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At 12/24/14 11:24 AM, Sirbrickrock wrote: the Cop said mistakes were made and didn't turn on the bodycam he was issued, and he didn't use his Tazer he had.

I'm so fucking shocked...

They're just creating more martyrs. At this point it doesn't matter if the civilian was armed or not; if the police shoot, then they will be seen as the bad guys. They should wall off Ferguson so the chaos doesn't leak into nearby cities and just let the whole place burn.

At 12/24/14 12:22 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: He pointed a gun at the cops. That's going to get you shot regardless of age or ethnicity.

Here's an idea. Instead of going around screaming "fuck the police," how about people STOP BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW?

Check Your Privilege.

At 12/24/14 11:45 AM, Amaranthus wrote: Do all American black people have a hivemind or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngLB6pUpFmU

They are in league with a villain, that's for certain.

At 12/24/14 04:00 AM, StrapOnFetus wrote: unarmed black man

no joke, even though I've been hearing the term "unarmed black male" for the last forever, this is what entered my mind when I read it this time
emphasis on the "unarmed"

At 12/24/14 01:13 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 12/24/14 04:00 AM, StrapOnFetus wrote: unarmed black man

no joke, even though I've been hearing the term "unarmed black male" for the last forever, this is what entered my mind when I read it this time
emphasis on the "unarmed"

It is getting pretty cliche though.

Still real police brutality exists. An unarmed black guy was shot dead on New Years day 2009 on a train station one hour away from where I live, in Oakland. He was arrested after allegedly fighting on a train and then placed on the ground drunk and distraught and was shot once. The cop said he mistook his gun for a tAser. The cop was prosecuted for murder two and was found guilty of manslaughter. He received 1-2 years of prison for the guy's death. The police department and city also settled a $1.5 million lawsuit and rightfully so.

At 12/24/14 12:22 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: He pointed a gun at the cops. That's going to get you shot regardless of age or ethnicity.

Here's an idea. Instead of going around screaming "fuck the police," how about people STOP BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW?

Yeah, some of these cases are just so ridiculous they shouldn't make the news. All the media is doing is encouraging more rioting.

Follow these easy tips and you'll be fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ

At 12/24/14 12:24 PM, Chdonga wrote: They're just creating more martyrs. At this point it doesn't matter if the civilian was armed or not; if the police shoot, then they will be seen as the bad guys. They should wall off Ferguson so the chaos doesn't leak into nearby cities and just let the whole place burn.

So what should the police do? Let themselves get shot?

At 12/24/14 11:47 AM, Monster-64 wrote: St Louis police have released a surveillance video of the final seconds before a black teenager was shot on Tuesday night, saying it shows the moment when the teen raised and pointed a handgun at the officer, who then killed him.

Good riddance to the gang banger. He's an idiot.
EDIT: Here's the article.

Instead of taking a damning quote from the article, take the absolute one. " At the end of the video the teen with the dark pants appears to hold up his hand and point towards the officer just feet away. According to police, he was holding a 9mm handgun which was recovered at the scene, with its serial number defaced."

Also, nice job just randomly calling him and gang banger and idiot. You're further proving your ignorance.

At 12/24/14 11:52 AM, Zachary wrote: Here is the security footage
edit: 1:38 you can see him point the gun at the officer. I do not think this matters to the people protesting earlier though, as they have already chosen a side.

At 12/24/14 12:22 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: He pointed a gun at the cops. That's going to get you shot regardless of age or ethnicity.

Bullshit. You can't see anything in that video. You see him pointing at the police officer. This could be a gun, but this could just as easily not be a gun. The footage isn't clear enough to concluded it.

"Bu-bu-but the police officers said..." Right. The same police that "just happened" not to have his personal surveillance camera on. The same police that tampered with a lot of evidence in the Brown trail. The same police that are under a lot of shit and fire so they have to find ways to save their asses.

Before you guys have anything else to say to me, please tell me why the surveiliance video just happens to stop and freeze at the time Martin pointed. Why did they stop the footage there? Surely having a couple more frames could have appeased the public a little more. They stopped as soon as he pointed which doesn't make sense. If it really was a gun, the police would've shot immediately and taken care of Martin. So, if it was a gun, why stop there? Them taking care of him immediately after the point wouldv'e shut the people up.

