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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-18 00:09:27 Reply

At 3/17/17 11:42 PM, Xenomit wrote: If having common sense is all it takes for you to label someone as a "conservative" or as "alt right" then that's really telling of how far politically left you are, which I'm sure you think is a good thing. Everyone who's any amount to the right of you is not a right winger and apart of the alt right, I'm socially left. Just because I have common sense and can clearly understand that it's ridiculous to claim that racism is a mental illness does not mean that I'm conservative.

I agree that racism can't really be classified as a mental illness but this has less to do with that and more to do with the fact that your political vocabulary sounds like it was lifted from an Alex Jones podcast

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At 3/18/17 12:47 AM, Xenomit wrote:
At 3/18/17 12:09 AM, Entice wrote: I agree that racism can't really be classified as a mental illness but this has less to do with that and more to do with the fact that your political vocabulary sounds like it was lifted from an Alex Jones podcast
What did I say that can be considered "conservative vocabulary"?

Virtue signalling? That's just a word, no political side owns it. It's when someone signals their virtues to others to make them look morally superior and super ethical. It's just egotistical masturbation, and that's all the OP was, pandering to a liberal crowd by grandstanding with this "I'm so against racism I think it should be considered mental illness" message. It's honestly disgusting to see and I think it should be called out when it happens.

Uh, probably because you're always spitting poison at liberals every chance you get. If you had any common sense, you wouldn't ask silly question on why people think you're a conservative.

You know, just say that you are a libertarian, instead of a classic liberal, and everyone will know where you stand on things. People on the right will call you a liberal, and people on the left will call you a conservative, which all balances out to you not knowing what you want, other than being super vindictive, and anal, about the left, because they don't share your views.

I think this thread has officially run it's course.

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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-18 11:34:09 Reply

At 3/18/17 02:15 AM, Xenomit wrote:
Well, the shit that liberals claim and think these days is insane. You people can check my post history, I used to EXCLUSIVELY rail on republicans, and this was only 2 or 3 years ago. But at this point, liberals have gotten worse than republicans.

Meh, more like everyone is worse, but people can't see it in themselves, just in those around them. It's good old fashioned myopic misanthropy, nothing more.

Solipsism is alive and well. People know it's a dirty trick, but they don't know WHY, because the beauty of solipsism is that it's always by definition technically sound. Solipsistic arguments appear more correct than they actually are in ways that can only be proven in practice, but by that point the error becomes practical as well.

Whoever isn't in power blames those who are. When solipsism reigns free, the under dog always appears right, because only the over dog can be proven wrong.

I wouldn't say I'm vindictive and anal, I'm just opposing the views of the left. OP's view: Racism is a mental illness. Reality: That's insane to genuinely consider that a possibility. Me pointing that out isn't me being hateful to the left, that's just me making an observation.

I never said racism was a mental illness. It's up for debate. I'm admitting it's a grey area, and trying to hash it out. This has nothing to do with existing political dogmas; it has to do with what appears to be an exploit to the logic centers of the human mind. If I were to be pointing out a design flaw in Windows 10 that made it insecure, I'd be a hero. But if I point out a design flaw in the the human mind that makes it insecure, I'm a cunt. But if I keep it secret and exploit it using solipsism, I'm not?


As for "conservative vocabulary" I still don't know what words I used that make me seem like a conservative.

Stereotypes suck. Your language shouldn't be monitored for political affiliation as a matter superior to monitoring it for logical soundness. You message should be read for what it is, not what it can solipsistically be made out to be.

And fuck Spin Doctors, just in general.


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At 3/18/17 02:15 AM, Xenomit wrote:
At 3/18/17 02:02 AM, EdyKel wrote: Uh, probably because you're always spitting poison at liberals every chance you get.
Well, the shit that liberals claim and think these days is insane. You people can check my post history, I used to EXCLUSIVELY rail on republicans, and this was only 2 or 3 years ago. But at this point, liberals have gotten worse than republicans.

Huh, why should anyone waste time looking through thousands of of your posts looking to see where you stand on things? Do you think you are that important to warrant that amount of time waste?

