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It is completely nescasary (or however you spell it) when you walk down the street, you shouldn't have to worry if your gonna get shot or not, too many people die by handguns, rifles, sub-machine guns etc. a year, in the U.S. we have the most gun casualties in probablly the whole world (not counting wars.)

So, is it because Americans have very small dicks, or very small intellects that they need a very big gun to make them feel like a man?

At 9/10/04 03:18 PM, grand_retard wrote: So, is it because Americans have very small dicks, or very small intellects that they need a very big gun to make them feel like a man?

Yes, I DO have a very small dick. And a very large gun . Lots of guns. And, I could care less what you think about small-dicked people with big guns, because, unlike you, I don't measure my manhood by the size of my penis of how many fatherless children I create. I measure it by how well I take care of my family and how good of a citizen I am.

At 9/10/04 04:05 PM, Tal-con wrote:

At 6/21/04 04:55 PM, mabzie wrote: its pointless.

Why is it pointless? We don't need assault weapons... why, so we can kill people faster? Yeah, that's exactly what we need.

Why do you have bad thoughts about good people??? Why do you automatically think anybody with a "assault" weapon has bad intentions??? YOU probably don't need 80 percent of what you own, but you have it, no matter. Is there a needs-based test we need to pass in order to own something???? Did I miss something in the constitution that requires me to have permission to own something???

At 9/10/04 04:05 PM, Tal-con wrote:

At 6/21/04 04:55 PM, mabzie wrote: its pointless.

Why is it pointless? We don't need assault weapons... why, so we can kill people faster? Yeah, that's exactly what we need.

What exactly do you consider an assault weapon? A true assault weapon is an automatic weapon. The weapons being considered in the 94 ban are functionally the same as common hunting rifles. They share the same semi-automatic configuration (one trigger pull, one shot fired). The only distinguishing factors beween hunting and assault rifles are the "military" features that the assault weapon bears. Take for instance the Bushmaster AR-15 and the Ruger Mini-14. They both fire the same exact cartridge (.223), they both are available in semi auto and they both facilitate magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds. The reason the AR-15 is being persecuted is because of its pistol grip and other purely cosmetic features. Before the 94 ban, the Ruger Fireams Corp. manufactured the Mini-14 with a pistol grip and a folding stock. Since the ban, Ruger has removed these harmless features from their rifles. Why, you ask? If Ruger complies with the ban, they will have a stronghold on the market when it comes to manufacturing semi auto rifles that use the .223 cartridge. SO the ban has changed nothing about the way the firearm operates.

Congress is not interested in renewing the ban until after the election and may consider renewal after their candidate is elected. SO this is not really about public safety, it is more about winning votes and "feel-good" legislation. These rifles are not any more of a danger than any semi auto firearm. All firearms can be dangerous when placed in the wrong hands. Training and responsible use are the only effective methods of gun control.

BTW.....Please try to keep this debate restricted to intelligent and informative posts. Making blanket statements about the average penis size of a country is not considered either.

I, too, do not understand why the size of a persons' phallus is being discussed in this thread.

There is so much misconception and just plain lies about this subject that one should check out any of the works done by Kleck, Kate, et al and read up on the statistics about crime and guns in this country. Here are a few facts ina nutshell.
The majority of violent felonies (rape, robbery, murder) are committed by repeat offenders. These people are pre-dispossed to commit crime. The average felon jailed for murder has already committed 5 to 6 felony offenses before he kills. COntrary to what you hear on 20/20, you are absolutely NOT likely to be killed by someone you know. You are most likely to be killed by a career criminal. AND, guns do not a killer make. People who have CWP's are the very least likely to commit a crime with their weapon. Why? Because they take their responsibility seriously. A gun doesn't make me a killer. I own bunches and I have gotten one speeding ticker in my life. I have no desire to mow down children waiting for the bus with my Ruger .22 or my WASR.

OK,
I found this thread thru a search.
I'm a NRA certified Rifle Instructor. I do this to teach Safety, not kill people.