That is, unless it wasn't a gun and if Martin just happened to point during the conversation, but they just used that point of the video to their advantage. It screams suspicious them stopping there. So far, the police are the only ones claiming he had the gun. Sure, witnesses lie, especially in an area with such tension between the police and the citizens, but if the witnesses are capable of lying, why aren't the people with more to loose capable of lying too?

At 12/24/14 11:52 AM, TailsPrower wrote: What is it with black kids pointing guns at people and getting themselves shot?

Why are white people profiling black people into being thugs and criminals? Mind you, all of these issues started with a police officer just assuming a black guy was just doing something wrong.

At 12/24/14 11:45 AM, Amaranthus wrote: Do all American black people have a hivemind or something?

No, it's just frustrating and sickening to be a group of people who are constantly being picked on and called thugs, gangbangers and labeled as agressive just because of our skin tone. White Americans put us in a group and basically compare us to uncivilied monkeies. If their just going to shove us in a group, and judge us for what we can't control, then it's our right to band together and to prove them opposite. Unfortunately, with any group of people, there are bad apples that don't go about the right way of doing things. It happens, but blacks are hardly the blame for these situations.

At 12/24/14 02:56 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 12/24/14 12:24 PM, Chdonga wrote: They're just creating more martyrs. At this point it doesn't matter if the civilian was armed or not; if the police shoot, then they will be seen as the bad guys. They should wall off Ferguson so the chaos doesn't leak into nearby cities and just let the whole place burn.

So what should the police do? Let themselves get shot?

They should protect the innocent civilians and avoid as much conflict with rioters as possible. Equip them with riot shields and protective gear. If they absolutely need guns to defend themselves, they should be supplied only with nonlethal ammo.

At 12/24/14 04:00 PM, Chdonga wrote:

They should protect the innocent civilians and avoid as much conflict with rioters as possible. Equip them with riot shields and protective gear. If they absolutely need guns to defend themselves, they should be supplied only with nonlethal ammo.

You do realize that if the situation gets out of hand, non-lethal ammunition may not work out in the long term? Knowing they won't get killed, there are people who may try something to get close to the police if not trying to shoot them with lethal ammunition?

At 12/24/14 04:04 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 12/24/14 04:00 PM, Chdonga wrote:

They should protect the innocent civilians and avoid as much conflict with rioters as possible. Equip them with riot shields and protective gear. If they absolutely need guns to defend themselves, they should be supplied only with nonlethal ammo.

You do realize that if the situation gets out of hand, non-lethal ammunition may not work out in the long term? Knowing they won't get killed, there are people who may try something to get close to the police if not trying to shoot them with lethal ammunition?

Just because it's nonlethal doesn't mean it can't hurt someone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_bullet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh9U0Efc_l0
Rubber bullets should be able to subdue an unruly rioter just as efficiently as lethal ammo. The risk of injury is still there.

They need to stop killing people. C'mon cops.

At 12/24/14 04:29 PM, Chdonga wrote:
Rubber bullets should be able to subdue an unruly rioter just as efficiently as lethal ammo. The risk of injury is still there.

Except what would happen if someone complains about injuries caused by the nonlethal ammo? It still wouldn't exactly stop those people to still try to come after the police, it's not as simple as you think.

At 12/24/14 03:34 PM, Zachary wrote: Yeah, but they found a gun on him.

As a police department already under the scrutiny of the public, they have every reason in the world to plant a gun. It saves them any trouble that they're already facing from the public.

So it is safe to say, that the object he was pointing at the officer was that gun.

No it's not.

So if we look at the evidence lets see what we have:

- a video of him pointing SOMETHING at an officer

SOMETHING doesn't automatically mean a gun. It could have easily been a form of identification which police do ask for.

- a gun found on him

Like I said, planting a gun saves their asses.

- a criminal history

Which has nothing to do at all with the current situation.

It is safe to say, that he did point a gun at this officer.

It's still not.

And before you try to dismiss his criminal history

Which has nothing to do with the current situation.

with "but police have planted shit on people before/killed people unjustly", this particular police officer is not those police officers.

