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I don't know of any uses for my FAL to be 3sb. The only three weapons I could think of EVER needed it are: Sub-gun, AK-74, M-16. Even the US Army tends not to use it.

Smart man.

Full auto....only serves one purpose. It is only used in CQB enviornments. (ie why it is illegal)

Its highly inaccurate and uncontrolable in an outdoor setting.

Give me a semi auto FAL any day and I'll drop a criminal who has full auto. 1 shot. Semi auto is way better than full auto.

Screw full auto i dont want it anyways.

What most people don't realize.
Criminals will always beable to get weapons if they want.
If they can't get guns.

They will plant bombs. You can make a bomb at your house using just about anything. I garuntee a bomb will kill far more than any type of assault weapon. END OF STORY.

Don't disarm the good people.
Instead. Make a licensing system where you have to take classes similar to drivers education. You don't just give a 16 year old a car....he might accidently kill someone.

I was taught how to handle weapons from a young age. They simply are not dangerous....unless in the hands of an uneducated person.

Did you know that this country spends more money on alcohol and tobacco than we do on education!!!

Good points Palm. We need EDUCATION! NOT REGISTRATION! Hey... I like that... :P

i read alot of the replys.. one thing i noticed was most people who want the AWB and are anti gun think assult weapons are machine guns.. infact THEY ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE.. they may look the similar but look on the BATF website atf.gov and look what a machine gun is and what an assult weapon is... hell they aint even reguated under the same laws... machine guns have been regulated since 1934 and again in 1986, assult weapons in 1994... an assult rifle IS NOT FULL AUTO and it is illegal to convert an "assult rifle" full auto... a mini 14 is not an assult rifle... but yet they shoot the same round ans an ar-15.... and some magazines even interchange between the 2 rifles(the ram-line comes to mind)

if you think guns cause violence YOUR WRONG...

a few quotes from 2 your "gun toating" ranting Gryphon

"when are you morons gonna learn that violence is in the people NOT THE WEAPONS,take away guns and they'll stab each other,take away the knifes and they'll throw drain-o on each other, take away the drain-o and they'll gag each other with 18in. dildos..."

"maybe in a couple 100 years you'll figure out that if you wanna stop the violence your gonna have to stop the hate, NOT GUNS OR KNIVES,untill people can learn to love each other their gonna find a to kill each other, thats just the way it is"

"You can't kill a weed by cutting off the top alright, you have to get to the root.Take all you anti gun energy, and put it into anti violence insted...THERE IS A DIFFRENCE,Insted of preventing people from hurting each other even though they want to,Why not try to help people not want to hurt each other in the first place"

rant mode...off

Welcome to what I have dealt with for the past month. I have quoted numerous times what the law is and is not. People just tend to ignore and/or sidestep you and say: "Guns are bad.... because."

At 7/31/04 01:54 AM, Spookshow wrote:

"Guns are bad.... because."

They are only as dangerous as this dude holding the trigger

Don't you hate it when people just don't listen? It's like you say assault rifle and instantly this picture of a person with a fully automatic AK-47 shooting up a school pops into their head. And of course that AK can't be bought anywhere but the local gun store, so banning guns would make it impossible to do. So he would turn out to be a model citizen and a Big Brother, and maybe even join the Peace Corp after curing AIDS and cancer.

Don't forget:

Pangea will be found.
True world peace.
Bill Clinton will give up smoking.:P

I thought those went without saying.

At 7/31/04 02:04 AM, Gunter45 wrote: I thought those went without saying.

Could'nt think of much else in 10 seconds. Due to a traffic crash I helped at. Kind of tired.

At 6/21/04 06:39 PM, GDevlin77 wrote: If you really want to use assault rifles so badly why don't you join the army?

If you dont like assult rifles then wht dont you get off this site,I see nothing wrong with owning an assult rifle it is no more dangerous than any other gun you can buy on the market.You can purchase high capacity magazines for handguns you can take the plugs out of your shotguns,yes they where designed for military use but these are not fully automatic weapons.I own a couple of them and my uses for them are 1. go to the range and target shoot at long range2.use it to hunt wild pigs as they are destructive to crops and farm land as well as public land such as a golf course3.they are just fun to shoot.If you take a poll I bet you out of all the people ever killed with the exception of war that less than 15% of all deaths have been from an assult rifle most people wont pay the grand they cost and most of them are .223 caliber some are .30 though.people who rob banks use cheaps gune sks's and ak47s they are not american made rifles they are foriegn built and they are crap they are all just cheap entertainment,so you can empty a 30 round clip in less than 6 seconds It is fun a they a reasonably cheap to shoot,that is why people own them it is not to be of the destructive nature and go hold up a convenience store that would look a litte obvious to get out of the car with an assult rifle and walk into a store or bank,so p;ease for future use if you dont know what you are talking about and have never been around guns period then think before you speak.It doesnt matter what we do as a nation the bad guys will always be able to get their hands on these kinds of guns,the harder we make them to own the easier the crooks get them.

