed on the person that offended them, even to a slight degree. I mean, there's a distinct difference between acknowledging that you had a role in offending someone and facing repercussions of offending someone.

I feel that if I tell a racist/sexist/whatever-ist joke to someone and they get offended, it's proper to acknowledge that and simply carry on.

I'm not saying that they don't have a role in it, but that they shouldn't be "blamed." Which are two things you are conflating.

Is it proper to acknowledge that? What do you even mean? Do you mean to accept or admit? You don't have to admit if you offended someone.

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assign responsibility for a fault or wrong.

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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-22 20:24:27 Reply

At 3/22/17 07:41 PM, DragonLimbo wrote:
At 3/22/17 04:56 PM, Porkchop wrote: Where I disagree, however, is where you suggest that it can't be blamed on the person that offended them, even to a slight degree. I mean, there's a distinct difference between acknowledging that you had a role in offending someone and facing repercussions of offending someone.

I feel that if I tell a racist/sexist/whatever-ist joke to someone and they get offended, it's proper to acknowledge that and simply carry on.
I'm not saying that they don't have a role in it, but that they shouldn't be "blamed." Which are two things you are conflating.

Is it proper to acknowledge that? What do you even mean? Do you mean to accept or admit? You don't have to admit if you offended someone.

Blame:
assign responsibility for a fault or wrong.

You're right, mate. I see that I mixed up my stances a bit.

To wit, I don't feel that blame should be placed on somebody that offends.

I do feel that those that offend people with off-color jokes (like myself) should acknowledge when someone takes offense. 'Accept' and 'Admit', when used as a verb, means to acknowledge, but contextually, they hold different connotations. I misunderstood the point you were making.


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-22 20:50:51 Reply

Pretty sure humans are hard-wired to be more trusting of other humans that look like and act like them than the opposite.

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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-22 20:59:34 Reply

At 3/22/17 08:50 PM, Radaketor wrote: Pretty sure humans are hard-wired to be more trusting of other humans that look like and act like them than the opposite.

Then how come most people like their pets more than other people?


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-22 21:14:48 Reply

At 3/22/17 08:59 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
At 3/22/17 08:50 PM, Radaketor wrote: Pretty sure humans are hard-wired to be more trusting of other humans that look like and act like them than the opposite.
Then how come most people like their pets more than other people?

I'm white, if I had a little black guy who I pet every day, fed, cared for, picked-up their shit and played with, I think I'd grow attached to him as well. I certainly wouldn't go ahead and hug a rabid dog on the street, though.

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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-22 22:32:24 Reply

At 3/22/17 09:14 PM, Radaketor wrote:
I'm white.... I certainly wouldn't go ahead and hug a rabid dog on the street, though.

Make up your mind, are you white, or do you think dogs are disgusting?

Because if you won't let a dog kiss you in the mouth, you're not 100% all the way white, and you're going to have to accept that about yourself.


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-27 01:39:34 Reply

You cannot defeat racism. Ever. Even if you managed to, people are inherently tribalistic and would just fight over some other trivial reason. Is ignorance a mental illness? OP suffers from a severe lack of understanding of human psychology.


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