1) The 1994 Ban only restricted NEW guns. A few weeks ago I bought a pre-ban H&K MP5-SD6. Now has rail system installed, Vertical grip, flashlight, pull-out stock, red-dot scope, pistol grip, dual 30 round mags, etc etc. I can put all this on it, because it was manufactured and imported before 1994. It's not Banned.

2) Second Ammendment so many fought and died for. We recently finally had the "Conceal and Carry" law passed here in Missouri. I go thru all the paperwork and time to get a permit, so I can carry a handgun concealed. Should you be worried. The answer is only Yes IF you plan on trying to jack my car or mug me. And the person who tries to mug me or jack my car, if he uses a gun, you think he has a permit?
No, but it will make my day if I get to shoot him in the shoulder trying. Or shooting him in the shoulder if he's trying to rape/assult/victimize any of the liberal bleeding hearts who are anti-gun.

And as for assult rifles, full auto "Spray and Pray" is only good in movies. I can do alot more damage with a 20 round, fully legal semi-auto gun than most any of you could do with a pile of clips and a full-auto gun.

It's called aim, pull trigger, aim pull trigger.

Not pull and hold trigger then aim, etc.

At 9/10/04 06:03 PM, Slewfoot wrote:

At 9/10/04 03:18 PM, grand_retard wrote: So, is it because Americans have very small dicks, or very small intellects that they need a very big gun to make them feel like a man?

Yes, I DO have a very small dick. And a very large gun . Lots of guns. And, I could care less what you think about small-dicked people with big guns, because, unlike you, I don't measure my manhood by the size of my penis of how many fatherless children I create. I measure it by how well I take care of my family and how good of a citizen I am.

Ok, thats it.

Back when this thread was just a few pages long I said somthing that still holds true. Because we all seem to be going round in circles AGAIN! I have now been forced to say it again, Read and take note.

"Your ignorance offends me.

Please don't let yourself be brainwashed into a permanent state of fear as so many Americans seem to have."

We American threw off the yoke of British oppression some two hundred years ago beacuse why??? The colonists were armed after your Dad King George tried to take them away. Please, stay in British and confine yourself to British affairs, your snobery offends me.

At 9/11/04 05:41 PM, Tal-con wrote: slewfoot, centerfire, i can't debate 2 people at the same time. I'll just end it with this, you can either ignore my next statement, prove me wrong, or flame me, either way, i'm not gonna respond, i don't know much about guns so it would be stupid of me to get in a serious debate. Ok here goes...

What makes a weapon an assault weapon?

The term "assault weapon: as currently used in the American Lexican means a semi-automatic rifle that has "uglY' or "evil" features. For example, a detachable clip, a flash suppressor, a folding stock, a protruding pistol grip or a bayonet. Note: according to the military and many others, a true assualt weapon is a selective-fire weapon. meaning you can switch between fully automatic fire and semiautomatic fire. Please note that automatic weapons have been outlawed since 1934. The media and all the anti's use the term "assualt" weapon to mean any gun they think I shouldn't be able to own. To which I reply; if I pick up a bowling bowl, and assault you with it, that ball has become an assault weapon.

don't know. Maybe a weapon which you need 2 hands to carry, or maybe a weapon that's more powerful than your average handgun...

The average deer rifle is much more powerful than an "assault" weapon. Go down to Walmart and ask to see a 30-06 round (deer rifle) and a 7.62x39 round ("Assault weapon" round). The '06 has much, much more power, and I can equip my deer rifle with the same cosmetic features found on the "assault" weapon. So, you see, it is all about smoke and mirrirs.

Either way, Why do we need so many different guns? What is this obsession with firearms? Do you collect them? Protection?

All the above. WHy does it matter??? Why do we need so many different models of automobiles. After all, it's just transportation, right?? WHy not take the bus??

I can't give you any statistics, but it seems to me that with all the crimes out there, guns seem to be doing more harm than good.

