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Newgrounds Revolution ideas

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Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 21:25:05


So, in response to @SocialistClock's thread, he asked me to create a thread discussing the ideas. So, the original thread is here. We can discuss the ideas posted in the Preamble, but I won't transcribe those. But for the ideas I will transcribe:

-@TheGamechanger suggested an article V, suggesting temporary modship for those who genuinely want it.
-I am writing a declaration, and it has been discussed whether or not I write an entire constitution. If yes, do you think I should rewrite the amendments?
-SocialistClock says he prefers a democratic system over TheGamechanger's idea. Opinions?
-Petition for @MuramasasEdge to sign the declaration?

Okay, so that seems to be it for now, but we (Socialist and I, probably) can provide some updates whenever new ideas come up.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 21:28:21


Okay, so I have finished the Declaration:

IN MODERATION, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the moderating bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the Internet, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Newgrounds and of Newgrounds's @TomFulp entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all NGers are created equal, that they are endowed by Tom Fulp with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are referencing male anatomy, criticism, and the pursuit of a @Bit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, moderators are instituted among NGers, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Moderation becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Moderation, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Rights to freedom of discussion and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Moderators long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that NGer-kind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Totalitarianmoderatorism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Moderation, and to provide new Moderators for their future discussion.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Forums; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Moderation. The history of the present God of Newgrounds (Tom Fulp) is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Rules, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Moderators to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Rules for the accommodation of large Forums, such as General, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Moderation Team, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Forums repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be appointed; whereby the Administrative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the NG Community at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these Forums; for that purpose obstructing the Rules for Criticism of Art; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Portals.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Rules for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his moderators’ Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their revenue.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Moderators to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Moderation independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Rules, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any unreasonable Bans which they should commit on the users of these Forums:
For cutting off our communication with all parts of the Chat and BBS:
For imposing Bans on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of appealing to bans:
For transporting us away from NG to be banned for pretended offences
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Moderation:
He has abdicated Moderators here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our forums, ravaged our chat, burnt our Art Portal, and destroyed the NG Store.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for the lack of SJWs in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated ban. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our moderator brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the BBS of Newgrounds, in General Forum, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Fulp of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Forums, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Forums are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the Mods, and that all political connection between them and the NG mod society, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent Forums, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent Forums may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
WHO’S WITH ME, NEWGROUNDS????!!!!
Cga-999

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 21:33:21


At 6/2/16 09:29 PM, SansNumbers wrote: You must be extremely bored.

Oh, I am.


I fully support this. Seems like a pretty groovy idea for changes we desperately need.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 21:44:41


At 6/2/16 09:41 PM, NekoMika wrote:
If someone is given modship, it means they are trusted enough to hold the power, not that they are being given a trial run. Can you imagine how bad it would be if the WRONG type of person got modded?

Yeah, that would be a really bad thing. There are some users that couldn't handle that much and would just fuck up the site.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 21:53:10


At 6/2/16 09:51 PM, SocialistClock wrote:
you mean like a certain user who's name rhymed with oozie? Actually he was a pretty hilarious mod and just did w/e he wanted knowing full well he'd get hate, he really embraced the hate instead of shying away from it

Yeah, it's kind of a shame that he doesn't post here anymore... Eye loved ya, oozie.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 21:55:23


At 6/2/16 09:28 PM, CGA-999 wrote: Okay, so I have finished the Declaration:

tl;dr


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At 6/2/16 09:41 PM, NekoMika wrote: Pretty much, even if one of us has nothing to do with drama, usually get lumped into the group simply for being a mod.

I've never really seen you get shit on, I've only seen the chat mods get shit on. I'm not denying your claim, I'm just saying.

I'll have to disagree with game changers idea anyways. If the person is trusted with moderation they don't have to be given a certain time limit.
If someone is given modship, it means they are trusted enough to hold the power, not that they are being given a trial run. Can you imagine how bad it would be if the WRONG type of person got modded?

Exactly, this is why @TheGameChanger's idea was flawed.


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Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 21:57:39


At 6/2/16 09:55 PM, Jin wrote:
At 6/2/16 09:28 PM, CGA-999 wrote: Okay, so I have finished the Declaration:
tl;dr

tl;dr some of the mods have been too strict with bans based on harassing users because of simple criticism. Now is the time to start a revolution. Mods are good, but when they turn bad, bad things happen. We are peacefully fighting corruption, while discussing new ideas on how to handle this kind of thing.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 21:58:30


At 6/2/16 09:57 PM, poopmcfarts wrote:
At 6/2/16 09:41 PM, NekoMika wrote: Pretty much, even if one of us has nothing to do with drama, usually get lumped into the group simply for being a mod.
I've never really seen you get shit on, I've only seen the chat mods get shit on. I'm not denying your claim, I'm just saying.

