Emission laws in your country

[paul20z]

In America our emission laws are really strict, (thanks to the soccer moms driving hummers and suburbans and all the fucking yuppies who need to own a pickup truck because it's cool now). I was wondering in other countrys if you have catalytic converters on your cars or not? personally they are a pain in the fucking ass after a few years they are not efficient and wind up making the car guzzle more gas so you have to buy a new one at $300.

[Noctroler]

Canada has a Drive-Clean Program and car need to have their emissions tested annually.

[paul20z]

At 6/17/04 12:42 PM, Noctroler wrote: Canada has a Drive-Clean Program and car need to have their emissions tested annually.

Yeah we have to get ours done annually to. My car was actually assembled in Canada (Camaro SS).

[RedSkunk]

At 6/17/04 10:59 AM, paul20z wrote: I was wondering in other countrys if you have catalytic converters on your cars or not?

They do now. I always have old cars, and whenever I'm doing research, I find that European models always had a few more horse, because of no cat.

personally they are a pain in the fucking ass after a few years they are not efficient and wind up making the car guzzle more gas so you have to buy a new one at $300.

Catalytic converters don't effect gas mileage that much, don't exagerate. They are much better than they were in the 60's, and most of the states don't even check to see that you have one working.

My old car's cat was burnt out, perfectly hollow. My new car would probably fail, but they don't test them. In fact, I've never gone to a place that even checks to see if you have one.

[Der-Ubermensch]

At 6/17/04 12:42 PM, Noctroler wrote: Canada has a Drive-Clean Program and car need to have their emissions tested annually.

Most definitely not in Quebec... I got away with driving a car with a pierced cat conv for about 5 years.

[Noctroler]

What's a cata-lic-tits converter???

[RedSkunk]

It's a measure which drastically cuts down on emissions. If you look at the exhaust system of your car, you'll see teh muffler(s) (typically oval or such), perhaps a small expansion chamber (or equivalent), and then a smaller round canister-like thing. I don't know the exact science, but it takes away ~5-10hp, lowers emissions, and if you run too rich then it'll heat up and clog / burn out the inside. Which is what happened to my old car....

[Grim]

At 6/18/04 02:50 AM, SKUNKbrs wrote: I don't know the exact science, but it takes away ~5-10hp, lowers emissions, and if you run too rich then it'll heat up and clog / burn out the inside. Which is what happened to my old car....

Some pleasure reading

If you lose on the top end, try OHC or injection modulation. The Cat should only take off the top what the Oxy intake is limited on the refresh rate (more fresh 02 gives a cleaner burn than the back pressure filtered air).

[JackOfShadows]

Does this really have anything to do with politics?

[paul20z]

At 6/18/04 02:20 AM, Noctroler wrote: What's a cata-lic-tits converter???

On most cars at the end of the exhaust manifold there is a round sometimes square metal chamber that contains platinum-iridium almost shaped like a honeycomb inside, when exhaust gases are blown into it the converter heats up and works correctly it oxidizes carbon monoxide and other pollutants into carbon dioxide and water ( thats why a lot of times you see water dripping out mufflers).

[lapslf]

At 6/18/04 01:23 AM, SKUNKbrs wrote: They do now. I always have old cars, and whenever I'm doing research, I find that European models always had a few more horse, because of no cat.

Uhm... I really do believe Europeans models do have catalysators.

By the way, when you talk about emissions you musn't just focus on cars. How about the industry and shit like that? Good thing we have the Kyoto agreements, which every country totally ignores.

[FUNKbrs]

At 6/18/04 07:14 AM, JackOfShadow wrote: Does this really have anything to do with politics?

Envrionmental laws and protection measures, actually. There are very few things that don't break down into politics sooner or later.

[RedSkunk]

At 6/18/04 01:50 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: Uhm... I really do believe Europeans models do have catalysators.

Not in the 80's. I'm sure they do now, but not back then. They became mandatory in the US in the 70's, under some Republican administrations..

By the way, when you talk about emissions you musn't just focus on cars. How about the industry and shit like that?

Most CO2 / other pollutants come from industry, doesn't it?

[DrxFeelgood]

Fuck cats. I rip those power robbing pieces of crap off every car I have. Does not help, no sir. You just have to make sure that your O2 sensor is before the cat, then it's ok.

