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Real life me is waaaaaay different.

I'm kind of the same.

I'm an awful lot nicer "in real life," and meeting anyone that pisses me off is a lot easier to insult and cause them to feel like a heartless wench than text on a computer screen

At 12/21/14 04:52 PM, Newgaf wrote:

At 12/21/14 03:42 PM, IoTheEternal wrote:

At 12/21/14 03:40 PM, dinopirate23 wrote: i try to stay the same person, but no promises are made when im off my meds

if you are on meds, then that is a "you", and not a you.

you are the being that is simply who you are, without alterations.

Too arbitrary to be true. Who are you to determine what is the "alteration" and what is "who you are?" A chemical imbalance may represent an "alteration," which the meds then remove.

I get where you're coming from. It is often said that people become a different person when they, for instance, drink alcohol, but yours was not a sufficient answer.

For instance, again, what if someone experiences a trauma, which affects the way they behave? Is the pre-trauma character the "true them," lost forever, or is the "true them" closer to the actual, here-now character? The same goes for reading a book or following a direction -- anything that changes behavior or alters knowledge. Change does not represent a loss of self, unless all of us are lost.

Back on topic: I'm more or less the same guy in person. I disagree with strong attachments to identity, speaking for the sake of being heard (or typing to be read), and I try not to be rude. However it's nice to be able to proof-read my opinions before spewing them -- which would be wonderful in real life. That's the main difference.

P.S. -- I agree that there must be some colloquially agreed-upon standard, whereby alteration of the brain represents a loss of self. Victims of brain injury, and their families, often experience this. However it's just wrong to tell a person on meds that they are not themself, and we must sometimes excuse the drunk.

It's interesting. As an existentialist I'd like to submit that there is no self to gain or lose; only fortune and chaos.

(warning - existential block of text here - this will go above most peoples heads)

I am also an existentialist- to me all ego senses of self are just handicap avatars that limit the all encompassing whole of divinity that we all are (think choosing to be one colour when you are essentially all colours - white) - basically a god pretending to be retarded so that it can experience a limited life view - something that it as an all encompassing being would otherwise not be able to retard itself down to to witness in a specific lifetime (kind of like a doctor never dumbing itself down to drive a taxi normally, but if he loses his job, might then be forced to drive said taxi and experience a life he otherwise would not choose to)

tl:dr; I see life as god playing every single person, place and thing, and thus since god is perfect, everythnig he plays is a handicapped retarded version of that perfection, because when you're perfect, playing as less than perfect seems entertaining because you'll do things you would otherwise consider yourself above doing. The avatar not realizing it is god just makes it all happen more "naturally".

So in my view, as cruel as it may sound, the you you have chosen to play as is the you you are meant to be, and everything else is an alteration. Sure drugs may make you "normal" - but what if the point of this "handicap" was to NOT experience normality?

In addition, there are many instances where say, being bipolar is actually a result of unresolved issues within you manifesting because you have refused to deal with them. In this case taking medication is BAD because it is band-aid solving the issue while more and more issues mount, like that humourous i love lucy skit where the conveyor belt of chocolates is spitting out too fast for them to sort, and so they start shoving them in their mouths and in their garments to appear "normal".

the body can perfectly take care of itself, and has in the past. Being hospitalized and receiving treatment is one thing - being on anxiety medication is quite another. As a society we seem to think our bodies aren't capable of fixing themselves, when in most cases it is us who are not willing to do the work to repair ourselves.

I'm the same person both online and offline

At 12/21/14 04:40 PM, Piper wrote: OMG Io! You are my favorite moon! ( also priestess of Hera in Argos)

Perhaps in RL I would have said. "Io, huh? You know, that's actually the name of my favorite moon out of our solar system." I usually have a little less energy than I do online, unless I'm really hyper.

RL and Online personality are pretty similar. I like to clown around a lot. I like to make people smile. Sometimes though I can get real quiet, and stray off from the group. Go sit somewhere and watch the wind in the trees, read a book, or watch the people mingle together from afar. Usually someone will find me and come sit with me, and we get to have a real personal and heartfelt conversation.