I have seen her get shit on. That may or may not have been my fault a couple years back when I was hammered as fuck XD

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:00:40


At 6/2/16 09:57 PM, SocialistClock wrote: yeah thats ok,
any idea's you'd like to share?

I want Beat Up Anita Sarkeesian to be reuploaded. I didn't get a chance.


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Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:05:16


At 6/2/16 09:58 PM, CGA-999 wrote:
At 6/2/16 09:57 PM, poopmcfarts wrote:
At 6/2/16 09:41 PM, NekoMika wrote: Pretty much, even if one of us has nothing to do with drama, usually get lumped into the group simply for being a mod.
I've never really seen you get shit on, I've only seen the chat mods get shit on. I'm not denying your claim, I'm just saying.
I have seen her get shit on. That may or may not have been my fault a couple years back when I was hammered as fuck XD

I've meant more recently. I bet she's been shit on before, I think every user on here has. Even @Finalee


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Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:08:55


At 6/2/16 10:00 PM, NekoMika wrote:
At 6/2/16 09:58 PM, CGA-999 wrote: I have seen her get shit on. That may or may not have been my fault a couple years back when I was hammered as fuck XD
Nah bruh, I've seen a couple of people I gave permanent audio or review bans to for valid reasons I explained in their threads try to bitch I was not being fair when I explained why for everyone, lol.

Haha. That made me laugh way harder than it should have. I thought I sounded stupid looking back at what I said, but if it was bad enough for a permaban, that must have been some pretty entertaining shit.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:13:29


TL;DR gibe fredum b0ss

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:15:02


Maybe give Newgrounds some actual legal power by having a Newgrounds member become a delegate...

At 6/2/16 09:57 PM, poopmcfarts wrote:
If someone is given modship, it means they are trusted enough to hold the power, not that they are being given a trial run. Can you imagine how bad it would be if the WRONG type of person got modded?
Exactly, this is why @TheGameChanger's idea was flawed.

I just don't want someone like Bit, Cordyceps, or Amaranthus to get modded. Knowing them they'll just use it for kicks. Perhaps a background check system should be implemented...

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:16:58


At 6/2/16 10:15 PM, TheGamechanger wrote:

Exactly, this is why @TheGameChanger's idea was flawed.
I just don't want someone like Bit, Cordyceps, or Amaranthus to get modded. Knowing them they'll just use it for kicks. Perhaps a background check system should be implemented...

But sadly, Cordy is dead.


At 6/2/16 10:15 PM, TheGamechanger wrote: Maybe give Newgrounds some actual legal power by having a Newgrounds member become a delegate...

HELL NO. A staff member is someone who should do that, not a member, that would go horribly.

I just don't want someone like Bit, Cordyceps, or Amaranthus to get modded. Knowing them they'll just use it for kicks. Perhaps a background check system should be implemented...

I'm sure there is, they probably look at their posts before the mods can trust the user fully in order to become a mod.

Also Cordyceps deleted his account.

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At 6/2/16 10:18 PM, poopmcfarts wrote:
At 6/2/16 10:15 PM, TheGamechanger wrote: Someone like Bit, Cordyceps, or Amaranthus to get modded. Knowing them they'll just use it for kicks. Perhaps a background check system should be implemented...
I'm sure there is, they probably look at their posts before the mods can trust the user fully in order to become a mod.

Also Cordyceps deleted his account.

Deleted? @Cordyceps (Sorry, I am putting that there to check, because I am lazy.) No, he's still there, but it appears as if his IP was permabanned.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:21:32


At 6/2/16 10:19 PM, CGA-999 wrote:
Deleted? @Cordyceps (Sorry, I am putting that there to check, because I am lazy.) No, he's still there, but it appears as if his IP was permabanned.

That's what I meant.

Better add him to your list fast!


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Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:22:00


At 6/2/16 10:21 PM, poopmcfarts wrote:
At 6/2/16 10:19 PM, CGA-999 wrote:
Deleted? @Cordyceps (Sorry, I am putting that there to check, because I am lazy.) No, he's still there, but it appears as if his IP was permabanned.
That's what I meant.