[gem1]

At 6/17/04 10:59 AM, paul20z wrote: In America our emission laws are really strict, (thanks to the soccer moms driving hummers and suburbans and all the fucking yuppies who need to own a pickup truck because it's cool now). I was wondering in other countrys if you have catalytic converters on your cars or not? personally they are a pain in the fucking ass after a few years they are not efficient and wind up making the car guzzle more gas so you have to buy a new one at $300.

The media would like you to believe the suv's are ruining the atmosphere. It's gone way too far. We use to polute the atmose phere badly but it is not as bad now as people think. Some cars actually emit exaust better than the air that came in. On the days we have ozone alerts, it is due to atmospheric stagnation and dust in the atmosphere. It is amazing how people think it is created by cars. The biggest threat to our atmosphere is 3rd world countries with no environmental laws that polute the atmosphere like we did in the 20's. In the 20's, there was so much coal burnt, couters and desk had to be cleaned daily.

Why are you jeleous of "FUCKING YUPPIES" that own a descent auto. Says a lot about your inferiority complex.

[niffweed17]

At 6/24/04 10:07 AM, gem1 wrote:

At 6/17/04 10:59 AM, paul20z wrote: In America our emission laws are really strict, (thanks to the soccer moms driving hummers and suburbans and all the fucking yuppies who need to own a pickup truck because it's cool now). I was wondering in other countrys if you have catalytic converters on your cars or not? personally they are a pain in the fucking ass after a few years they are not efficient and wind up making the car guzzle more gas so you have to buy a new one at $300.

The media would like you to believe the suv's are ruining the atmosphere. It's gone way too far. We use to polute the atmose phere badly but it is not as bad now as people think. Some cars actually emit exaust better than the air that came in. On the days we have ozone alerts, it is due to atmospheric stagnation and dust in the atmosphere. It is amazing how people think it is created by cars. The biggest threat to our atmosphere is 3rd world countries with no environmental laws that polute the atmosphere like we did in the 20's. In the 20's, there was so much coal burnt, couters and desk had to be cleaned daily.

Why are you jeleous of "FUCKING YUPPIES" that own a descent auto. Says a lot about your inferiority complex.

ok, you are a total idiot. cars throw the air back CLEANER than it already was? come on. the biggest threat to our atmosphere is THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES that don't even generate harmful emissions? what the hell are you talking about? you are right in that ozone alerts are primarily not caused by car emissions, but it's certain that greenhouse gas emissions, or the stuff that's causing global warming, is.

if the government cared aboout the future at all they'd put far stricter regulations on this than there are. all cars should be required to use these catalytic converters, with massive penalties. and can anybody tell me why america hasn't signed on to the kyoto protocol? no good reason.

and don't tell me i'm doing it too- i don't even have a car. in new york, though, that's probably easier than in most places.

to ANYBODY that disagrees with me- not only are you a total idiot, but you are dooming yourself and everyone else to the dangers of global warming. in thirty years when global warming turns your house into a desert, i will laugh in your face.

[gem1]

to ANYBODY that disagrees with me- not only are you a total idiot, but you are dooming yourself and everyone else to the dangers of global warming. in thirty years when global warming turns your house into a desert, i will laugh in your face.

Wow, what a moron!

[Ravens-Grin]

At 6/24/04 10:36 AM, niffweed17 wrote: to ANYBODY that disagrees with me- not only are you a total idiot, but you are dooming yourself and everyone else to the dangers of global warming. in thirty years when global warming turns your house into a desert, i will laugh in your face.

What propoganda have you been feed? There have always been temperature variations. In the 1600's in England, the Thames River was froze over. This was called a minituare Ice Age becuase this had never happened. European History also shows that there was a warming period before this time. At the end of the miniature Ice Age, the Earth once again started to heat up again. This started in the early 1700's, before the Industrial Revolution. Don't worry about global warming, because like the seasons, it will change. I would be more worried about the removal of water from various sources, which the water basically acts as a small cooling factor and prevents desertification, then the burning of fossil fuels.