SO WHAT? If this particular one hasn't done it before (which I'd like proof of please), that doesn't leave out the possibility that his associates in the department saved his ass by planting a gun. "Brothers in arms" after all. (More like planting arms)

His criminal past is HIS and his alone.

And has nothing to do with anything.

Is it possible that a gun was planted on him? Absolutely. Is it likely? Not a chance.

Why? Because you say so? Your logic is barely holding up.

Do you honestly think this cop just went out and decided to kill a person and then plant a gun on him? Especially when tensions are so high? THAT is what makes no sense.

No, it makes PERFECT sense. It saves their asses and protects them from explaining why they shot an unarmed black man because he "looked like he was another robbery suspect."

Even when fingerprints and shit come out on the gun, people like you will be whining about how the police are at fault for this and how they messed with the evidence or some other conspiracy.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. There's nothing wrong with that. But right now, that doesn't look like the case.

Also, the video stops and freezes so you don't see someone get shot. It makes complete sense that they wouldn't release the part where the guy takes a bullet, even if it is hard to tell what happens.

No, it does not. It would be easier on the department and would give them much less scrutiny by the public if they are completely transparent. There has been plenty of police footage realized where people have died on camera. Them not being totally transparent makes them look as though they have something to hide, which is why there has been so much of an uproar in the first place.

At 12/24/14 03:35 PM, TailsPrower wrote: Waving a gun or something that looks like a gun at people and/or police will lead usually to that assumption.

Waving a gun is justifiable and you should be shot. Something like a gun doesn't justify a shooting. But because I'm black, me pulling something out my pocket is automatically a gun?

I'd also like to know why you made black kids plural because even if this case is proven true (which it hasn't at this point) this is the FIRST time a black guy has had a weapon. In all the other recent police on black shootings, none of the black guys had a gun. Sooooo, it makes you look ignorant as hell saying that "black kids" are just going around pulling guns on people. It's hurtful that you are generalizing a group of people but aren't even generalizing right.

And don't use that dry face because what you said in the first post was even more asinine.

I am just going to back out of this discussion completely. Clearly people are emotional and I do not want to spend my Christmas debating things and reading complete speculation.

At 12/24/14 05:33 PM, Zachary wrote: I am just going to back out of this discussion completely. Clearly people are emotional and I do not want to spend my Christmas debating things and reading complete speculation.

This is quite possibly the smartest thing I've read all day.

At 12/24/14 05:26 PM, TailsPrower wrote:

Not sure if trolling or just incredibly dense. Are you really this ignorant of the real world? I mean, lol seriously?

I'm lowering myself to your level of ignorance.

I get grouped with negative stereotypes all the the time and I give no fucks. Welcome to the internet. Get the fuck over it.

OVER THE INTERNET. Congratulations. When getting grouped into negative stereotypes has the potential for you to not be able to get a job, not be able to get into go schools and have the potential for you to be killed, then I'd get over it.

umadbro :3

Nah, sad that you don't see the weight of this situation or the weight of your ignorance.

I don't know why either side is so keen on turning this into a 'good cops' vs 'bad cops'.

The problem is not a problem with the individual cops, it is a systemic problem that involves everyone from lawmakers to police training to command and control down to the patrol officer. The laws encourage and incentivize police to target certain(disproportionately black) communities for aggressive policing, the training and command structures of the police departments teach police officers to fear these neighborhoods and treat the citizens and inhabitants as enemies.

There is a reason the statistics for black officers is not substantially different for white officers, the problem is systemic, it's not a case of bad cops in the vast majority of cases.

Crucifying individual cops for doing that their training and command structure tells them(because the political structure is coming down on command to appear 'tough on crime') to do is only going to result in no one wanted to be a cop. Just saying.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/12/24/police-officer-in-missouri-shot-killed-man-who-pulled-gun/21120819/

Not sure if it's the latest report but the situation have already gotten out of hand.

Dumbfucks. Dumbfucks everywhere.

Antonio Martin was armed and shot at police when they arrived. Case closed. Move on people.

i guess guns light up then

from this video

At 12/25/14 12:12 PM, Feelbone wrote: i guess guns light up then

from this video

If you had an ounce of sense you would realize the cop had his flashlight out because it was dark. Way to go moron, you are helping perpetuate bullshit.

As seen in the beginning of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxD_TCptFsM