Criminals commit crime. Law-abiding citizens do not.

And i'll admit guns have protected people, but chances are if someone wants to rob you they have a gun too.

Exactly, but I know how to use mine a lot better than the crook does.

I mean this in no negative way at all, i just didn't wanna end my time in this thread on a bad note.

Have a nice day :)

At 9/11/04 05:39 PM, LeapOfFaith wrote:

At 9/10/04 06:03 PM, Slewfoot wrote:

At 9/10/04 03:18 PM, grand_retard wrote: So, is it because Americans have very small dicks, or very small intellects that they need a very big gun to make them feel like a man?

Yes, I DO have a very small dick. And a very large gun . Lots of guns. And, I could care less what you think about small-dicked people with big guns, because, unlike you, I don't measure my manhood by the size of my penis of how many fatherless children I create. I measure it by how well I take care of my family and how good of a citizen I am.

Ok, thats it.

Back when this thread was just a few pages long I said somthing that still holds true. Because we all seem to be going round in circles AGAIN! I have now been forced to say it again, Read and take note.

"Your ignorance offends me.

I'm going to add my two pence here as per usual NG practice.

You claim that guns are not the cause of crime. That may (note that I say may) be true. But it may be that guns are the cause of violent crime. Here in the UK we have far less gun crime. there are far less murders (in proportion) than in the US.

Please don't give me any shit about protecting you family. If your that worried about security, put bars on your windows and doors. There are far more effective ways on protecting a home than useing a gun , Never mind a weapon that was designed for meadium to long range shooting.

Please don't let yourself be brainwashed into a permanent state of fear as so many Americans seem to have."

First off, you cannot equate what you have been told by the British media to what Americans feel about the security of our nation. These Hollywood and media induced images of Americans stockpiling weapons and meal rations while hiding in make-shift bunkers is 99.999% false. The majority of firearms aquired through legal means in the U.S. are USED for sporting purposes. We may retain weapons such as handguns for defense, but handguns see most of their use on firing ranges where the only victim is a slim piece of paper.

We do recognize that some citizens will use weapons in a negative fashion. Even if the United States did adopt the British method of gun control (recalling all guns for their destruction) criminals would still aquire firearms through illegal arms trading. Firearms that are used in gang crime, robberies, random murders are rarely purchased legally and approved by an FBI background check. The weapons used in crimes are stolen from legitimate firearms onwers, sold to the highest bidder, and ulimately used in crime. The British say to recall all firearms and destroy them; I say that these newly banned firearms will be the hottest thing on the Black Market and will pass undetected through our loosely secured shipping docks and enter the States illegally. So if we deprive responsible American citizens from their Constitutionally guaranteed right to own and bear firearms we ultimately create more crime and a greater demand for banned firearms.

Without speaking for the general populace, I would not use an "assault rifle" for home defense. Although, I do and will continue to use a semi automatic rifle for marksmanship and other sporting uses.

As for the U.K., I have seen the data on how their banning handguns since 1998 has decreased crime. However, I would like to see the data that indicates an increase of crime in which sharp objects such as knives are used. It is very simple to outlaw the tools that criminals use and very difficult to outlaw people's poor judgement.

At 9/11/04 11:01 PM, centerfire wrote:

" It is very simple to outlaw the tools that criminals use and very difficult to outlaw people's poor judgement."

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Gun control is NOT about guns, it's about controlling people.

There seems to be a forgetfullness about what the 2nd amendment was put in the constitution to begin with. It has nothing to do with hunting, target shooting, etc.There is no constitutional right to hunt, etc. It's about the ability to defend onself, be it a rapist or a tyrannical government or a foriegn invasion. Go ahead, laugh, but if it were not for the guns the the colonists possessed we'd all be eating bad english food and speaking with a goofy accent.

The enxt time you see John Kerry, Bill CLinton, et.al waving a sgotgun for the camera while exclaiming he has no intentions of taking away your "right" to hunt, think about what he's NOT saying.