And, I ignore a lot of things liberal say, and focouse on what actually matters to me, and could affect me and others.

other than being super vindictive, and anal, about the left, because they don't share your views.
I wouldn't say I'm vindictive and anal, I'm just opposing the views of the left. OP's view: Racism is a mental illness. Reality: That's insane to genuinely consider that a possibility. Me pointing that out isn't me being hateful to the left, that's just me making an observation.

As for "conservative vocabulary" I still don't know what words I used that make me seem like a conservative.

Let's see.... You went off on this topic at full guns a'blazing at liberals, when it wasn't specifically about them, because you were sure they were overreacting, and making false assumptions, over a question that may seem to you to have an obvious answer.

You may be right that racism is not a mental illness, but that doesn't mean you should discount it entirely. To do so would make you no different than the people you're going after for doing what you see as doing the same thing.

Personally, I'm not going to say that everyone who is racist has a mental illness. After all, it's often just a preference, no different than liking or hating something. But there are people out there who go beyond just merely hating something to the point it becomes abnormal, and extreme, and can manifest itself into obsession, and possibly violence, towards others.

According to the American Psychiatric Association: "Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in thinking, emotion or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities."

I'm no expert on any of this, and I doubt that anyone here is also. But the topic discussion was just little more than a healthy discussion over something, which had no far reaching consequences for anyone. Yet, you used it as an excuse to go after liberals who didn't think your way.

You may not think you are a conservative, or see why people could call you that, but you haven't shown us that you aren't, other than telling us that we are wrong. You have had plenty of chances to join in other discussion about the huge conservative clusterfuck in Washington, and you seem to ignore that to focouse on hating liberals. It doesn't take much common sense why people see you as anything but a conservative.

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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-18 14:20:52 Reply

Wait a minute, what's wrong with being alt-right or alt-left? As far as I can see it doesn't hurt anybody to be uber wingers (besides their own sanity) and the benefits outweigh the cons, the benefits being we get nourishing lolcow milk from their nuclear meltdowns on Twitter.

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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-18 14:56:50 Reply

Well considering that most of psychiatry is complete bullshit then no it's not a disorder or an illness.
The DSM started out as a military handbook and has no scientific evidence to back up it's statements. There's no proof that any of these disorders actually exist in the first place. It's more about healthcare fraud and medicinal malpractice for the most part.


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-18 19:10:33 Reply

At 3/17/17 11:42 PM, Xenomit wrote: If having common sense is all it takes for you to label someone as a "conservative" or as "alt right" then that's really telling of how far politically left you are, which I'm sure you think is a good thing.

No, I came to that conclusion based on two things:

1. You ALWAYS advocate for Conservative positions, never Liberal ones that I've ever seen.

2. You have called me a "cuck" and other alt right terms, and considering your obvious dislike of certain ethnic groups, it seems to me White Nationalism (which is what the alt right is built on) would hold some appeal for you.

Based on these things, and Occam's Razor, it makes me think you're a conservative that just won't own it for whatever reason. Has absolutely nothing to do with my political biases whatsoever.


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At 3/18/17 02:20 PM, Sause wrote: Wait a minute, what's wrong with being alt-right or alt-left? As far as I can see it doesn't hurt anybody to be uber wingers (besides their own sanity) and the benefits outweigh the cons, the benefits being we get nourishing lolcow milk from their nuclear meltdowns on Twitter.

I almost replied to you seriously....then I caught the sarcasm....we probably will never agree on anything politically. But I'm really enjoying the tone of your posts lately.


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-18 20:37:50 Reply

At 3/18/17 07:58 PM, Xenomit wrote:
At 3/18/17 07:10 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: 1. You ALWAYS advocate for Conservative positions, never Liberal ones that I've ever seen.
Go back and look at my older posts. I ALWAYS advocated for the liberal positions, never any conservative ones.

Careful now, you are a guns rights person, too. That's not liberal!


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-18 20:57:19 Reply

I like where this thread is heading.

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At 3/18/17 08:37 PM, TylerFromTexas wrote:
Careful now, you are a guns rights person, too. That's not liberal!

Gun rights are civil rights. Being pro-gun is a liberal position.

Don't let the nuspeek fool you. The world liberal is a synonym for permissive, derived from the word liberty.

