At 11/16/14 11:10 PM, malfunction19 wrote:
At 11/16/14 11:07 PM, JRob wrote:
i understand japan, as it does not have a variety in climates, but why america? it is a huge region containing just about any natural and unnatural habitat you can fathom and containing almost any natural animal you can imagine, couple that with an english speaking people and alot of personal freedom and i dont see a reason not to live there, i have a flag as my profile pic for a reason and im not even american.
At 11/16/14 11:02 PM, BumFodder wrote:
anywhere but japan and americaCome to America
your hobbies is (are) illegal you know... not that any other country on earth i'm aware of is any better.. there are always dumb laws.
we'd all be better off if no society on earth thought punishment equates to justice. prevention of indesirable actions and forgiveness for the attempt are all we need. oh and codes of conduct to take the place of the laws. i'm not so ignorant that i'd condemn the world to pure anarchy.
so really, if this were another "what country do you like best" thread, which it's not, i'd have to go with a micro-nation i intend to build at some point in the future. havent decided on a name yet.
even rapture had a criminal vengeance system, and it was a fictitious "utopia". probably why it failed. if they had just had the sense not to let fontaine into their country in the first place, or exile him if that couldnt be helped, their downfall could have been avoided. not under andrew ryan's leadership of course, since he never believed in altruism.. but it could have.
they'd probably wind up going to war with the rest of the world instead as a result of them dumping fontaine back on their doorstep, but they'd still be around to do it. and with their greater scientific ingenuity, they'd at least make an admirable last stand instead of falling prey to adam madness. that is, assuming suchong wouldnt have done what he did with or without the pressure from fontaine.
then he'd have to go too.
not that theyd be a true utopia by any means even then, since money also existed there. business should only exist to produce and hone the skills of society. not for profit.
one could make the case that exile is a form of punishment i suppose but.. gotta keep the irrational segregated from those who dont wish to be harmed by them somehow. commiting fontaine to a mental health facility may be a better choice i suppose. assuming rapture got around their "no fda controlling our med market" bias. otherwise they might just make matters worse.
still, if they eliminated the money, there wouldnt be a need to cut costs since everything would be free to produce. a true utopia is self-sufficient down to the last individual within it's society, and has no need for money.
anyhow, i suppose if you werent going to stay long enough to even be seen by a native of a country, you could get away with just visiting anywhere. but there are just some places that toss you in prison for gesticulating in a way they dont like, and america unfortunately is occasionally one of them. i hate my country.