[gem1]

When Mt St Hellans blew it's top, environmentalist said it would take 10 years to repair the hole in the ozone. They said it put out polution equivilant of 1000 factories. It repaird itselt in less than a couple months. The atmosphere is heating up, been proven it is a natural cycle. Are we effecting it? Maybe. Cars have a miniscule effect and are adequatly regulated. My personal belief is that we heat up more of the atmosphere simply by all the concrete, blacktop and roof tops we have. When you leave a city the temp often drops 10 degrees when thermal activity is high. So what are we to do about it?

Adapt. Were not going to tear up highways and rip down buildings but this belief that this is all being created by cars is feel good politcs that just screws everyone in the long run.

[niffweed17]

of course there are natural fluctuations. the one difference is the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere right now. in the past, if there were to be a specific amount of carbon dioxide, you can at the very least double it. this is going to trap much more heat than normal, and guess what: the carbon dioxide content is just going to increase if you people keep driving your cars without doing anything else.

i have very little else to say on this matter except that i will laugh at you in 30 years when your house is a desert. actually, you might be right in saying that 30 years is too short a figure, but i will get a chance to laugh at you during your lifetime.

[Cally]

At 6/17/04 10:59 AM, paul20z wrote: In America our emission laws are really strict, (thanks to the soccer moms driving hummers and suburbans and all the fucking yuppies who need to own a pickup truck because it's cool now). I was wondering in other countrys if you have catalytic converters on your cars or not? personally they are a pain in the fucking ass after a few years they are not efficient and wind up making the car guzzle more gas so you have to buy a new one at $300.

Our cars over here are tested yearly on many aspects, including emissions. This test is compulsory and if you do not have a valid test certificate, it is illegal for you to drive that car.

[Etonboy]

At 6/24/04 11:56 AM, Cally wrote:
Our cars over here are tested yearly on many aspects, including emissions. This test is compulsory and if you do not have a valid test certificate, it is illegal for you to drive that car.

Is that the MOT? I dunno I'm to dense sometimes, my car (Early eighties red metro a.k.a embarresment mobile) failed that miserably my old man was well angry because he wanted me to pass before it MOT came up, though I'm a such a bad driver I had no chance sohe had to fork out half of what the car was worth to get it fixed. : D

[Ravens-Grin]

At 6/24/04 11:56 AM, niffweed17 wrote: of course there are natural fluctuations. the one difference is the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere right now. in the past, if there were to be a specific amount of carbon dioxide, you can at the very least double it. this is going to trap much more heat than normal, and guess what: the carbon dioxide content is just going to increase if you people keep driving your cars without doing anything else.

I've always seen this as a precarious statement by many. Carbon dioxide is an insulator, which people say will trap hit in. That is true, but won't it also limit the amount of heat that comes into the earth? I'm going with Gem on this one, I'm more concerned with the modification of the environment which is causing negative effects upon it. Usually plants absorb the energy coming into the planet, but because we have roads and buildings that reflect the heat, heat reflects off of the surface and back into the aptmosphere. It is all speculation right now and neither of them can be proven.

i have very little else to say on this matter except that i will laugh at you in 30 years when your house is a desert. actually, you might be right in saying that 30 years is too short a figure, but i will get a chance to laugh at you during your lifetime.

My house is a desert? Hmm, from what I have learned, my house is made out of plywood, nails, and some metal here and there. I don't think that will change.

[RedSkunk]

At 6/24/04 10:07 AM, gem1 wrote: Some cars actually emit exaust better than the air that came in.

You're a lunatic.

[WorldEmperor]

Face it, Canada is just more responsible with the environment. We also rule.

[Cally]

At 6/24/04 12:16 PM, Etonboy wrote:
Is that the MOT? I dunno I'm to dense sometimes, my car (Early eighties red metro a.k.a embarresment mobile) failed that miserably my old man was well angry because he wanted me to pass before it MOT came up, though I'm a such a bad driver I had no chance sohe had to fork out half of what the car was worth to get it fixed. : D

It's the MOT, yes. Metros aren't too bad, I had one until about six months ago, had to upgrade because it was a three-door, and I was doing my back in reaching for the baby's seat. Admittedly it was a newer one, 1990, it had the rover engine but still had the austin shape, parts are dirt cheap on them. I gave it to my little brother to learn in, I wouldn't have made any money back if I'd sold it. My first car, a VW Polo, died a dramatic death in a breakers yard when it's MOT failure slip was handed to us!