The phrase "Because FREEDOM, that's why" is an extemely liberal phrase.


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At 3/18/17 09:05 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
At 3/18/17 08:37 PM, TylerFromTexas wrote:
Careful now, you are a guns rights person, too. That's not liberal!
Gun rights are civil rights. Being pro-gun is a liberal position.

Being pro-gun has been a conservative position for quite a while here in the United States. Just about every liberal in the US wants gun control, while just about every conservative in the US wants little to no gun control at all.


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At 3/18/17 07:58 PM, Xenomit wrote: Go back and look at my older posts. I ALWAYS advocated for the liberal positions, never any conservative ones.

Oh, because people never change? Shit, I forgot about that....oh wait...

That isn't an "alt right" term.

Yes it is.

In the common vernacular these days, it just means someone who either hates their own race, or is vehemently defensive of other people and gets extremely offended on behalf of others.

No, it is not "common vernacular" I had to look it up, because I had never heard it, not once, never until the rise of the alt right and this election, and until folks like you started throwing it around here or using it to describe me. Also it does NOT mean that. Because it's root is from "cucking" the practice where a man watches his wife be fucked by another man (usually a large black man). This is a term that of course would be thought up by a group that's White Nationalist in nature. Stop treating me like I'm stupid, and I'll try to pay you the same respect please and thank you.

Muslims aren't an ethnic group. They're a religious group.

My mistake. I really need to learn to use the more general "prejudice".

If all muslims were white, I'd hate the religion just as much, just like I abhor christianity. Like I said earlier, go back to my older posts and you'll see thousands of posts of my railing on christianity, and rarely mentioning islam in any way. It's not a race thing, it's an ideology thing, and the fact that you try so hard to MAKE it about race shows me how weak you know your arguments in favor of islam are.

We're not talking about Islam here, nor have we ever really done so in the past. I've simply asked you (and sometimes done a little more then that) asking you not to be so openly hostile to a group of people that want to enjoy and support the site. Especially since with your statements over in chat and elsewhere that being malicious and trolling hard for a certain part of the year to win "troll of the year" is about the shittiest reason I know for potentially driving people away from the site.

Nationalism is just the opposite of globalism. One wants a small independent government, the other wants a global god damn super government.

Not exactly. Nationalism also tends towards anti-immigration stances as well, which is how it usually dovetails into racist, and other prejudicial belief systems. Since you have a bias against all religions as you've pointed out here, that sort of goes to my point of why you might like the current right wing nationalism that's rising.

If you knew how hard I've fought against religion in schools and rights for gay people, you'd find it literally impossible to label me a conservative.

Maybe you should try talking about that more here instead of the prejudice stuff that makes you seem more right wing then.

Woe is me, politically center. Hated by both sides for being a sane human being.

Yeah....that isn't why. It's the name calling, the shitting on certain groups for just existing, and trolling and being an ass. That's the reason dude.


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-19 00:27:12 Reply

At 3/18/17 11:53 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: Republicans -> pro gun

Conservatives -> pro what has been around

Liberals -> pro freedom

pro-life -> disapprove of a tool for killing people?

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At 3/18/17 11:53 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:
Republicans -> pro gun

Conservatives -> pro what has been around

Liberals -> pro freedom

So you can be a liberal as far as gun rights go, a conservative AND a republican. Did I just blow your mind? Well guess what, if you believe the government can make progress on gun freedom through policy you might just be a progressive too!

Ok, but it still doesn't change the fact that those who call themselves "liberals" are not in favor of what pro-gun advocates want. If we're arguing on very technical definition, then sure, whatever. But we're in an environment where liberals want stricter gun control (or even outright ban certain guns), while those who call themselves conservatives wants as much gun rights as possible. I'm talking about a group of people who define themselves as such.

I have yet to meet someone who's incredibly liberal, be a proud supporter of the NRA, hates the idea of stricter gun control, and say "gun rights are what liberals want, not conservatives!".


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I consider it to be synonymous with stupidity. The mere concept that skin color or country of origin could have any form of direct effect on ones personality, intelligence or really any kind of personal traits is insanely fucking stupid and frankly I don't consider those who believe that kind of bullshit to be fully sentient beings.