Ladies and Gentleman, the ban has expired.

Free at last, Free at last, thank God almighty Free at last.........

But, they'll be back.

Simple question: Do you want ANYONE to have a gun?

I don't. I don't trust myself, let alone anyone else with a gun.
Too much could go wrong.

The Forefathers never meant that the right to bear arms equals being able to carry around consealed pistols, not even including a 30 to 50 round mag. in a semi-auto. I was meant to be there in case of an emergency through foreign invasion.

At 9/13/04 11:46 PM, Redwrath wrote: Simple question: Do you want ANYONE to have a gun?

It doesn't matter what I or you want, it's the law, right there in the constitution.

I don't. I don't trust myself, let alone anyone else with a gun.
Too much could go wrong.

And that's just fine. By all means, please do not go out and get a gun if you do not trust yourself. Lock yourself in a rubber room. As for trusting others, you do it all the time, right?? You trust people not to run red lights, to pay their taxes, etc. You put your life in the hands of others on a daily basis whether you realise it or not. How many people have you come acroos that had a concealed weapon permit and were carrying a gun? You have no way of knowing, but I'm willing to bet more than a few. The fact that you have never been shot by a gun, even though there are some hundreds of milions of them in this country, is testamony to the fact that 99.999 percent of gun owners are law-abiding citizens. Quit getting yer knickers in a knot.

The Forefathers never meant that the right to bear arms equals being able to carry around consealed pistols, not even including a 30 to 50 round mag. in a semi-auto. I was meant to be there in case of an emergency through foreign invasion.

We have lot's of evidence of what the forefathers meant by way of the federalist papers. 50 round mags and semi-autos were not around back then. They had what was for them state-of-the-art technology. Now we have state of the art technology for us. The 2nd amendment puts teeth in all the other amendments. Otherwise they are not worth the paper they're written on.

i live in WY and im curious about some things:
1. what is an assult weapon license? i went to a gun store in ID(across state lines) over christmas and while i was there decided i wanted an SKS. so i went to the store and upon showing them my drivers license and having them run my background check i purchased the firearm for $160

2. what is the difference between an SKS, an obvious "assult rifle" and a 7mm BAR hunting rifle. both are semi automatic, both have 10 round magazines

3. why do assult rifle get called "high powered"? the round fired out of the SKS is roughly 2400fps for a 122 grain bullet where the 7mm mag is roughly 3800 fps out of a 140 grain bullet. it seems to me that the heavier, faster moving bullet would be more powerful

4. why in the discussion of the impact of gun ownership on crime does the town of kennesaw, GA never get mentioned? in case some of you have never heard of kennesaw here is a link to some info about it
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38a75857671c.htm

5. why do so many of the people seem to think they shouldn't have control over their life, and that they would rather have the government say what they should and should not do rather than letting them decide for themselves what is best?

to the guy that said that crack was never legal, to the best i have been able to research in the mid to late 1800's cocaine was legal and if that was the case and crack being made from? cocaine, baking soad and water, wouldnt it stand to reason that it would have been legal even if perhaps it wasnt made?

At 9/13/04 11:58 PM, Slewfoot wrote: You have no way of knowing, but I'm willing to bet more than a few. The fact that you have never been shot by a gun, even though there are some hundreds of milions of them in this country, is testamony to the fact that 99.999 percent of gun owners are law-abiding citizens. Quit getting yer knickers in a knot.

Don't go a judge what has and has not happened to me or people around me. I have had a neighbor killed by a gun. My friend's house has been hit by bullets twice. A policeman down the street got drunk one time and took his .45 for a "test run" in his back yard. Shit goes wrong all the time, but with a gun it can make the stupid action deadly. I don't want people shot because someone wants to have their "freedom" which can destroy someone else's life.

one more question those who talk about not having the abilty to over throw the government because of the organazation of the military, isn't that the same thing that the english thought shortly after the Boston Tea Party? if our forefathers( George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson) had the same attitude as i am seeing on here dont you think the Queen qould be on OUR money instead of OUR presidents?

