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Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder?

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In October 2014, 17-year-old Laquan McDonald was shot 16 times and killed by a Chicago police officer, Jason Van Dyke. McDonald was walking in a street with a knife and was apparently told by the police to drop the knife. After being shot several times, McDonald was shot as he fell to the floor another several times. McDonald allegedly committed an armed robbery with the knife prior to the shooting, and was high on PCP, a psychedelic drug.

The officer today was charged with murder and turned himself in. He's currently at the county jail without bail.

Protests are out in the streets of Chicago today.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/us/laquan-mcdonald-chicago-shooting-video/index.html

Do you think it was murder? It definitely sounds pretty extreme.

Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-24 21:46:04


At 11/24/15 09:38 PM, Cordyceps wrote:
At 11/24/15 09:36 PM, IAmCrystalHeights wrote: Protests are out in the streets of Chicago today.
funny that they're protesting even though they got their way

there's no winning with these people

what do you expect? they're animals.


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was her name tenneassi

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Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-24 21:52:21


Well, this thread has become incredibly racist really fast.

That aside, the protesters didn't get anything, yet. A man turning himself in and a conviction are two different things. OJ Simpson was arrested, but no justice was served because he was acquitted.

Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-24 21:55:06


At 11/24/15 09:52 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Well, this thread has become incredibly racist really fast.

That aside, the protesters didn't get anything, yet. A man turning himself in and a conviction are two different things. OJ Simpson was arrested, but no justice was served because he was acquitted.

He got criminal charges brought against him, the system is doing it's job. People keep bitching about how cops get away with everything yet here's one who is being charged. Yeah, they have nothing to bitch aout, they're just hoping someone turns violent so they can get free TVs.


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Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-24 21:58:49


At 11/24/15 09:55 PM, KillerSkull wrote:
He got criminal charges brought against him, the system is doing it's job. People keep bitching about how cops get away with everything yet here's one who is being charged. Yeah, they have nothing to bitch aout, they're just hoping someone turns violent so they can get free TVs.

Again, "being charged" only means two things:

1) Jack
2) Shit

Seriously, being charged means nothing. Nothing. This does not mean he will be convicted. It is not proof the system works. It is proof that he turned himself in and is being tried. That's all it proves.

And, yes, cops do get away with crimes all the time.

Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-24 22:05:08


At 11/24/15 09:58 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote:
At 11/24/15 09:55 PM, KillerSkull wrote:
Seriously, being charged means nothing. Nothing. This does not mean he will be convicted. It is not proof the system works. It is proof that he turned himself in and is being tried. That's all it proves.

It kinda is actually, it means he's going to be put on trial and not ignored. If you've seen the evidence that's been made public you'd see that's its very fucking clearly murder. There's no way this guy is going to get away free, and if he does, then I say THEN the mobs have something bitch about andfor good reason. In fact, if this guy gets a "not guilty" verdict then I say let the mobs have him, it would be justice. But in the meantime, the system is doing their thing.

And, yes, cops do get away with crimes all the time.

And usually it's ignored or nothing is being done about it. That's not the case here.


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Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-24 22:58:47


Dashcam video of Officer Jason Van Dyke shooting Laquan McDonald

Execution more like imo but feel free to make your own assessment.


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At 11/24/15 11:11 PM, Sekhem wrote:
this piece of criminal scum decided to walk down the street

Clearly he was about to steal that street by prying it loose with his pocket knife which explains everything.


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Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-25 00:43:17


Quick explanation of events:

Laquan McDonald, is holding a knife in his right hand and jogging parallel to the double solid line, getting further and further away from the police to his left who have just arrived at the scene. As a patrol car pulls out, he slows to a walk and begins walking away from the officers. He is over 20 feet from them.

5:20 in the video

9:57:30 Officer Jason Van Dyke exits the vehicle's passenger side door

Laquan's walking pace remains constant, but his path returns to parallel with the double solid line. He is 15 feet from them.

Officer Jason Van Dyke takes steps to get closer to Laquan, distance is 10 feet.

9:57:36 Officer Jason Van Dyke fires at the 17-year-old, the force of the bullet causes him to spin around and fall to the ground
9:57:38 Office Jason Van Dyke two more of the bullets fired at Laquan McDonald hit the pavement, causing puffs of smoke to rise near the boy's body
9:57:38 to 9:57:51 Laquan McDonald's body jerks and shifts periodically as bullets strike him in several locations
9:57:52 Officer Jason Van Dyke begins to reload his pitol, Officer A instructs him to hold his fire
9:57:54 Officer A walks over to Laquan McDonald and kicks the knife out of his hand toward the middle of the street

Video forensics has identified 5 visible "puffs" in the video, which can be assumed to be bullets which struck the pavement either (A) instead of hitting McDonald or (B) after passing through McDonald.
Forensics has identified 16 shell casings at the scene of the murder, and has identified that those 16 casings were all fired by Officer Jason Van Dyke's firearm.
None of the 8 other officers fired upon Laquan McDonald.