Better add him to your list fast!

I have plenty of screencaps in case his account goes down in flames.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:23:09


At 6/2/16 10:22 PM, CGA-999 wrote: I have plenty of screencaps in case his account goes down in flames.

Good. What about Urban-Champion?


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Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:24:32


At 6/2/16 10:23 PM, poopmcfarts wrote:
At 6/2/16 10:22 PM, CGA-999 wrote: I have plenty of screencaps in case his account goes down in flames.
Good. What about Urban-Champion?

Yup.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:25:42


At 6/2/16 10:18 PM, poopmcfarts wrote:
At 6/2/16 10:16 PM, CGA-999 wrote:
At 6/2/16 10:15 PM, TheGamechanger wrote:

Exactly, this is why @TheGameChanger's idea was flawed.
I just don't want someone like Bit, Cordyceps, or Amaranthus to get modded. Knowing them they'll just use it for kicks. Perhaps a background check system should be implemented...
But sadly, Cordy is dead.

His IP is locked? That's somewhat of a relief because he's one of the main users that gave me a hard time in the past.
Hopefully I can outlast the rest of my detractors...

But seriously, the last thing we need is a newly-appointed mod that makes the worst of bidbadron look tame in comparison...

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:27:33


At 6/2/16 09:41 PM, NekoMika wrote: Pretty much, even if one of us has nothing to do with drama, usually get lumped into the group simply for being a mod.

Even you? I always thought you were the nicest person here. But I guess that whole anti authourity mentality will always exist no matter what.

As for this thread: Holy fucking shit.

As for ideas: Petition to bring Cordyceps back

it's hilarious that he's basically become a martyr at this point

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Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:42:25


At 6/2/16 10:33 PM, SocialistClock wrote:
At 6/2/16 10:27 PM, TOXlCITY wrote:

it's hilarious that he's basically become a martyr at this point
i think he's the equivalence of the Boston massacre

Considering that lately that people like to draw his avatar on this forums, he's also just like the sexy mugshot guy (Jeremy Meeks):

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Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:48:34