As for what's inside. Well, I think only those closest to me know what's been going on. And since I've kind of shut myself off from the world these last five years, I'm sure no one really knows me all that well. Oh, well. That'll change eventually.

I have to admit, the responses in this thread have actually restored my faith in the people here somewhat, compared to responses in some of the other threads. Lots of interesting responses.

And yes I am a sexy moon, and priestess of hera, and also, for any that play D&D/read the dragonlance novels, the creator god of all dragons, as well as the high god. I know the creators personally, so the game mythology has a special place in my heart :)

Being a floaty moon is the best though :P

I went through the hermit stage too, it allowed me to focus a lot on self development, and I think I am a better person as a result - but it also taught me to be a BALANCED person - that I came here for fun, and fun I shall have :)

I guess I talk a lot more online. In real life, I don't talk that often unless someone talks to me first.

I'm a silent person and a little bit shy irl.
On the internet, I can be myself and I'm just a better writer than talker.
Writing a message instead of talking is just easier because you don't have to worry that the person didn't understand what you said etc.

Of course I'm trying my best to be as fun in person as I am on the internet hahahah :U

I used to be a badass mofo on the internet and a sucker in real life.

Now the roles have been switched!

At 12/21/14 09:45 PM, Newgaf wrote:

At 12/21/14 08:44 PM, IoTheEternal wrote: So in my view, as cruel as it may sound, the you you have chosen to play as is the you you are meant to be, and everything else is an alteration. Sure drugs may make you "normal" - but what if the point of this "handicap" was to NOT experience normality?

Where you say "God," I prefer "Nature." I tend to see every living thing as an experiment by Nature upon itself. Or, alternatively, we are just lucky to have achieved consciousness, and there is no difference between life and, say, the movement of comets. All is governed by the laws of physics. Just so you know where I might be coming from.

And again, I get where you're coming from, but I don't think God or Nature can only be what it's "meant to be" (veeery dangerous choice of words for an existentialist) by being what you are defining, which is "straight-edge." Perhaps Nature wanted to see what would happen, for example, if a piece of itself were put on a planet occupied by magical mind-altering flowers, i.e. marijuana. In your own words, assuming one smokes, what if the point was to NOT experience normality?

And I could nit-pick, saying that certain foods and beverages cause stages of elation and depression, to the extent that it is impossible to define what God "meant" for one to be.

welcome to existentialism debate - the truth is we are both correct - in the perceptions that work for us. :)

we could argue it forever though :P

and if god is everything, then god is also nature.. so it's like a truth that expands the more you learn - to you your truth is correct, to me it is part of mine, and mine is expanded

and one can argue that the mind altering flowers are cheating at what meditation would normally do for a person, once again handicapping them to not work for themselves, while slowly distributing wastes in the body and dumbing them down and lowering their concentration levels.

You choose to see it as a path to betterment, I choose to see it as a handicap to ones own self enlightenment, achievable on their own, and that is where the truth changes based on perception.

I'm pretty much the same , unfortunately that same can't be said about everyone. They know who they are, with their stolen personalities.

At 12/21/14 10:49 PM, Newgaf wrote:

At 12/21/14 09:54 PM, IoTheEternal wrote: and one can argue that the mind altering flowers are cheating at what meditation would normally do for a person, once again handicapping them to not work for themselves, while slowly distributing wastes in the body and dumbing them down and lowering their concentration levels.

Trust me as one who has tried both -- meditation and marijuana are NOT the same thing. Heart palpitations and food cravings are nothing like selflessness. It's true, though, that THC might lead your thoughts down some... interesting roads, that you may not have otherwise stumbled upon. "Cheating?" Heck, you can't cheat life. You can have coffee in the morning to boost your energy, or drink an energy drink -- is that cheating?

I really don't have the answers, but again, I don't see the point of being straight-edge, especially within the parameters of this conversation. It seems to me, that substance experimentation is just as natural, good, and right as abstinence. In both cases, the subject simply wants to see what their experience would be like, given a certain set of self-imposed circumstances.

I will disagree with you up and down, however, that experimentation, or the original point -- taking meds, automatically sullys or invalidates one's experience. You, for instance, have probably contracted at least one life-threatening disease within your lifetime, and survived by taking dirty, abnormal pills. Who are you, to rob yourself of that all-enlightening experience, of death?