Later:

Chicago PD approached at least one local business and deleted footage of the shooting

More information about the deleted footage

Chicago PD paid $5 million of Chicago's taxpayers' money to the McDonald family in a settlement and tried to keep the footage of the shooting from being released.

Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder?


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Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-25 00:52:08


ACAB

Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-25 01:53:29


At 11/25/15 01:16 AM, Bryan wrote: Obviously there's a real problem with the overabundance of lethal take downs, but seriously how am I supposed to sympathize with someone running away from the police, speeding through private neighborhoods, and carrying a weapon which he refuses to drop and does not cooperate with the police? The cop used excessive force definitely, but it's not murder. Manslaughter perhaps.

Murder:

First: any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought. Felony murder is typically first-degree.
Second: any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned in advance.
Third: (aka voluntary manslaughter)

Manslaughter:

Voluntary: (aka third degree murder) any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second-degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be mitigated to voluntary manslaughter.

Involuntary: a killing that stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional, or negligent, act leading to death. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter (see also vehicular homicide, causing death by dangerous driving, gross negligence manslaughter and causing death by criminal negligence for international equivalents). Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional", because the killer did not intend for a death to result from their intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.

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I think this was first degree murder, premeditated. However, I'm going with guilty of second degree murder because I don't have any faith in the jury's ability to convict or the prosecutor's ability to overlook the fact that he's a police officer.

(1) Officer Jason Van Dyke was pretty fucking eager to hop out of the vehicle. He opened his door before Officer A had even pulled the vehicle up to the final position. (2) He fired upon a boy who was walking away from him. (3) He emptied his entire clip into a boy who was lying on the ground, dying. (4) He then began to reload and had to be told not to do fire any more.

(5) He has 18 prior complaints of excessive force in his 14 year time on the force. If this works in the Public's favor, this might be prosecuted as a hate crime for the following reason:

"We don't have all of Van Dyke's complaints but the complaints of, the misconduct complaints from Van Dyke that we do have in our data tool show by and large excessive force and racial slurs. And he has largely operated with impunity and under a code of silence with the same huddle of officers again and again," said Alison Flowers, University of Chicago's Invisible Institute, a journalistic production company on the South Side of Chicago. --Source


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Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-25 02:34:42


He might actually get paid administrative leave for that one.

Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-25 02:54:38


At 11/25/15 02:47 AM, Cordyceps wrote:
At 11/25/15 12:43 AM, Profanity wrote: the force of the bullet causes him to spin around and fall to the ground
Hahahah

Don't be an idiot.


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Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-25 03:00:28


At 11/25/15 02:58 AM, Cordyceps wrote:
At 11/25/15 02:54 AM, Profanity wrote:
At 11/25/15 02:47 AM, Cordyceps wrote:
At 11/25/15 12:43 AM, Profanity wrote: the force of the bullet causes him to spin around and fall to the ground
Hahahah
Don't be an idiot.
The kind of force transfered from any kind of service pistol round is not enough to make someone spin around and fall by itself. Short of high powder rifle rounds, that's not something that you're going to see happen.

This isn't a static in a free body diagram. This is a real human being in motion with complex movements and responses to the impact of a bullet.


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Let the single mothers & their bastard sons hold up signs that say "Black Lives Matter" and pretend to care when there are gang shootings everyday, and even innocent people die in those in the cross fire. Don't hear a word out of them when that happens.
I'm sick of these inbreds. And the cops to.


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Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-25 03:24:43


At 11/25/15 03:11 AM, Cordyceps wrote:
At 11/25/15 03:00 AM, Profanity wrote: This isn't a static in a free body diagram. This is a real human being in motion with complex movements and responses to the impact of a bullet.
yeah but you're overstating the amount of force transferred from the bullet

I could accept that he fell down as a reaction to/result of getting shot, but it wasn't because of the force of the bullet

One 9mm round isn't enough to make a 17-year-old spin. They also found traces of thermite in his shoes.

Laquan McDonald was an inside job.

Response to Laquan McDonald Shooting: Murder? 2015-11-25 11:03:47


Man I don't even care anymore.