Redwrath, its not our fault that you and your people are stupid. Just because they are, it does not imply that everyone else is. A gun wont kill anyone unless a jackass gets their hands on it. Get the picture?

All I have to say is, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I'm gonna buy 1 more AK here pretty soon. I've had one already for 2 years.

At 9/14/04 12:15 AM, abutterer wrote: i live in WY and im curious about some things:
1. what is an assult weapon license?

There is no license to buy a weapon, only the yellow form. Each individual state may have it's own rules, but since your not in California, I'm sure there are no further restrictions in Wyoming.

i went to a gun store in ID(across state lines) over christmas and while i was there decided i wanted an SKS. so i went to the store and upon showing them my drivers license and having them run my background check i purchased the firearm for $160

2. what is the difference between an SKS, an obvious "assult rifle" and a 7mm BAR hunting rifle. both are semi automatic, both have 10 round magazines

The ONLY differences are commetic in Nature.

3. why do assult rifle get called "high powered"? the round fired out of the SKS is roughly 2400fps for a 122 grain bullet where the 7mm mag is roughly 3800 fps out of a 140 grain bullet. it seems to me that the heavier, faster moving bullet would be more powerful

It is more powerful, as are most center-fire hunting rifles form the .308 on up.

4. why in the discussion of the impact of gun ownership on crime does the town of kennesaw, GA never get mentioned? in case some of you have never heard of kennesaw here is a link to some info about it
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38a75857671c.htm

5. why do so many of the people seem to think they shouldn't have control over their life, and that they would rather have the government say what they should and should not do rather than letting them decide for themselves what is best?

Because the government is in the business of peddling fear, and then selling you a bill-of-goods called a security blanket. They (the
government) tell you that you will be wrapped in their blanket of security, all nice and warm, and not have to worry about anything, they will take care of you from cradle-to-grave. This appeals to a lot of people who feel they cannot exert their own will and control their own lives. There is no security in this world, only free-men and slaves. We all die, some of us sooner than others, and a lot of us will go kicking and screaming like we were born. Live with this knowledge.

to the guy that said that crack was never legal, to the best i have been able to research in the mid to late 1800's cocaine was legal and if that was the case and crack being made from? cocaine, baking soad and water, wouldnt it stand to reason that it would have been legal even if perhaps it wasnt made?

Opium and marijuana were also legal, until the government stepped in to "save" us.

I read some of these posts and laugh a bit, but I do think both sides have valid points. I believe that a majority of crimes committed with a gun are usually done with an unregistered or illegally owned weapon. I am for gun ownership of any kind as long as they are intended to collect and/or lockup and used for occassional target practice in a designated area.

The ban, in my case, is one to keep honest people honest BUT it really does limit the availability of these assualt weapons and keeps a tight grip on who can and who cannot get them. I train with assualt weapons and have a G36c and M4a1 and like with any gun, or any weapon for that matter, you have to be careful of how you use them and where you store them and who has access to them.

I for one do not feel that everyone should be able to get assault weapons and that they should be purchased with very strict guidlines and case by case... but then again, I feel like a lot of people shouldn't have drivers licenses either. I have a better chance dying in a car accident then by an attack by some idiot with a full auto rifle.

What I say is, Yes it is our right to have guns, whether pistol or rifle, and if you really want one, get one (be ready to spend a quite a bit of money for it). But do yourself and everyone a favor, DO NOT brag to everyone saying "I have a full auto rifle in my house" or something to that effect. MOST IMPORTANTLY...... buy a gun safe and a trigger lock, you can never be too safe with a weapon.

To those of you who do not agree with purchasing of assualt weapons, I am sorry. I find a lot of the reassons valid in what you say and I agree with them on a majority of subjects. But there are people out there who are responsible and do well at taking care of these things, but like you I am afraid of the idiot who shows off his G3 or MK23 SOCOM and either he does something stupid or someone else steals it from him and then some idiot out there has some nice equipment with the wrong intentions.