Wow, ricky, you made yourself look like a complete dumbass on your first post...might be a record in that. Get off the site if you don't like assault rifles? WTF? This is not a pro-gun or anti-gun website. There's no reason someone who dosen't like assault weapons can't voice their displeasure with them, just like there's no reason someone who does like them can't do the same. Me personally? I'd rather see less guns on the street, yes, it's not the gun that makes people violent, but it IS a tool that helps allow people to commit violence. So anything that will help keep weapons out of bad people's hands, I'm all for.

At 7/15/04 05:01 PM, thekinman wrote: dude, we all need assault weapons. when Bush takes over and goes all Nazi, we need to be able to put up a resistance

explane to me how bush is a nazi?

At 7/31/04 03:35 PM, mabzie wrote: explane to me how bush is a nazi?

Explain to me how you are "52" and you are unable to spell "explain"

Why do we need guns? Why? Guns may not cause violence but they sure as hell promote them. Civilians do not need assault weapons, nor any gun. Take a self-defense class, you lazy shmucks.

Well the thing is the guns are already out there... So we better get used to the idea.

At 7/31/04 11:06 PM, GOOIE wrote:

At 7/31/04 03:35 PM, mabzie wrote: explane to me how bush is a nazi?

Explain to me how you are "52" and you are unable to spell "explain"

What's wrong with being 52? I mistype words all the time.

Why do we need guns? Why?

Self defense.
Hunting.
Sport.
Competition.
Being ABLE to fight back against the government. If you don't like then, again fine. But I do and I think I should be able to get them. Even if the government should ban guns, do you think everyone will just up and turn them in? Also, don't you think the people should be able to fight a tyrannical government? Almost every genocide has begun with disarmerment.

Guns may not cause violence but they sure as hell promote them. Civilians do not need assault weapons, nor any gun. Take a self-defense class, you lazy shmucks.

Even the greatest martial sp* arts master cannot defend against every attack. Also there are more reasons than self defense. Plus it's just plain fun.

Self defense needs no firearms

Spookshow, if the government wanted to take away our rights and rule us as our unquestioned masters right this second, they could. Even if every man woman and child in this country was armed, I believe they could...why? Because they have tanks, bombs, planes, and a highly trained military who can use this shit, the government can stomp the holy high hell out of the citizens any time they want really, so saying "we need guns cause our having guns keeps the government from taking our rights away" is a totally illogical arguement because as I just pointed out, they are infinitely better equipped then you are.

At 8/1/04 01:25 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Spookshow, if the government wanted to take away our rights and rule us as our unquestioned masters right this second, they could. Even if every man woman and child in this country was armed, I believe they could...why? Because they have tanks, bombs, planes, and a highly trained military who can use this shit, the government can stomp the holy high hell out of the citizens any time they want really, so saying "we need guns cause our having guns keeps the government from taking our rights away" is a totally illogical arguement because as I just pointed out, they are infinitely better equipped then you are.

Ever heard of Afghanistan?

Plus the military generally sides with us, so why would they kill innocent civilians. This country has become too divided. I am sorry to see it this way. I understand why people have different views but I don't hurt anyone with my firearms, why should they be banned? Also self defense does in some cases require firearms. Ever heard of a home invasion? Try calling the police if you can even get to the phone.

for you people who say "just take a self defence class"

haha thats funny.. all the martial arts in the world wont help you if someone else has a machete,or other big knife, or a gun.... criminals WILL HAVE GUNS NO MATTER WHAT..if YOU have a gun you may have a fighting chance against a criminal who has a gun... anyways most drugs in the states are illegal but yet somehow they still still turn up EVERYWHERE.. it would be the same for guns...

take a guess which house a criminal would rather break into, a house with a pansy ass anti gun freak who hides under the bed with a phone during a break in.. or someone who will take a gun and and point it right in the criminals face with the hammer back ready to fire if need be.... i REALLY doubt ANY criminal in there right mind would break into a house which the owner is armed...

think about it

A shotgun in the hand, is worth two cell phones in the nightstand drawer. :P

He has a point though. The bullets from a firearms would travel infinitely faster than any police vehicle.