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I have a camo hat I like to wear just because people treat me completely differently when I put it on.

Nothing about me changes as a person, yet people perceive me completely differently.

The shit is a better exploit than fucking quote text.

and quote text is super awesome for subliminal messages, especially when someone doesn't read it before they hit reply

Now imagine how much more differently people would treat me if I could not just change the color of my hat, but the color of my skin and hair, even though that has absolutely zero effect on my moral and intellectual qualities? It makes you start to think that maybe people are crazy and easily manipulated.

You know, mentally ill.

Like @tylerfromtexas , who is astounded that a word derived from liberty to describe someone who loves freedom is a pejorative term used to describe those who would like extreme social controls, all because of exactly this sort of bait and switch, where you put a camo hat on old Imperial system and call it freedom.


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There's nothing wrong with "racist" jokes. I mean a joke can't truly be racist because it's a joke. Is the concept of a joke really so hard for people to understand?

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At 3/19/17 07:52 PM, DragonLimbo wrote: There's nothing wrong with "racist" jokes. I mean a joke can't truly be racist because it's a joke. Is the concept of a joke really so hard for people to understand?

Humor is pretty subjective. If you act like an ass and make a racist joke to someone and it actually genuinely hurts them, then yeah you'd be in the wrong.

However that shouldn't silence offensive humor. It's really a timing thing. There's a time and place for everything.

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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-20 08:51:15 Reply

no one takes this question seriously. even if you see merit in it, you know racism is not a mental illness. if you can define racism as a mental illness, you can define anything as a mental illness. racism is just a learned behavior and thought pattern. i take an inefficient way home from work because i learned the route and haven't bothered to learn a different one because i'm comfortable with it. according to the premise of the thread, i can be diagnosed with a mental illness based on that criteria. that's dumb.


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-20 13:12:00 Reply

Read this the other day, thought it might be instructive to discussion here.

I don't really think racism is a mental illness honestly. I don't think it presents enough of the traits. I agree with ultra that it is a learned behavior usually. It tends to stem from lack of information, or usually assumptions based on nothing (or occasionally based on something real, but then extrapolated out to a ridiculous degree. Like a case of "persons of this race statistically do more of a particular crime" turns into someone hearing that saying "oh, ok, so those people all do that crime because of some defect in them because of their race....I'll just go with that vs. looking into any other possible factor). It can also, like this article points out, stem from a lack of exposure to people who aren't like you, or don't share your background or core ideals (or just the perception that they don't). This really goes back again to something that's been troubling me for awhile now, the way that while the internet can open you up to the world, it can also be very good at allowing you to close off, and retreat into a comfortable bubble of ideas that simply reinforce your views and make you feel like they are inherently and undisputedly correct because you can close yourself off from other narratives and ideas and facts.


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The way I define mental illness is abnormal feelings or behaviours generated as a result of deviations of relative concentrations of particular neurotransmitters.

It cannot be argued that racism is caused by any surplus or deficit of any neurotransmitters.

So its caused by opinions of people. It is a social disease, not a psychological one.


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At 3/19/17 09:02 PM, ThomasFang wrote:
At 3/19/17 07:52 PM, DragonLimbo wrote: There's nothing wrong with "racist" jokes. I mean a joke can't truly be racist because it's a joke. Is the concept of a joke really so hard for people to understand?
Humor is pretty subjective. If you act like an ass and make a racist joke to someone and it actually genuinely hurts them, then yeah you'd be in the wrong.

However, that shouldn't silence offensive humor. It's really a timing thing. There's a time and place for everything.

The part of humor that is subjective is if it's funny to you or not. What isn't subjective is if something is a joke. And no, it is not wrong to offend people. Someone's oversensitivity is their own problem that can't rightfully be blamed on the person that offended them.

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At 3/20/17 08:51 PM, DragonLimbo wrote:
At 3/19/17 09:02 PM, ThomasFang wrote:
At 3/19/17 07:52 PM, DragonLimbo wrote: There's nothing wrong with "racist" jokes. I mean a joke can't truly be racist because it's a joke. Is the concept of a joke really so hard for people to understand?
Humor is pretty subjective. If you act like an ass and make a racist joke to someone and it actually genuinely hurts them, then yeah you'd be in the wrong.