I got a message from @Urban-Champion with a first-hand account.
Get your tea ready, I've got a whole novel written up:
I mostly feel like the website isn't the Newgrounds I grew up with by any shred of the imagination, and the moderation here has made it inherently clear they are now looking out to enforce new "standards" that Newgrounds in it's lifetime had never been associated with before whatsoever. This doesn't make any sense to me for a couple of reasons; One of the biggest ones being that the moderation is somehow trying to disassociate itself with it's somewhat more "edgy" past, which CAN benefit and motivate new users to contribute more to the site but risks alienating regulars who have been with the site for a long time and ENJOY the site for it's anti-PC attitude.
Most sensible people recognize that safe-space SJW standards are almost impossible to live up to, while others attempt to enforce it time and time again with the same unsuccessful result every time; the community you end up creating becomes a toxic breeding ground for the worst kind of drama with little opportunity for meaningful discussion. This has been proven time and time again on the BBS in recent years. The reason this typically happens is because it's literally impossible to please everyone. Everybody has such differing opinions with their own differing personal standards, etc. People do not get along with each other IRL because of this and as a direct result it's impossible to force that idea onto a community, especially on NG.
If the mods end up bending at will to anyone willing to whine about a user on the forums, that gives these people the power they need to never take responsibility for making a mistake and never take responsibility to stand up for themselves. If someone disagrees with them in a mean and hurtful manner, they can go to a mod and get 'em banned. If they provoke someone to take it to another level by throwing the first punch, they can run with their tail in between their legs and complain to a mod. People often get a little insulting in a heated argument or discussion (not just online mind you) and if the moderators keep enforcing this idea that everyone has to get along with each other, this means one of two things; not only will these people will never learn how to deal with these situations in the real world, but the people that CAN dish it and take it end up becoming isolated and booted off of the community... Simply because they can emotionally handle themselves in a conversation no matter what the circumstances are and expect the same standards from who they talk to; because they're ADULTS.
I've already seen plenty of cases on NG where one user (the future "victim") provoked another user (who is emotionally stable) to attack. When it came back to bite the-user-who-is-now-a-victim in the ass, the "victim" ran to a mod and got the other user banned for. I was banned inadvertently because of this very thing happening between Cordyceps and Fierra (the "victim"), for no other tangible reason other than being guilty through association.
Now, this wouldn't be a problem if Newgrounds was tumblr; but it's not. It's already established it's name in stone and is now attempting to patch over it's rough edges with soft, colorful play doh; Like a celebrity who took the most spectacular booze, drug, and sex-fueled fall from grace and is now hap-hazardly trying to pretend that it's past never happened to fit in with a new generation. Newgrounds already has an established regular community, the majority of which are hardened individuals who enjoy the sharpened edge of the site, and they're completely pulling the rug from underneath all of them. If they want people to support the site, they should probably look out to support the best interests of users who have stuck around the longest.
Everyone I've talked to about Newgrounds, in real life and off of the site, have all unanimously associated Newgrounds with being against any sort of societal norm or political correctness. To take a complete 180 degree spin on this stance is absolutely mind-boggling, as it's only going to permanently damage the community as a result.
Do they actually think new users are going to give a flying fuck about giving a penny to the site? Regs will have the most stats and the most reason to see the site out to the end; even if it means paying a little extra from their pockets to keep it alive. Their accounts alongside all of the content on the site will definitely contribute to any sort of will to donate to the site. New users basically have disposable accounts they could throw away at any point in time. They could go to any other site to see most of the content on NG. They won't care about any of the supporter features because it'll be irrelevant to their interests unless they stay around long enough to be truly involved in the community, to which the chances of that happening are slim to none.
My biggest suggestions for improving the site would simply be more accountability for moderators on their end, and more leniency. For one, if they're going to tell people to take up bans with the mods that banned them, then they should actually keep their word in that aspect and provide the context necessary for users to go about appealing a ban. Second, a community can enforce itself with little intervention; this way you can keep both the sensitive and hardened individuals on the site at once and for the most part they can co-exist in harmony with little to no actual need for intervention. True harassment, like A) posting personal information of users on the site with the intentions of having it passed around and used for nefarious purposes B) repeatedly and persistently using straight up degrading and personal attacks to an individual, such as their sexuality or race, should be taken seriously, I completely agree with that. However, there is a distinct line between actual harassment and just being annoying or mildly insulting.
To clarify, calling someone gay a handful of times is not harassment, especially if the individual in question is not actually gay. At worst, that's annoying and immature, which in my honest opinion doesn't require a call to action for a mass purge of the BBS and their regs. If you were to outright insult a person's sexuality, a personal attack at one's character knowing full well beforehand what sexual orientation they have and repeatedly insult them or their well being (ex. death threats) on a regular basis with clear intention to deprive that person any sort of enjoyment on the community, that could be an example of something the mods should actually look into. The biggest thing here is that context is important, because you can't completely understand or assume a person's intentions based on a single or handful of posts. Hence why my example was so long; I provided the context necessary to prove that the attack in question would be repetitious and disturbing, which actually does fit the definition of harassment.
Other than that, and keeping the forums and chat free of spam, then there's frankly not much reason for moderators to intervene with the BBS other than the ones I've listed above. They just need to make a clear distinction between all of them what true harassment actually is and ban people appropriately based on that.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 22:52:53


At 6/2/16 10:49 PM, NekoMika wrote:
At 6/2/16 10:27 PM, TOXlCITY wrote: Even you? I always thought you were the nicest person here. But I guess that whole anti authourity mentality will always exist no matter what.
Pretty much, even during the short half a year I stepped down, I got shit from people for simply being a mod or user they did not like, was funny in a way.
As for this thread: Holy fucking shit.
>3 users go
> Seems like General forum is losing it's mind

Although it is 4 users (Centaurora, Urban-Champion, Cordyceps, and Hoodie,) this did seem to blow up a bit more than I thought. Yeah, we are all losing our minds quite slowly. I do think it is kind of a big deal, because I liked those guys, and of all people, they didn't seem like they would be pushed to this. But yeah, we are all slowly losing our minds.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 23:37:16


At 6/2/16 11:34 PM, Zachary wrote: I made us an Official™ logo.

THE NEWGROUNDS REVOLUTION IS UNDERWAY!

Okay, that's pretty awesome.

Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 23:45:09


At 6/2/16 10:49 PM, NekoMika wrote:
>3 users go
> Seems like General forum is losing it's mind

Is it bad that I was thinking of this while I was reading this?

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Response to Newgrounds Revolution ideas 2016-06-02 23:46:36


At 6/2/16 10:52 PM, CGA-999 wrote: Although it is 4 users (Centaurora, Urban-Champion, Cordyceps, and Hoodie,)

Aw man, Hoodie left too?

I liked him...


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