You choose to see it as a path to betterment, I choose to see it as a handicap to ones own self enlightenment, achievable on their own, and that is where the truth changes based on perception.

I don't see it as a path to betterment; everyone's lives are too different for me to prescribe any species-wide course of action. I generally believe that people should think for themselves.

And you're right -- it can be a handicap. Totally. But, automatically? I think you are speaking on behalf of too many people whom you haven't met.

Tl;dr -- Taking meds or experimenting with substances does not automatically make you not you, which is not to say that they can't.

I am not speaking for anyone - I am speaking for myself, and how I see it. Everyone else is free to see it how they want. I have observed the effects of pot long term on people, and there IS an accumulative effect. You say there is no harm in trying is just as natural as abstinance, but a lot of these substances harm you, so there IS harm in that aspect.

as for the coffee and energy drink? Yeah it can be cheating, because you are using them instead of getting enough rest to not need them in the morning - you are hurting yourself for the sake of convenience, and laziness and that can be seen as cheating

or it can be seen the way you see it. The thing here is there is no ONE answer - there is an answer that fits your lens of how you see the world. The responses you give reflect how you see it, and the responses I give how I see it, and you did say you believe people should think for themselves, and that is exactly what each of us are doing, and thus we have a right to agree on some of each others points, but to ultimately be happy in the way each other sees the world.

Granted I have taken stuff to make me not die, but I have not taken meds to alter my mindset. So I suppose what we can conclude from this is I am not against life saving drugs, but I AM against MIND altering drugs that are not given due to brain trauma etc, and are instead given to people who don't want to deal with their own problems - I am a firm believer of dealing with your problems and not having a band-aid solution.

so good discussion :)

I'm hardly different in real life. I don't speak as long windedly as I type though.

At 12/21/14 11:42 PM, WaveTwister wrote: In real life, I'm a prick that can't keep cool under pressure. Where as on the web, I act like I'm a down-to-earth, witty type of fellow.

I tend to take all the assets I don' have, then I act like I have those online.

I'm definitely more chatty on the net.. although if I know you irl, I can be pretty chatty too, but for the most part I'm quiet. Irl if someone interrupts me I'll shut up, not so much online.

At 12/22/14 12:45 AM, WaveTwister wrote:

At 12/22/14 12:40 AM, IoTheEternal wrote:

At 12/21/14 11:42 PM, WaveTwister wrote: In real life, I'm a prick that can't keep cool under pressure. Where as on the web, I act like I'm a down-to-earth, witty type of fellow.

I tend to take all the assets I don' have, then I act like I have those online.

I'm definitely more chatty on the net.. although if I know you irl, I can be pretty chatty too, but for the most part I'm quiet. Irl if someone interrupts me I'll shut up, not so much online.

If I'm in that situation in real-life, I tend to bite back quickly and fiercely. Where as online, I will look around, acquire some ammo, then come back with some shit for my defense.

I tend to be much more confident online as I have time to think - I am more securely established and I don't take no shit :P

I still have to work on tact though.. I tend to value honesty above all else. I don't ever try to be cruel, but I do say it as it is.

well.. sometimes it might be construed as mean, but those are mostly just for the luls, like racist jokes..

At 12/21/14 03:40 PM, IoTheEternal wrote: in your own personal experience, how does the real life you differ from the persona you wear on the internet?

Just curious.

I am a lot more preachy and annoying on the internet.

At 12/22/14 12:53 AM, WaveTwister wrote:

At 12/22/14 12:48 AM, IoTheEternal wrote:
I tend to be much more confident online as I have time to think - I am more securely established and I don't take no shit :P

I still have to work on tact though.. I tend to value honesty above all else. I don't ever try to be cruel, but I do say it as it is.

You have some redeeming qualities friend. It's hard to find other people who appreciate honesty.

Also, I agree. I hate being mean in real-life, but then again I hate being walked on. Hard to balance how to react. But online, I simply just don't care...you more then likely haven't met the person before, nor will you ever meet them again (for the most part).

that is is man, that it is. Everyone likes the IDEA of honesty, but most people change their minds when its aimed at them and they don't like the result.