However, that shouldn't silence offensive humor. It's really a timing thing. There's a time and place for everything.
The part of humor that is subjective is if it's funny to you or not. What isn't subjective is if something is a joke. And no, it is not wrong to offend people. Someone's oversensitivity is their own problem that can't rightfully be blamed on the person that offended them.

Hold up man, I kinda disagree here. Totally disregarding that this is, at best, tangentially related to the core of OP's post.

I'll concede that over-sensitivity is dictated on a case by case basis; that is to say that if you're telling a bunch of racially/sexually charged jokes to a crowd and someone gets offended, well, that comes with the territory and can't be helped.

Where I disagree, however, is where you suggest that it can't be blamed on the person that offended them, even to a slight degree. I mean, there's a distinct difference between acknowledging that you had a role in offending someone and facing repercussions of offending someone.

I feel that if I tell a racist/sexist/whatever-ist joke to someone and they get offended, it's proper to acknowledge that and simply carry on. However, I believe that it's hideously awful if an individual gets the shit sued out of them or their entire lives upended because their joke was considered offensive.


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At 3/22/17 04:56 PM, Porkchop wrote: Where I disagree, however, is where you suggest that it can't be blamed on the person that offended them, even to a slight degree. I mean, there's a distinct difference between acknowledging that you had a role in offending someone and facing repercussions of offending someone.

I feel that if I tell a racist/sexist/whatever-ist joke to someone and they get offended, it's proper to acknowledge that and simply carry on.

I'm not saying that they don't have a role in it, but that they shouldn't be "blamed." Which are two things you are conflating.

Is it proper to acknowledge that? What do you even mean? Do you mean to accept or admit? You don't have to admit if you offended someone.

Blame:
assign responsibility for a fault or wrong.

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At 3/22/17 07:41 PM, DragonLimbo wrote:
At 3/22/17 04:56 PM, Porkchop wrote: Where I disagree, however, is where you suggest that it can't be blamed on the person that offended them, even to a slight degree. I mean, there's a distinct difference between acknowledging that you had a role in offending someone and facing repercussions of offending someone.

I feel that if I tell a racist/sexist/whatever-ist joke to someone and they get offended, it's proper to acknowledge that and simply carry on.
I'm not saying that they don't have a role in it, but that they shouldn't be "blamed." Which are two things you are conflating.

Is it proper to acknowledge that? What do you even mean? Do you mean to accept or admit? You don't have to admit if you offended someone.

Blame:
assign responsibility for a fault or wrong.

You're right, mate. I see that I mixed up my stances a bit.

To wit, I don't feel that blame should be placed on somebody that offends.

I do feel that those that offend people with off-color jokes (like myself) should acknowledge when someone takes offense. 'Accept' and 'Admit', when used as a verb, means to acknowledge, but contextually, they hold different connotations. I misunderstood the point you were making.


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Pretty sure humans are hard-wired to be more trusting of other humans that look like and act like them than the opposite.

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At 3/22/17 08:50 PM, Radaketor wrote: Pretty sure humans are hard-wired to be more trusting of other humans that look like and act like them than the opposite.

Then how come most people like their pets more than other people?


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Response to Is racism a mental illness. 2017-03-22 21:14:48 Reply

At 3/22/17 08:59 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
At 3/22/17 08:50 PM, Radaketor wrote: Pretty sure humans are hard-wired to be more trusting of other humans that look like and act like them than the opposite.
Then how come most people like their pets more than other people?

I'm white, if I had a little black guy who I pet every day, fed, cared for, picked-up their shit and played with, I think I'd grow attached to him as well. I certainly wouldn't go ahead and hug a rabid dog on the street, though.

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At 3/22/17 09:14 PM, Radaketor wrote:
I'm white.... I certainly wouldn't go ahead and hug a rabid dog on the street, though.

Make up your mind, are you white, or do you think dogs are disgusting?

Because if you won't let a dog kiss you in the mouth, you're not 100% all the way white, and you're going to have to accept that about yourself.


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