BTW I am purchasing my MK23 SOCOM with suppressor. This is for collection only. and I am a licensed FFL collector/dealer.

At 9/14/04 12:59 PM, ae007cowboy wrote: I read some of these posts and laugh a bit, but I do think both sides have valid points. I believe that a majority of crimes committed with a gun are usually done with an unregistered or illegally owned weapon. I am for gun ownership of any kind as long as they are intended to collect and/or lockup and used for occassional target practice in a designated area.

AND, they are committed by criminals who are violent repeat offenders. Lets keep the wheat seperate from the chaff. AND, there you go with the rest of the ill-informed, putting restrictions on gun ownership by declaring they need to be kept locked up and used only in a "designated" area. Whi si going to designate this area, a committe of appointed politicians looking out for my best interest??

The ban, in my case, is one to keep honest people honest BUT it really does limit the availability of these assualt weapons and keeps a tight grip on who can and who cannot get them. I train with assualt weapons and have a G36c and M4a1 and like with any gun, or any weapon for that matter, you have to be careful of how you use them and where you store them and who has access to them.

Get a clue here, cowboy. The term "assault" weapon as currently used was invented by the Brady Campaign and picked up by the liberal press. They are IDENTICAL in function to any semi-auto you care to mention. If you were such a weapon expert then I would not have to point this out to you. Any restrictions put onan "assault" weapon would apply to any semi-auto. There is already a "tight grip" on who and who can purchase a gun and it's called the instant background check.

I for one do not feel that everyone should be able to get assault weapons and that they should be purchased with very strict guidlines and case by case...

Once again, there are restrictions on who can and cannot buy an "assault", or any other firearm for that matter. See the above.

but then again, I feel like a lot of people shouldn't have drivers licenses either. I have a better chance dying in a car accident then by an attack by some idiot with a full auto rifle.

Finally, a tidbit of reason creeps through.

What I say is, Yes it is our right to have guns, whether pistol or rifle, and if you really want one, get one (be ready to spend a quite a bit of money for it). But do yourself and everyone a favor, DO NOT brag to everyone saying "I have a full auto rifle in my house" or something to that effect. MOST IMPORTANTLY...... buy a gun safe and a trigger lock, you can never be too safe with a weapon.

To those of you who do not agree with purchasing of assualt weapons, I am sorry. I find a lot of the reassons valid in what you say and I agree with them on a majority of subjects. But there are people out there who are responsible and do well at taking care of these things, but like you I am afraid of the idiot who shows off his G3 or MK23 SOCOM and either he does something stupid or someone else steals it from him and then some idiot out there has some nice equipment with the wrong intentions.

It's dead...

It's finally dead...

SO GET OVER IT!!

As I type this several parts to convert my weapons are one the way. I will posess the so-called "Assualt Rifles" some of you fear so much. If you people truly understood what the ban entailed and what it did not, some of you wouldn't be having this conversation. I had a party when this hated law died and even the local PD said that it had NO impact on their jobs. I pity those of you who feel this is a bad move.

At 9/14/04 12:28 AM, Er_HeiBt----- wrote: Redwrath, its not our fault that you and your people are stupid. Just because they are, it does not imply that everyone else is. A gun wont kill anyone unless a jackass gets their hands on it. Get the picture?

I don't understand where you get the idea that I am stupid. People smart enough to know what can happen with guns don't buy them. However, it is the people who "want" that gun, who think they "need" that gun that cause the most harm. Desire can be overwhelming for some people.

How do you keep a "jackass" from getting a gun?

Stop allowing the morons from carrying them around everywhere they go. At the max, guns should be used for home protection.

At 9/14/04 11:31 PM, Redwrath wrote:

At 9/14/04 12:28 AM, Er_HeiBt----- wrote: Redwrath, its not our fault that you and your people are stupid. Just because they are, it does not imply that everyone else is. A gun wont kill anyone unless a jackass gets their hands on it. Get the picture?