At 7/30/04 06:48 AM, Spookshow wrote:

At 7/30/04 02:47 AM, Einzelgaenger wrote:

Illegal

usually

Always for a private individual.

unless said individual gets an FFL

Hard as heck

wrong, conversion for, example, an AR15 to an M16 is 1 part, that's all, maybe 2 if you want A2 trigger set. it is not hard

Actually:

Hammer, sear, trigger, bolt carrier several springs. Not to mention the new recievers they use. And we were talking about AKs anyway.

i guess i stand partially corrected, but that still isn't that much of a parts list.

Dangerous

not really

So screwing with a weapons firing system is safe?

just one simple change isn't dangerous as long as it's done properly. Anyway, changing this system is not liable to make the gun blow up in yourhand. so no, it's not really dangerous.

It offers NO advantages.

not quite true... a 3 round burst has it's uses, but in general yes

I don't know of any uses for my FAL to be 3sb. The only three weapons I could think of EVER needed it are: Sub-gun, AK-74, M-16. Even the US Army tends not to use it.

i didn't say that it's very useful in an FAL. 7.62 isn't a good full-auto round in a light weapon. you were talking about the AK at the time, so i said it could be useful, which it can be in an assault rifle.

At 8/1/04 08:29 AM, Einzelgaenger wrote: unless said individual gets an FFL

An individual cannot get a Class 3 FFL with ease. It takes certain things such as a certain kind of safe, licenses, moeny, forms,etc.

i guess i stand partially corrected, but that still isn't that much of a parts list.

Considering you need a new reciever unless you find the older kits, it would be like getting a whole new gun.

just one simple change isn't dangerous as long as it's done properly. Anyway, changing this system is not liable to make the gun blow up in yourhand. so no, it's not really dangerous.

Slam fires, people not ready for the increase firing rate, the recievers not being able to handle to increased firing rate, barrel melt down, etc. Changing the firing system of an AK-47 requires drilling and parts fitting. The average individual is not readily capable of doing such things safely.

not quite true... a 3 round burst has it's uses, but in general yes

Only for light rounds for increasing leathality.

i didn't say that it's very useful in an FAL. 7.62 isn't a good full-auto round in a light weapon. you were talking about the AK at the time, so i said it could be useful, which it can be in an assault rifle.

Even three-shot burst has the same qualities. Even the AK tends to climb. It can be controlled but it was never an accurate weapon anyways.

For a home invasion situation a shotgun might be best seeing as it's a terrific short range weapon and a bit less likely to send rounds through multiple walls and cause collateral damage

A shotgun is definately the best home defense weapon. Besides a flamethrower, you can't beat a shotgun for sheer close-range killing power, and besides, flamethrowers are illegal, dangerous, would burn your house down, and meant for depleting oxygen in pillboxes anyway.

At 8/1/04 10:32 PM, Gunter45 wrote: A shotgun is definately the best home defense weapon. Besides a flamethrower, you can't beat a shotgun for sheer close-range killing power, and besides, flamethrowers are illegal, dangerous, would burn your house down, and meant for depleting oxygen in pillboxes anyway.

I dunno, a Desert Eagle with more than just 7 bullets would pretty damn dngerous, its got better range, accuracy and much more power than a shotgun, though it just doesnt have the spray and the punch of a shotgun.

At 8/1/04 10:34 PM, Camarohusky wrote: I dunno, a Desert Eagle with more than just 7 bullets would pretty damn dngerous, its got better range, accuracy and much more power than a shotgun, though it just doesnt have the spray and the punch of a shotgun.

Which is why a shotgun is more effective close range. Desert Eagles are more of a long range pistol anyway. The Israeli's invented them to punch through tank armor, and I don't think any burglar is going to have level 3 body armor. You can even buy a barrel lengthener and a scope with one of those things and snipe with it.

I have to agree with some and disagree with others. My 12 gauge loaded alternately with 00 Buck and Discarding sabot slugs is a bit deadlier. I can have faster follow up shots, with less pain and I can also use it as a deterrent and melee if I have to. There is nothing scarier than hearing the massive "shick-shick" of a shotgun being pumped.

At 8/2/04 12:16 AM, Spookshow wrote:

My 12 gauge loaded alternately with 00 Buck and Discarding sabot slugs is a bit deadlier.<snip> There is nothing scarier than hearing the massive "shick-shick" of a shotgun being pumped.

Yup, excellent prep for problems in close

Out to 100 yards (with slugs). A .223 is only good to maybe 250. Also if you go to court, excessive force is a good factor for weapons choice.

Yeah! You think?