I had to develop a thick skin in life so it's gotten a bit easier for me in that regard.

I'm not as talkative in person. That's probably the only difference. People might interpret that as either shyness or "strong and silent" but in truth I just don't have anything I care to say to a lot of people, and so I don't. There isn't a positive conversation I can fathom with some people, so why bother conversing with them at all? Let them be their closed-minded bigoted ignorant selves, because that's not going to change anytime soon if at all, and I'll just leave them to their own devices unless they breach personal space or something.

One of the best things that can happen is when some of the older generations finally kick the bucket. One of the worst things that could happen would be for them to get indefinite life extension. It's actually a good thing that people have an expiration date and that shouldn't change -- keeps at least some tyranny at bay and ensures long-entrenched "values" at least have an opportunity to evolve or be replaced given enough time and the passing of generations. Older generations shouldn't forever "lord over" everyone else, which is exactly what would happen given whichever first generation gets an indefinite life extension.

Sure, on an individual level, it's sad when a loved one dies, but on the larger scale it's actually a good thing people die, at least eventually, because it keeps things fresh. There's no rush and people can live out long lives, but they shouldn't get immortality on earth. That would result in only tyranny and permanent strong-arming of whatever "values" that exact generation held, enforced over all others. That's a dystopia.

I have more time to think online and I still say dumb shit.

I'm more open on the net than offline. I say stuff more careful in real life. But on here I just spill things out freely without remorse.

I do make a solid effort to be genuine as possible here. Even when I'll make the occasional parody threads, or say something sarcastic thats out of character, thats me full-blown...but the difference is, I have time to think about what I say in one burst. I have the luxury of that neat little edit function now, too....lol... the unpublished post box so I can tweak my wording here and there before hitting "POST"... the luxury of time to sit back and think of a synonym to a word that has more pizzazz to it, y'know? Ah! And spell-check! Thats nice. I wouldn't have known that "pizzazz" was pretty much "pizza" with two extra "Z's", but because of that observation, I think I'll never misspell pizaz ever again....sitting down to think about my post before I post it makes me appear to be much smarter than I really are!

I also don't try to dominate the conversation with people unless there's a story I'm trying to share, so in real life I try to keep it brief and to the point so whoever I'm speaking to can lend input, y'know? Its an awful feeling getting interrupted or cutoff, or waiting for someone to shut up for a second so you can get a word in edge-wise, and I try to be perceptive to visual cues of that in conversation. I honestly hope thats normal, because thats just the polite thing to do...its the RIGHT thing to do, IMHO.

So the real-me probably comes off as a bit more reserved than how I might seem online. I can write a goddamned novel on here, and you'll patiently read it as if it was a completely unbroken statement...but in my head, I'm saying this just how I would really talk, so in my mind, I'm constantly "tl:dr" or monologuing...I guess the real me has some self-critical social anxiety that needs to be flattened out somehow, but maybe thats normal... Also I'll sing songs to you if I'm in a good mood, and I'll do a lil dance...ESPECIALLY if I've been drinking. <3

If I talk about heavy shit, I mean it. If I talk about respecting you or liking you, I'm telling the truth. If I've made it clear that you annoy me or I don't like you, know that I don't dwell on it or hold onto it for very long, UNLESS you're an unabashed piece of shit...either way, if you're in a negative context to me, I'm more forgiving online, a little more receptive to the idea of you changing my mind about you....

...but if I don't like someone or lost respect of someone in real life, that relationship atrophies quickly. I make the effort, or if appropriately a lack-thereof, to have nothing to do with them. I don't have time for it.

yes I love the edit and spellcheck function - I can fix things or add more things or condense my posts if others have responded since..

I find I can be more free to be myself online.. just say whatever, without worrying about how things will be interpreted.

At 12/22/14 05:44 AM, Hoodie wrote: I have more time to think online and I still say dumb shit.

Somebody said you changed your name, who were you originally?

Dope.on the internet.

Pretty much the same guy but with some minor differences, I guess.

I'm actually more crazy IRL I just hold back a little so I don't get banned so much