I don't understand where you get the idea that I am stupid. People smart enough to know what can happen with guns don't buy them.

People who are smart enough to know that cars can kill don't buy them....oops, guess that leaves you out.

However, it is the people who "want" that gun, who think they "need" that gun that cause the most harm. Desire can be overwhelming for some people.

Yes, thos epeople who posess no self-control......now get rid of your car...cars kill.

How do you keep a "jackass" from getting a gun?

Get him out of his car.....

Stop allowing the morons from carrying them around everywhere they go. At the max, guns should be used for home protection.

At the max, cars should be used to cart your sill ass off to Canada......

At 9/14/04 08:34 PM, Slewfoot wrote:

At 9/14/04 12:59 PM, ae007cowboy wrote: I read some of these posts and laugh a bit, but I do think both sides have valid points. I believe that a majority of crimes committed with a gun are usually done with an unregistered or illegally owned weapon. I am for gun ownership of any kind as long as they are intended to collect and/or lockup and used for occassional target practice in a designated area.

AND, they are committed by criminals who are violent repeat offenders. Lets keep the wheat seperate from the chaff. AND, there you go with the rest of the ill-informed, putting restrictions on gun ownership by declaring they need to be kept locked up and used only in a "designated" area. Whi si going to designate this area, a committe of appointed politicians looking out for my best interest??

I'll informed??, no, its common sense. All I meant by saying 'locked up' is stored away, I collect guns and keep them stored in a safe at my step fathers who is a county sheriff and has all sorts of weapons and he has a gun safe. Also, by designated areas, I mean, once again, common sense. Use them on private property, shooting ranges, hunting grounds, basically places where it would be difficult to harm someone. For your sake and for others aublic parks, parking lots, schools etc are not the kind of places to shoot off rounds (common sense).
Sorry I didn't clarify.

The ban, in my case, is one to keep honest people honest BUT it really does limit the availability of these assualt weapons and keeps a tight grip on who can and who cannot get them. I train with assualt weapons and have a G36c and M4a1 and like with any gun, or any weapon for that matter, you have to be careful of how you use them and where you store them and who has access to them.

Get a clue here, cowboy. The term "assault" weapon as currently used was invented by the Brady Campaign and picked up by the liberal press. They are IDENTICAL in function to any semi-auto you care to mention. If you were such a weapon expert then I would not have to point this out to you. Any restrictions put onan "assault" weapon would apply to any semi-auto. There is already a "tight grip" on who and who can purchase a gun and it's called the instant background check.

Yes, BG checks are very important, I'm glad they are in effect. But a BG check, like I had mentioned earlier, keeps honest people honest. It doesnt determine a persons intent and there is nothing they can do to sift every single person and there true intent with a purchase of any kind.

but then again, I feel like a lot of people shouldn't have drivers licenses either. I have a better chance dying in a car accident then by an attack by some idiot with a full auto rifle.

Finally, a tidbit of reason creeps through.

=P
Look, I'm not trying to cause any trouble, I think you have valid points and I agree with them. I think some, if not a majority, of things in this world have issues (from guns to driving) become there is a lacking in teaching children common sense and right from wrong, which should be taught at HOME (granted some parents shouldn't be parents) not at school or TV or church. (If you are religious and go to church and your child goes to a class, it really should only be a reinforcements of what they have been taught by there parents.)

Today, there is such a skewed view in the world of right and wrong and it saddens me. A lot of things being taught is what makes you feel good is what is right but its not, some things we do in life dont always feel good but we have to go through it for whatever reason. And on the other hand doing things that feel good can totally destroy you like drugs, food or playing video games all day.

Well, have a good one!

Hay, I am a supporter of the ban being droped, but lets be responsable gun nuts. There were I'm afraid, more then just two events involving automatic weapons.
Lets not forget the Bank of America shoot out in LA.

You can read about it here.