At 11/15/16 05:11 AM, Hacklyn wrote:At 11/15/16 02:13 AM, Zero2562130 wrote:The focus is on the men because their voice is rarely ever heard, considered, or given the benefit of the doubt. The results are disastrous, and the claims of the accuser are always held higher than the plaintiff's defense. This is why grilling of accusers exists: To balance out the disposition of believing the accuser because they are often weaker, crying, and female.We're not saying that false accusations aren't bad and don't make a mess of things. We're not saying false accusations don't ruin lives, we are saying that this is why rape crimes need to be investigated appropriately so that we can know who's who. Right now we can't distinguish between false accusers and actual rape victims who won't go to court because the entire process is shit. So no, keeping the system this way doesn't help anyone solely because it's not possible that they're all false accusers and because it makes people want to not report the crime, or not go through with the process, so we'd never be able to distinguish the false accusers anyway. So in this take too, the way rape victims are dealt with needs to improve anyway.
No, you're just saying that they don't matter because the number is (Supposedly) smaller, despite the fact that the results are ruinous and permanent. While the process is evidently faulty, the questions asked to possible rape victims are still a step in the right direction in terms of fair treatment. To do away with this is to let false rape accusers get away with ruining innocent lives, something that the cunt who started this shit thread obviously has no qualms about. That's ultimately their poor decision, and won't help them or the system as a whole.
Hey, here's a thought: If you care about rape victims so much, then how about throwing a bone to the male ones that aren't given a double-take because of bullshit rhetoric like yours and people like you? You know: "Men can't be raped, he enjoyed it, he's a player/baller/pimp, etc.".It's rape culture, the idea that men are magically immune to rape. They're not and don't deserve this equivalent of "why didn't you keep your knees together?" or "What was his penis size? It's a factor because you may be lying and could have asked for it because you liked it."
There's no such thing as rape culture. A rape culture implies that rape is both fostered and encouraged in a society, something that isn't true in the slightest. What is true, however, is that shitheel "comediennes" like the ones I mentioned pride themselves as beacons of progress despite getting away with rape themselves, bragging about it, and making the entire situation worse in the process. See: Amy Schumer bragging about raping a drunk guy even though she was sober, Lena Dunham stating that her rapist was a Power Rangers villain and sickeningly attempting to justify sexually abusing her little sister over the years, etc, etc, etc. And since I know some people are going to mention the Ohio middle/high school case and Penn State: They're not trying to help the rapists get away with it or encourage more of it, they're trying to protect the inevitable downfall of their schools' reputations. A lost cause, admittingly, but that's the truth.
(See the trouble the last question has? Penis size = wanted it.)
No, we're prevailers of justice for those that aren't given the benefit of the doubt and proper treatment that they deserve...The issue is, sure you can have the benefit of the doubt, but the victim in the cases of the other thread could easily have been, to make it understandable, a male. Then what? He couldn't have been a false accuser? Does he deserve those questions after the stats and the stigma we know he'd face? Or do we treat only male victims specially? It has to be fair because it's justice. And you still have to take into account rape culture, trauma and how the system isn't working as it should.
Oh, he definitely could've been, but people will ultimately think that he's just whining/lying/enjoyed it because of the natural biological expectations of men and women, which is not the same thing as the rape culture conspiracy that keeps cropping up in subjects like these that only make the situation worse. If the man in question is a false rape accuser, then yes, he deserves the worst kind of treatment the world has to offer, same case if it's a woman. As a matter of fact, they deserve to be actually raped for attempting to ruin someone else's life, but of course, such a measure would never be ratified. There needs to be better treatment for male victims because of people's natural disposition to cases like those; help for male victims is almost non-existent. Once again: Rape culture doesn't exist, trauma can be faked, and while the system is far from perfect, your suggestions will only make it worse.
Don't delude yourself any further than you already have, kid; us defenders of those wrongly accused never forget, despite society's attempt to do so and broken condoms like yourself claiming that they don't matter.Sure, but there's a reason why you have to hear it all out and why a proper due process must be protected, regardless of rape culture rhetoric. It's so that there is justice for all not just the focus on protection from false accusers.
No such thing as rape culture, and that's the thing: The entire story is often not heard, and broken fucktoys like the OP clearly don't mind so long as it's in the favor of their gender. A larger focus needs to be put on protection from false accusers because of the greater, far-reaching implications and lack of help for those that did not commit the crime.
The rape culture version of "protection from false accusers" enables lawyers to ask "legit" questions "Well, you know what? I'm gonna say you liked it because "insert rape culture rhetoric here" so it wasn't rape." Basically it all dissolves to "proof aside we don't want to believe you and will set you up by traumatizing you and asking "legit" questions." Then accusers either drops the case, never accuse, or, er, finish trauma. That is how a rape case in court is dealt with.
There can't be a rape culture version of anything because rape culture is not real. And the questions are legitimate because it helps to understand such situations far better than if they were absent. In some cases, the lawyers would be right, e.g. when both parties were drunk and ended up having sex but one party accused the other of rape because she happened to regret the decision, regardless of the fact that neither were thinking straight or in the right state of mind. Those legit questions aren't traumatic and negative responses to them can be faked, so this particular argument against them because of the latter is just as worthless as the rest. Putting the alleged victims on blast is far more productive and progressive than should they be absent, because without them, false rape accusers will get away with their crimes at an even greater rate.